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I brought this one up several pages back and noted that I quite liked it. All the TWAT disapproval in the world hasn't diminished any of my initial reaction to this watch. Heh heh.


I really, really like it. I'd prefer having snoopy only engraved on the case back, but in general, the watch is really attractive. Plus, everything added to the dial has some significance with NASA.

post #42527 of 48312
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+1 brother.

 

 

Omega also tells me that every single Snoopy Speedy is spoken for.  All 1,970 pieces sold out already, at least via the Omega route.  There will probably be some resellers making reservations, with others falling out, but this doesn't come across to me as a watch that will be sitting in the windows of boutiques and ADs.

 



Yes - I expect that the real problem with the Snoopy will be getting hold of one - without paying a steep re-sale premium. I guess we'll see. Do we know the retail price on this?
post #42528 of 48312
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I really, really like it. I'd prefer having snoopy only engraved on the case back, but in general, the watch is really attractive. Plus, everything added to the dial has some significance with NASA.

 

Boom.

 

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+1 brother.

 

 

Omega also tells me that every single Snoopy Speedy is spoken for.  All 1,970 pieces sold out already, at least via the Omega route.  There will probably be some resellers making reservations, with others falling out, but this doesn't come across to me as a watch that will be sitting in the windows of boutiques and ADs.

 

Yes - I expect that the real problem with the Snoopy will be getting hold of one - without paying a steep re-sale premium. I guess we'll see. Do we know the retail price on this?

 

I believe it's USD7,350 (at least here in the US).  The first numbers that came out were quoted in Swiss Francs and was at CHF6,100.  How that translates to USD7,350 is beyond me, but Omega will do what it does.

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Uh oh, late to the party. Plus it's sure to be a boutique only model which means a measly 3% discount.

Not sure if they're limited or not but last time I did my rounds I saw plenty of Dark and Grey side of the moons (which I was told was boutique only as well) on display, so there is some hope yet.

 

Why does everyone have to have a discount to buy something they like?  Buying something over MSRP is one thing but having to have a discount to purchase something is ridiculous.  When spending $10K and it comes down to a 5% discount, I don't think you really want what you are buying.  Just turn around and walk out of whatever the deal is.  Save your $10K.

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Why does everyone have to have a discount to buy something they like?  Buying something over MSRP is one thing but having to have a discount to purchase something is ridiculous.  When spending $10K and it comes down to a 5% discount, I don't think you really want what you are buying.  Just turn around and walk out of whatever the deal is.  Save your $10K.

 



Modern society has been conditioned by marketing to focus on getting deals. Businesses have actually employed psychologists in order to increase our response to sales and promotions, which further reinforces our desire to get something for a "good" price.

Think about it this way: If you buy something for $10k and a week later, you hear someone purchased the same item for $9,500 somewhere else, you will have a psychological reaction. In fact, events like this can have a souring effect on a person's affinity for an item.

On the other hand, sometimes the deal can actually be the driving force behind the purchase, and the item itself is largely immaterial. Business psychology is pretty fascinating.
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Why does everyone have to have a discount to buy something they like?  Buying something over MSRP is one thing but having to have a discount to purchase something is ridiculous.  When spending $10K and it comes down to a 5% discount, I don't think you really want what you are buying.  Just turn around and walk out of whatever the deal is.  Save your $10K.

 



Modern society has been conditioned by marketing to focus on getting deals. Businesses have actually employed psychologists in order to increase our response to sales and promotions, which further reinforces our desire to get something for a "good" price.

Think about it this way: If you buy something for $10k and a week later, you hear someone purchased the same item for $9,500 somewhere else, you will have a psychological reaction. In fact, events like this can have a souring effect on a person's affinity for an item.

On the other hand, sometimes the deal can actually be the driving force behind the purchase, and the item itself is largely immaterial. Business psychology is pretty fascinating.

 

I have read quite a bit about business psychology and behavioral economics and these studies are usually about items less than $100.  I got my BLNR at MSRP which was like $8,950 then Frilly was in some other country at a similar time and found one on sale for the low to mid 8000s.  I didn't really care as what is $500 on a jewelry purchase, not a need, at that price?  If someone gets sad for somehow losing out on $500 when purchasing, again jewelry, for $10K, they are people I do not care for.

 

Hell the worst was some guy trying to nickel and dime me when selling our house last year.  He wanted to argue over fractions of a percent of the selling price and I finally said, take it or leave it and he paid the extra.

 

It also depends on the shopper too.  The Ron Johnson JC Penny didn't do well charging $15 for a shirt and had to change back to the old $20 shirt with a sales price of $15.  

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Why does everyone have to have a discount to buy something they like?  Buying something over MSRP is one thing but having to have a discount to purchase something is ridiculous.  When spending $10K and it comes down to a 5% discount, I don't think you really want what you are buying.  Just turn around and walk out of whatever the deal is.  Save your $10K.

 

While I understand nobody wants to be ripped off, myself included, I agree the discount thing is over emphasized.  

 

Along the same lines, the price isn't always the price.

 

I've bought from ADs, and bought from boutiques.

 

The experience has been much better at the boutiques and I actually got a trip to a golf event from one.  Several others have done drinks or dinner.  Having a night out with fellow watch lovers is worth something.  The upfront cost isn't everything.

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 The Ron Johnson JC Penny didn't do well charging $15 for a shirt and had to change back to the old $20 shirt with a sales price of $15.  

 



^This

I agree with your post and am of a similar opinion that larger purchases tend to suffer less from the "deal" phenomenom I described. Part of that though, is because the marketing of higher end goods is less price driven and more customer experience driven. There is however bleed through from deal messages at the lower end of the spectrum. I know a guy who runs a jewelry business that caters to very high end clients. Most of them dont even ask about pricing when making a purchase, but there are a number of his clients that he knows need something discounted to feel like they've had a good shopping experience.
post #42534 of 48312
Well, in my specific case (since you quoted my post) assuming a watch cost 10k. I could buy it from omega for 9700 (3% discount) and get invited to some super exclusive omega event. Or I could get it from my regular AD at 8500 (15% discount though does vary, 15% is pretty average). I don't get invited to the omega event, but I have 1200 in my pocket to go towards my next purchase. That's pretty real to me.
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Well, in my specific case (since you quoted my post) assuming a watch cost 10k. I could buy it from omega for 9700 (3% discount) and get invited to some super exclusive omega event. Or I could get it from my regular AD at 8500 (15% discount though does vary, 15% is pretty average). I don't get invited to the omega event, but I have 1200 in my pocket to go towards my next purchase. That's pretty real to me.

 

I can agree with that, usually works out better dollar and cents wise through an AD.  I thought in this case the premise was (and I don't think it was entirely specific to you, just that it came up after you were talking discounts in general) people not getting a particular watch they loved because they couldn't get any discount.  Which again, is not what you said. 

post #42536 of 48312
I'm useless with discounts. Reverso, they threw in some engraving - nice touch, icing on the cake. Rolex - no dice. Couple of second-hand purchases - surprisingly, no dice. But if I manage to score 500 or 1,000 off of something that would be nice - I can spend it on something else. If I don't - no big deal - i'll take the watch anyway. It wouldn't be make or break.
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I can agree with that, usually works out better dollar and cents wise through an AD.  I thought in this case the premise was (and I don't think it was entirely specific to you, just that it came up after you were talking discounts in general) people not getting a particular watch they loved because they couldn't get any discount.  Which again, is not what you said. 

Well that was me too I guess. I was talking about the possibility of the new Snoopy Moonwatch being boutique only, and if so the discount would be significantly less than if I were able to get it through my AD. I'm not sure I love it enough to kop (and further I'm supposed to be on a kop hiatus) so this is all a hypothetical discussion at the moment. For all I know they'll be sold out everywhere and I couldn't even get one at MSRP, at which point I will probably move on.
post #42538 of 48312
Agree with Alexandr. Personally I do appreciate the relationships from buying loyalty with an AD, but sometimes it's about numbers. I'd much rather have a few extra grand in the pocket from one AD, as opposed to having the red carpet rolled out for me at another, maybe get a pen or cap but a much much lower discount.

My friend drives a Porshe. A really really nice one. And he was the opposite. He could've shopped around more and maybe got a little more off the asking price, but in this case he prefers the royal treatment he gets everytime he brings the car in for service.. About watches he's the opposite - just wants the best bottom line.
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^ not unwise - during your life, if you run that sort of car, you'll need to lean on your mechanic more than the guy who sold you your watch.
post #42540 of 48312
true that..
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