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I've been looking at watches a lot in the last 12 months, but I am not very good at spotting fakes, even of watches that I am very familiar with. Makes me feel like I'd only buy from a few of the guys online that have the VERY good reputation.
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Alright let me put this out there.

 

I posted a bunch of my dad's watches. I'm a lot younger and I collect with him. 

 

He keeps them all over the house in case somebody tries to rob the house, and some are purposely fake. Those 2 black Subs and the Day Date are the purposely fake ones. I apologize. 

 

Regardless, the remainder are certainly 100% real. I just asked him. You can call me out and I was wrong--but I did believe they were real. 

 

Either way, I was not trying to sell anything or dupe you. I hope you enjoy the rest I post--which are real. 

 

Also, that RO is definitely real. I have another myself (in a different location right now) that I can post a different day as well. 

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Originally Posted by Dillardiv View Post

I've been looking at watches a lot in the last 12 months, but I am not very good at spotting fakes, even of watches that I am very familiar with. Makes me feel like I'd only buy from a few of the guys online that have the VERY good reputation.

That should go w/o saying...
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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post
 

Just got back from holiday in Mexico, and what was waiting for me on my desk?

Congrats on your GMT !!!  Looks great!  I hope you will get many years of use and enjoyment from it.  :cheers:

 

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This is what I most dislike about some fake watch users. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% against fake watches per se (although I could never live with myself owning one), but at least if people could be honest and upfront about it.

 

I mean, I can certainly understand the appeal of owning a replica of a watch that could particularly love but could never afford (the AP RO 15400, in my case). The thing is, if people ask you about their legitimacy, please be honest, you'll get less hate. To me, that's the difference between the guy who truly love the watch but couldn't justify the real deal and the one who's into deception and trying to be someone he clearly isn't.

 

For ethic and moral reasons, I've been against fake watches all of my life, but at one point, I almost caved in for a rep AP RO 15400 (2 factories make some pretty decent rep) but then I didn't, because part of the joy of owning a watch is being proud of it (showing it to my friends and family, on FB, wearing the hell out of it, etc.) which can't be done with a replica; I guess the possibility of being called out and feeling guilty about it is just too much to bear. 

 

In the end, I'm not trying to make the apology of fake watches nor condone their use, but at least, if people wearing fake could be upfront and honest about it, it would tickle me less. 

I didn't see the pix that "Classic" has taken down, so I won't go into that.   

 

Personally, I dislike fakes, homages, replicas or whatever other names people want to give a fake.  I just see them as watches for posers.  There are many watches, cars, and others items that I would love to own, but I don't because they are not within my price range.  I am happy to enjoy them from a distance and admire them when I have a chance to see them at a store/dealer etc.  I don't think buying a fake because I can't afford the real thing is a good excuse for buying a fake.  I don't think purchasing a fake would provide me with the true experience of owning the real thing, so it would be a waste of my time and hard earned money.  Even if it fooled other people, I would know it was a fake and I would feel like a fake.   In addition, many times it took me hard work and saving up to be able to get the watch that I wanted, or it marked a special occasion...so there is something special about finally acquiring these pieces.  One can' t have that feeling of accomplishment with a fake. 

 

I generally feel embarrassed for people wearing fakes.  Often times its a younger guy trying to impress people...but most times the watches don't fit in with the real lifestyle that they lead.  It reminds me a bit of posts where someone "inherits a Potek Filippe Terrabillion" from an uncle, or they found it on a park bench, or got it on ebay for $200", and they post on line  trying to find out how much its worth. If your uncle never had any money chances are its not real, most things left on park benches are left there for a reason, and if you got in on ebay without doing your homework you'll be lucky if its worth half of what you paid for it. 

 

In addition, many fake products are produced/marketed by terrorist or organized crime groups, and to purchase such good indirectly supports criminals who will use the funds they collect to damage or injure innocent people.  So for the sake of looking like I can own a watch that is beyond my means, I could never justify purchasing a fake.  I would gladly own a real Casio, Seiko, Citizen or a real vintage watch that is within my means than a bunch of fake Pateks, APs, Rolex etc.  

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Originally Posted by Classic37 View Post

Alright let me put this out there.

I posted a bunch of my dad's watches. I'm a lot younger and I collect with him. 

He keeps them all over the house in case somebody tries to rob the house, and some are purposely fake. Those 2 black Subs and the Day Date are the purposely fake ones. I apologize. 

Regardless, the remainder are certainly 100% real. I just asked him. You can call me out and I was wrong--but I did believe they were real. 

Either way, I was not trying to sell anything or dupe you. I hope you enjoy the rest I post--which are real. 

Also, that RO is definitely real. I have another myself (in a different location right now) that I can post a different day as well. 


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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Congrats on your GMT !!!  Looks great!  I hope you will get many years of use and enjoyment from it.  cheers.gif

I didn't see the pix that "Classic" has taken down, so I won't go into that.   

Personally, I dislike fakes, homages, replicas or whatever other names people want to give a fake.  I just see them as watches for posers.  There are many watches, cars, and others items that I would love to own, but I don't because they are not within my price range.  I am happy to enjoy them from a distance and admire them when I have a chance to see them at a store/dealer etc.  I don't think buying a fake because I can't afford the real thing is a good excuse for buying a fake.  I don't think purchasing a fake would provide me with the true experience of owning the real thing, so it would be a waste of my time and hard earned money.  Even if it fooled other people, I would know it was a fake and I would feel like a fake.   In addition, many times it took me hard work and saving up to be able to get the watch that I wanted, or it marked a special occasion...so there is something special about finally acquiring these pieces.  One can' t have that feeling of accomplishment with a fake. 

I generally feel embarrassed for people wearing fakes.  Often times its a younger guy trying to impress people...but most times the watches don't fit in with the real lifestyle that they lead.  It reminds me a bit of posts where someone "inherits a Potek Filippe Terrabillion" from an uncle, or they found it on a park bench, or got it on ebay for $200", and they post on line  trying to find out how much its worth. If your uncle never had any money chances are its not real, most things left on park benches are left there for a reason, and if you got in on ebay without doing your homework you'll be lucky if its worth half of what you paid for it. 

In addition, many fake products are produced/marketed by terrorist or organized crime groups, and to purchase such good indirectly supports criminals who will use the funds they collect to damage or injure innocent people.  So for the sake of looking like I can own a watch that is beyond my means, I could never justify purchasing a fake.  I would gladly own a real Casio, Seiko, Citizen or a real vintage watch that is within my means than a bunch of fake Pateks, APs, Rolex etc.  

Good thing a bunch of real Pateks, APs, Rolex is totally within your means.
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Originally Posted by ter1413 View Post

That should go w/o saying...

There are some occasions where maybe a vintage watch is coming from a less ubiquitous seller. I suppose the risks for a vintage being truly fake are lower, but risk for frankenwatches, etc is higher.
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Wowza - loving that Coke.:cheers:

 

 

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I was going to call FAKE on the AP Royal Oak but I think Dino posted something a while ago about old AP RO's.  While the "screws" or whatever are misaligned, they also have the feature of not flat but sort of convex looking.  I think the older RO's had this characteristic.  I am by no means a AP expert though.  

 

The only recent FAKE I would call is on BostonHedonist and he needs to send the GMT to me for further investigation.  I will not return fakes. :lol: 

 

 

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Congrats on your GMT !!!  Looks great!  I hope you will get many years of use and enjoyment from it.  :cheers:

 

 

 

:bigstar: Thanks gents. I am quite pleased with this model. Amazing how well these things hold up! It's a 15-year old watch and, other than some light scratches and grit on the bracelet, looks quite fantastic. But now, I'm off to my watchmaker to get the old girl cleaned up, checked out and verified. Must delay gratification for a few more days.

 

:cheers: 

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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post
 

I was going to call FAKE on the AP Royal Oak but I think Dino posted something a while ago about old AP RO's.  While the "screws" or whatever are misaligned, they also have the feature of not flat but sort of convex looking.  I think the older RO's had this characteristic.  I am by no means a AP expert though.  

I believe that Classic's RO is likely a 14790.  I don't know that model well enough to say whether its real or not.  I will say that when ROs left the factory, the hex bolts were aligned, and were pretty close to flush with the bezel.  The polished surface of the hex bolts can from some angles look slightly convex (bulging a bit upward), but I believe that is merely the light playing tricks on the eyes.  

 

I would never say an old RO is a fake, based simply on the misalignment of hex bolts.  I have seen real RO's with misaligned hex bolts, and that was merely indicative that somewhere in this watch's life it was serviced by an idiot who didn't know what he/she was doing when they reassembled the watch.  It would never have left an official AP service center looking like that.   

 

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Originally Posted by aleksandr View Post


Good thing a bunch of real Pateks, APs, Rolex is totally within your means.

Any of us with one or two nice watches are very lucky.  When I didn't have a nice watch to wear for everyday, I never bought a fake.  My trusty Casio calculator watch got me though several years of schooling.   

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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post

 

:bigstar: Thanks gents. I am quite pleased with this model. Amazing how well these things hold up! It's a 15-year old watch and, other than some light scratches and grit on the bracelet, looks quite fantastic. But now, I'm off to my watchmaker to get the old girl cleaned up, checked out and verified. Must delay gratification for a few more days.

 

:cheers: 

Not sure what you mean by cleaning her up...but unless there are some bad dings, I'd avoid getting it polished.  The more these get polished they tend to lose their original crisp edges and beveling along the lugs.  

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Congrats on your GMT !!!  Looks great!  I hope you will get many years of use and enjoyment from it.  cheers.gif

I didn't see the pix that "Classic" has taken down, so I won't go into that.   

Personally, I dislike fakes, homages, replicas or whatever other names people want to give a fake.  I just see them as watches for posers.  There are many watches, cars, and others items that I would love to own, but I don't because they are not within my price range.  I am happy to enjoy them from a distance and admire them when I have a chance to see them at a store/dealer etc.  I don't think buying a fake because I can't afford the real thing is a good excuse for buying a fake.  I don't think purchasing a fake would provide me with the true experience of owning the real thing, so it would be a waste of my time and hard earned money.  Even if it fooled other people, I would know it was a fake and I would feel like a fake.   In addition, many times it took me hard work and saving up to be able to get the watch that I wanted, or it marked a special occasion...so there is something special about finally acquiring these pieces.  One can' t have that feeling of accomplishment with a fake. 

I generally feel embarrassed for people wearing fakes.  Often times its a younger guy trying to impress people...but most times the watches don't fit in with the real lifestyle that they lead.  It reminds me a bit of posts where someone "inherits a Potek Filippe Terrabillion" from an uncle, or they found it on a park bench, or got it on ebay for $200", and they post on line  trying to find out how much its worth. If your uncle never had any money chances are its not real, most things left on park benches are left there for a reason, and if you got in on ebay without doing your homework you'll be lucky if its worth half of what you paid for it. 

In addition, many fake products are produced/marketed by terrorist or organized crime groups, and to purchase such good indirectly supports criminals who will use the funds they collect to damage or injure innocent people.  So for the sake of looking like I can own a watch that is beyond my means, I could never justify purchasing a fake.  I would gladly own a real Casio, Seiko, Citizen or a real vintage watch that is within my means than a bunch of fake Pateks, APs, Rolex etc.  

Amen! I wish I could have come up with such a nice text to describe how I feel about fakes. Altough I don't care for other people wearing them just as long as they're not trying to pass them off as genuine pieces.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I believe that Classic's RO is likely a 14790.  I don't know that model well enough to say whether its real or not.  I will say that when ROs left the factory, the hex bolts were aligned, and were pretty close to flush with the bezel.  The polished surface of the hex bolts can from some angles look slightly convex (bulging a bit upward), but I believe that is merely the light playing tricks on the eyes.  

I would never say an old RO is a fake, based simply on the misalignment of hex bolts.  I have seen real RO's with misaligned hex bolts, and that was merely indicative that somewhere in this watch's life it was serviced by an idiot who didn't know what he/she was doing when they reassembled the watch.  It would never have left an official AP service center looking like that.   

Any of us with one or two nice watches are very lucky.  When I didn't have a nice watch to wear for everyday, I never bought a fake.  My trusty Casio calculator watch got me though several years of schooling.   

Thank you, as always, for sharing your vast treasure trove of watch trivia.

Also - Casio calculator??! Nerd or geek?
post #41669 of 48312
Clearly I am not good at spotting fakes or older Rolex, cause that Coke looked pretty darn new to me. That is one good looking 15 year old watch.

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bigstar%5B1%5D.gif Thanks gents. I am quite pleased with this model. Amazing how well these things hold up! It's a 15-year old watch and, other than some light scratches and grit on the bracelet, looks quite fantastic. But now, I'm off to my watchmaker to get the old girl cleaned up, checked out and verified. Must delay gratification for a few more days.

cheers.gif  
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Now that I have admitted my mistake, here is another REAL one I wear. I hope you all can enjoy them...still.

 

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