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Originally Posted by Dillardiv View Post

On the topic of IWC pilots- I'm going to the IWC boutique tomorrow after a work meeting (hopefully if my flight up to NYC doesn't get cancelled) and will be eager to try on a Big Pilot just to see what it looks like. I want to like this watch, but it just might be too big. I love the look of the older Mark XV watches too. Portuguese Automatic 5001 is what I'm really hoping to like.

I'm curious when most folks talk about a value proposition, are they talking about MSRP or second hand? I don't think I'll ever be at a point where I'm buying direct from a dealer. Perhaps if I'm making 5x my current pay, it'd be nice to walk into a dealer and just walk on out with a brand new watch, but even then I think I'm always going to be all about trying to get a good deal. I know there are risks to buying second hand, but if you do your homework and buy from the right sellers, it just seems like such a better deal to me. Especially when you're talking about watches that are supposed to last a lifetime. If that's the case, why worry if someone else owned it first? I do understand the appeal of a shiny new watch worn by nobody but you, but you're going to ding your watch up a bit over the course of a lifetime anyway.

What do you guys think?

Now that the novelty of my RG DDII has begun to wear off and I'm wearing other watches, the watch that's getting the second most wrist time is my Big Pilot. I almost traded it last year against the purchase of a YG GMTII, but didn't like the deal so hung onto it--very glad I did. The watch is big and beautiful. I have fairly large wrists and I feel like it works well for me, but it is very much a casual/weekend piece because of its size. You'll just have to try it and see how it works for you.

As far as purchase strategies, I have only ever bought new watches, but have gone both through the AD and through the gray market sellers, for different reasons. The AP and IWC dealer here in town that I used to work wtih has become a big local brand and has not offered good discounts to me in recent years. So in those cases I felt the gray market savings far outweighed the risk of needing warranty work and having the warranty denied (although I was assured by my grey market seller that the warranty would be honored). I bought the DDII through my next door neighbor (who owns an AD here in town) mostly to develop a relationship, and in the end he gave me a great price. As far as used, I'm not necessarily opposed to it but it does require quite a bit more legwork and diligence. You read on the watch forums about movements being swapped, counterfeit links, etc. etc. The price from my gray market source is usually only 1-2k more than a mint, recent pre-owned piece and I'd gladly pay that for the convenience and peace of mind.

Good luck! Let us know what you think of the BP.

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Looking for a slightly sportier watch (office culture doesn't require a suit, but shirt & occasional jacket are daily) which I could also dress down for the summer day. Not a Rolex guy as such, nor never will be (probably get stoned for this...), only Rolex which pushes my buttons is the blue Milgauss. Budget would be 5-7k€ new and discounted, so was looking at JLC as the next quality alternative and bumped into JLC Master Hometime "Aston Martin".

http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/FI/en/watches/master-hometime/162847N

Local AD had one and the Aston wings don't look too prominent, so without an Aston I wouldn't look as a complete tool with this one, plus this can be dressed down with the original Hometime steel bracelet. AD offer was about 12% off, so have to look elsewhere in EU for this also.

Approaching from the other direction, JLC Master Compressor is certainly more sporty and more "off hours" but probably doesn't dress up well with a shirt, so probably Hometime or similar style would work better.

Thoughts / experience on Hometime?
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Good luck! Let us know what you think of the BP.

I will! I plan on visiting a few places and taking plenty of photos of watches that aren't mine on my wrist. I'll be sure to post everything later.
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Originally Posted by Dillardiv View Post

I will! I plan on visiting a few places and taking plenty of photos of watches that aren't mine on my wrist. I'll be sure to post everything later.

I kinda feel bad doing that, especially if I know I have zero intention of buying. I might try them on, but will probably not take a photo.

Except at my regular AD where I know someone and will from time to time visit and say hi. She'll entertain me if she's unoccupied and it's a slow day.
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Originally Posted by aleksandr View Post

If I were to get an IWC Pilot watch I'd probably get this, special edition or not:


Crap picture but it is what I am wearing today - wedding gift from my little sister. The Mark XVII gets some criticism (deserving or not) but I love this watch.

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Beautiful IWCs gentlemen. I am a sure fan of the brand. Great marketing strategy as well

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Originally Posted by kimmo View Post

Looking for a slightly sportier watch (office culture doesn't require a suit, but shirt & occasional jacket are daily) which I could also dress down for the summer day. Not a Rolex guy as such, nor never will be (probably get stoned for this...), only Rolex which pushes my buttons is the blue Milgauss. Budget would be 5-7k€ new and discounted, so was looking at JLC as the next quality alternative and bumped into JLC Master Hometime "Aston Martin".

http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/FI/en/watches/master-hometime/162847N

Local AD had one and the Aston wings don't look too prominent, so without an Aston I wouldn't look as a complete tool with this one, plus this can be dressed down with the original Hometime steel bracelet. AD offer was about 12% off, so have to look elsewhere in EU for this also.

Approaching from the other direction, JLC Master Compressor is certainly more sporty and more "off hours" but probably doesn't dress up well with a shirt, so probably Hometime or similar style would work better.

Thoughts / experience on Hometime?

I love the JLC Hometime. I actually have a mint example of the older, asymmetric version available for sale (see below). If it weren't for my recent acquisition of the JLC perpetual ultrathin, and the fact that my wife bought me a different two-timezone watch and thus would be offended if I wore the Hometime, I would happily keep and enjoy the Hometime. I think the Hometime is a fantastic, flexible sporty/dressy watch.

And if you're interested in second-hand, let me know.
Edited by gopherblue - 3/5/15 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
 

What's the consensus of IWC around here? I've scoured the forums and searched online, and there seems to be ambivalence regarding its heritage, especially toward their lower end models, which have been accused of having borrowed ETA movements, excellent finishing, but ultimately overpriced for what they are. Would any of the following models be suitable daily drivers?

As Mimo mentioned, you won't get a consensus here on IWC (or probably any other brand).  Yes, some of their pieces have used ETA or Val 7750 movements as a base, and in their lesser priced pieces they don't do as much in terms of modifying or finishing them as on higher priced pieces (but that isn't specific to IWC).  I know some people even feel some of their inhouse calibers have a rather rough or industrial finish.  Also, there isn't anything wrong with some of their watches having used ETA movements as a base, as long as the price is reasonable for what you are getting.  ETA movements aren't rare but they are good, reliable movements. 

 

I think the Portugese watch you posted is definitely in terms of design a very distinctive style that is clearly IWC.  Although, its just not a design that appeals to me.  I don't like the Portofino...It actually seems a bit too generic and almost boring.

 

I've always liked their Pilot chronographs...but I don't like the date for 3 days showing, and I like their older style of bracelet.  Therefore, I'd rather have a pre-owned 3706 or 3713 both on the original style bracelet.  

 

Good luck with your shopping.

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That tourbillon is wonderful looking.  Have you ever thought of having something like that made to order?  Not necessarily at that level but, for example, one of the RGM offerings with your own additions?  They seem like pretty good value, and offer a lot of options.

 

As for the VC, it's very lovable.  I even like the grey dial, but I'm not sure I'd take it over a nice warm cream or a smooth white or silver.  The other thing is, I'm not really sold on the idea of white gold.  It always strikes me as a bit of a compromise: all the down sides of the softness of gold, but looking like polished steel.  I guess I'm a man of extremes: steel is fine for me, and one day it will be platinum!

Hi Mimo,  I've never really considered having something made for myself, even on a lesser level.  I tend to think that is for people with far greater means and stature than myself.  In addition, there are already too many watches on my "Must haves" list that are already in production.  I think Mrs. Dino would kill me if my list started to included pieces that don't exist yet.  

 

I agree with your thoughts on white gold.  +1.   I'd much rather have all steel or if the money were available platinum.  I owned a white gold watch once, and it just wasn't different enough or interesting enough to differentiate itself from the steel version or to justify its price difference.  If it had been yellow or rose there would be a difference in color that I would have found more appealing, and would have kept it from resembling the steel version that I also owned.  With platinum there is that shear heft to distinguish itself from gold or steel, and its much more durable. So for those reasons, the VC did not come home with me.   

 

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@Dino944 is the VC the watch you were mulling over that you had mentioned previously. The dial really is stunning in that picture.

Hi, no one this isn't the watch I was previously looking into...although that probably won't happen due to lack of availability/out of production.  That piece was actually a black dial Reverso Tribute.  An AD told me he thought he would still be able to get me one, but it is looking like he can't.  They make a white dial ultra thin models, but I don't really like the white dial enough to purchase one.

 

A friend works at an AD for some nice brands and they are no longer going to be a VC dealer, so he told me they have a few left at a very nice discount.  The price was very good and in rose I'd probably have taken the plunge.  I like the WG but I don't love it, and I can't justify it just because its a good price.  I don't wear dress watches anywhere nearly as frequently as sports watches, so if buying a dress watch I can't just like it, I have to love it or it will probably get little or no wrist time.     

 

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Originally Posted by Dillardiv View Post

On the topic of IWC pilots- I'm going to the IWC boutique tomorrow after a work meeting (hopefully if my flight up to NYC doesn't get cancelled) and will be eager to try on a Big Pilot just to see what it looks like. I want to like this watch, but it just might be too big. I love the look of the older Mark XV watches too. Portuguese Automatic 5001 is what I'm really hoping to like.

I'm curious when most folks talk about a value proposition, are they talking about MSRP or second hand? I don't think I'll ever be at a point where I'm buying direct from a dealer. Perhaps if I'm making 5x my current pay, it'd be nice to walk into a dealer and just walk on out with a brand new watch, but even then I think I'm always going to be all about trying to get a good deal. I know there are risks to buying second hand, but if you do your homework and buy from the right sellers, it just seems like such a better deal to me. Especially when you're talking about watches that are supposed to last a lifetime. If that's the case, why worry if someone else owned it first? I do understand the appeal of a shiny new watch worn by nobody but you, but you're going to ding your watch up a bit over the course of a lifetime anyway.

What do you guys think?

There are folks here that like the Big Pilot, but I'm not one of them.  I've seen them, tried them on, and I just don't get the hype.  Its a good quality watch, with an inhouse movement.  However, other than its giant size there isn't anything really special about it.  

 

At least where I live Big Pilots and a lot of Panerais are sort of played out and tired.  It seems every international student in New England is wearing a Big Pilot or very large PAM.  People talk about Rolex being too common, or attracting too much attention, but I think the same is now true of BPs and Panerais.  And as for attention, how can those not get attention when often times they don't fit under a dress shirt cuff.  I liked Panerais a bit more when they were sort of more of a niche product. 

 

As for value, I guess with what current pricing is of the BP, there are other watches I would much rather have.  So from that standpoint I don't think its a good value, at least not for me.  In the end only you can judge which watch is right for you and if it is a good value for you not just in terms of price, but in terms of enjoyment.  Once a watch is paid for, and you forget about discounts etc...the key issue will be how much are you enjoying your watch.   I realize price is a very important factor on a watch, be it new or use), however  if you buy the wrong watch, and you aren't enjoying it...then it isn't a good value even if you got it at a great discount.  

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As for value, I guess with what current pricing is of the BP, there are other watches I would much rather have.  So from that standpoint I don't think its a good value, at least not for me.  In the end only you can judge which watch is right for you and if it is a good value for you not just in terms of price, but in terms of enjoyment.  Once a watch is paid for, and you forget about discounts etc...the key issue will be how much are you enjoying your watch.   I realize price is a very important factor on a watch, be it new or use), however  if you buy the wrong watch, and you aren't enjoying it...then it isn't a good value even if you got it at a great discount.  

I agree with that. I was talking more about the buying approach in general than for a BP.
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In regards to IWC.  I don't mind that they produce most editions so large.  It is nice for people who like larger watches to have the option.  I'm warm on some models, cold on others.  I haven't found a single model I've truly connected with though.  For me, at whatever price point IWC is beaten out by somebody else.  Not to start a fight but I feel like they offer less relative value usually.

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Speaking of big watches that won't fit under shirt cuffs, I just saw a print advertisement for Breitling.

 

Above a big picture of a Navitimer, it said, in large print: "AN ICON JUST GOT LARGER", followed by "The new Navitimer 46mm".

 

46mm? 46MM?!?!?!

 

How much larger can these damned watches get? Who needs a watch that big?

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People who can't see.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
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oops, wrong thread
Edited by Kaplan - 3/5/15 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by aleksandr View Post


I kinda feel bad doing that, especially if I know I have zero intention of buying. I might try them on, but will probably not take a photo.

Except at my regular AD where I know someone and will from time to time visit and say hi. She'll entertain me if she's unoccupied and it's a slow day.

 

:embar:

 

 

I try on stuff I've no intention of buying...rather a lot.  But as few people where I live get any kind of commission, they don't seem to mind much: most of these boutiques are very quiet, and I think some of them just like to chat about watches and have something to do for half an hour.

 

I have a mind to do some serious tyre-kicking tomorrow, just to illustrate the point: there are things that need to be shared - it's too quiet in here!

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Yeah, I think as long as you're clear with the sales person that you're not really looking to buy, then there's no harm.

If I know that I'm purely browsing on a visit, then I go out of my way to make sure the staff knows this-- and tell them that they should not hesitate if another customer arrives needing assistance.

I quite enjoy it, the tyre-kicking, but I don't want to do it at the expense of anyone else.


I am wearing this one at the office on this lovely Friday:






And here's a random photo of some lady named Cynthia Ann something-or-other.

I think she just wants to remind you guys that an apple a day keeps the doctor away:

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