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post #42841 of 48312
I misread the post. I thought it was the crystal with the water spots and I am not sure if they can clean those or it is a dial replacement. It is not an easy call to swap out the dial since it's no longer original but I would think it would have to go to an RSC for those parts.
post #42842 of 48312
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Originally Posted by scottcw View Post

I picked up my 1965 Datejust last week from the overhaul prompted by water getting inside. It is running fine, but I have a couple of questions.

First, the date wheel now has rust spots. I asked about it when I picked it up and was told I would have to find a replacement. Is it correct that a repair/service center can't remove rust from a date wheel?

Also, the dial has water spots visible to the naked eye. Should I expect those to have been cleaned up during service or is that impossible? Is my only option a replacement dial if the spots bother me?

If it's from 1965 the service centre may not want to just replace bits.

I am sure they could replace parts with modern equivalents but that would devalue the watch.
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Originally Posted by scottcw View Post

I picked up my 1965 Datejust last week from the overhaul prompted by water getting inside. It is running fine, but I have a couple of questions.

First, the date wheel now has rust spots. I asked about it when I picked it up and was told I would have to find a replacement. Is it correct that a repair/service center can't remove rust from a date wheel?

Also, the dial has water spots visible to the naked eye. Should I expect those to have been cleaned up during service or is that impossible? Is my only option a replacement dial if the spots bother me?

I suppose technically it depends on what one defines as service vs restoration.  To me a service/overhaul is basically opening the watch, disassembling, cleaning, lubricating, reassembling the movement, replacing worn gaskets and reassembling the watch.  You already knew the crystal was cracked, so I presume they had your authority to replace that.  However, to do more than what I mentioned, I would presume that they would need to contact you with an estimate for the cost of other optional items to be replaced, and or the additional labor required if refinishing.  

 

Its possible that the rust already stained the dial and would not simple wipe away. Its possible that without actually replacing/refinishing the dial and date wheel there was nothing more they could do. Its something only a person who worked on the watch could tell you. However, I've seen lots of older dials that have some water spots here and there, so I think often unless its really bad people just live with it.  Refinishing the dial is a delicate job, and it can improve the cosmetics of a watch, but it does lower the value as does replacing the dial.   Your third party service center, and even Rolex itself might not have a replacement dial/date wheel for a 50 year old watch.  I don't think most companies expected their watches to last that long and to need a stock of parts for items that old.  Although, many companies will work on watches regardless of age, most do not guarantee a stock of parts for watches that have been out of production for say 20-30 years or me.  Also, vintage dials from manufacturers are a tricky thing these days as they are not allowed to sell dials with tritium (at least in the US), so if they had a dial for your watch it would be a newer one with superluminova. 

 

You may have to search the on line to look for a NOS replacement dial & date wheel if you go that route, or you could get them refinished.  Those are your only options other than just living with it the spots. Wishing you luck on whatever you decide.   

 

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I misread the post. I thought it was the crystal with the water spots and I am not sure if they can clean those or it is a dial replacement. It is not an easy call to swap out the dial since it's no longer original but I would think it would have to go to an RSC for those parts.

 

Even RSC may not have the parts with a watch that is 50 years old.  In addition, if the dial had tritium, they can't replace it with a 50 year old tritium dial (at least not in the US).  It would be a newer service dial with superluminova.  As others pointed out, most options to hurt the originality of the watch and therefore its value, however in its current state its value is also compromised.  Which is the most damaging to the watch's value is tough to say. 

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If it's from 1965 the service centre may not want to just replace bits.

I am sure they could replace parts with modern equivalents but that would devalue the watch.

I'm not sure how RSC would look at just replacing parts on a watch serviced by someone else.  One would have to contact them to find out.  

 

Yes, refinishing the dial or a modern replacement hurts the value...although in its compromised state its value is already hurt.  I would find it a difficult position to be in if I were the OP.  

post #42844 of 48312
Thanks all, I came to the conclusion that they did the best they could to get it running while retaining originality. I just wanted confirmation.

I will see if I can find a period correct replacement dial and date wheel, but live with the water damage in the meantime. Resale value is not an issue as it is a birth year watch that I will keep. I would like it as clean as possible if I can find a replacement dial and/or date wheel.
post #42845 of 48312
Hope you find them. Can you post a pic?
post #42846 of 48312
+1 - love seeing old-timers. You may learn to love the imperfections and see it as part of the watch's history.
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I'm not sure how RSC would look at just replacing parts on a watch serviced by someone else.  One would have to contact them to find out.  

 

Yes, refinishing the dial or a modern replacement hurts the value...although in its compromised state its value is already hurt.  I would find it a difficult position to be in if I were the OP.

 

I am not a 100% sure but its my understanding that as long as Original Rolex parts have been used RSC will work on the watch.

 

They will take any modifications you have made and return them to factory standard for example if you had a Normal Sub which you had replaced the Black Dial with the Green dial, if you asked RSC to service it they would replace it back to Black Bezel.

 

I think if your watch is vintage and the value is in the fact it is vintage most people would go independent as there have been cases of Rolex accidentally replacing Vintage parts with new ones.

 

No offence to the OP but it probably wont affect the value so much on his watch, but can you imagine if at Service the dial was replaced on a Comex or Explorer 2 with the spiderweb cracking how much that would devalue the watch.


Edited by cs12 - 4/14/15 at 4:55pm
post #42848 of 48312
Good morning, gents. My latest, and proudest, acquisition...


Edited by TheWraith - 4/14/15 at 7:04pm
post #42849 of 48312
CMT, that JLC looks superb.
post #42850 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Dachshund View Post

+1 - love seeing old-timers. You may learn to love the imperfections and see it as part of the watch's history.

Here's a picture. You can see the rust on the date wheel. It is interesting that the water spots on the dial are more visible to the naked eye than in this picture. I get the whole "character" thing with vintage watches, but all the rust and water spots do is make me want to kick myself for not taking it off.

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We'll Rolex certainly seems to have gotten it right half a century ago. Last pilot flew a plain I was on was sporting a 16710 in Coke.

True story.
exactly - and doubt it is considered a "pilot watch" and doubt Rolex were targeting pilots.

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I've seen pilots wear GMTs and Brietlings (but not the model with the digital read out).  I also knew pilot(watch enthusiast) who used to fly intercontinental flights and he used to wear a Rolex Oysterquartz models, stating he wanted they most accurate and durable watch they made.  Back in the day it was one of the first Rolex models where the entire line up (even steel models) had sapphire crystals, solid bracelet links, and it was more anti-magnetic than a Milgauss.  A friend who was a car/airplane hobbyist with pilot's license and a small plane (seated 8 IIRC), wore Porsche Design watches (Titan Chronograph and the Compass watch) when they were made by IWC.  I've never seen a pilot wearing an IWC pilot watch.   
A GMT / multi time zone model is probably the most a pilot would be after - assuming they even want a "pilot watch". I've never seen anyone use the chronograph on their watch. Ever.

Very rare on high end watches these days, but believe it or not, an alarm function would be handy (but not a deal breaker). What would be great would be a multi time zone watch that the buyer gets to name the cities / airports on the watch as a custom design. It would be a nice touch (I don't go to Vancouver much, so would prefer to have LAX on my watch, or Hong Kong over Singapore).
post #42852 of 48312
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Originally Posted by cs12 View Post
 

 

I am not a 100% sure but its my understanding that as long as Original Rolex parts have been used RSC will work on the watch.

 

They will take any modifications you have made and return them to factory standard for example if you had a Normal Sub which you had replaced the Black Dial with the Green dial, if you asked RSC to service it they would replace it back to Black Bezel.

Yes, they will work on any Rolex as long as it has original Rolex parts and has not been modified (which includes not modifying it to use parts from another Rolex model).  I may not have been clear enough.  I wasn't saying that they won't service a watch serviced by someone else, I was saying I don't know if they would agree to simply replace the dial and date wheel without servicing it themselves, or if they would insist on servicing it themselves, as anything they work on carries a 2 year warranty.  If something wasn't done correctly by the independent guy, they don't want to be blamed if something goes wrong after they open it when part of the problem could be the last guy that worked on it.  

post #42853 of 48312
I suppose Pan Am was in the waffle business...
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I suppose Pan Am was in the waffle business...

+1

http://www.clockmaker.com.au/articles/gmtmasterII.html
post #42855 of 48312
Lol to all the pilot watch comments...

High end watch companies used to corner the market on features valued in aviation. That all changed with electronic watches as these extra functions can now be had through programming rather than mechanical features. So now high end "pilot watches" are flown mainly by desk jockeys...
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