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Don't think I'll cool on it though! I took a long time to decide between that and Coke/Pepsi but I realised I liked the ceramic look better.

Yes, I really like the BLNR and don't seem my feelings on it cooling off any time soon either.  They are available pre-owned, but at least in my region, since they were released I've only seen 2 available brand new at ADs, and I purchased one of them.  

 

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Two personal examples here. My wife bought me a 40 year old Rolex for my 40th birthday, and a ten year old Speedy for our tenth anniversary. I think it's neat that these were made (roughly) when important events in my life were happening. I'm not massively interested in the watches' own history, or that of their previous owners, although I sometimes wonder what adventures the Rolex might have had before we met. I just like wearing something that's as old as I am (in the case of the Rolex).

Now, if I happened to buy a second hand Pepsi just because I liked it, I really wouldn't care less about its history and I'd want it in as good condition as possible so I can start adding my own history to it.

+1 agreed.  If I went vintage I'd want it in excellent condition, I wouldn't want a faded bezel.  Hell, I'd actually want to to be all original, but as close to NOS as possible.  

 

 

 

I popped into a shop to see a friend who was wearing his JDN tourbillon.  The details are really spectacular in person.  I believe he was the first person to commission the watch in rose gold.  For those not familiar with the brand this is Daniel Roth's company and his new brand since selling off the "Daniel Roth brand."   This is a very small company with I believe only 3 or 4 people, and my friend did get to have a fair amount of input and contact with Mr. Roth.  

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I was actually going into to see a different watch but the watch had sold.  Still he did offer me a very nice deal on this watch, as they are going to stop carrying VC.  For some reason the dial looks sort of in between blue and gray (but in real life its not blue, its sort of gray with what they call an opaline finish.  In rose I might have gone for it.  Its really nice but for some reason I just don't love it in WG.  Still a beautiful watch.

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What's the consensus of IWC around here? I've scoured the forums and searched online, and there seems to be ambivalence regarding its heritage, especially toward their lower end models, which have been accused of having borrowed ETA movements, excellent finishing, but ultimately overpriced for what they are. Would any of the following models be suitable daily drivers?

 

Portofino 3565

 

Pilot's Chrono 3777

 

Portuguese 3714

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Last two are awesome
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You got the photoshopped version.
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And Putin shirtless?!

 

Glad George Lucas is taking care of strategic interests.  But Star Wars Episode VII looks weird as hell.

 

 

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Perhaps this one is shiny and self-important enough for you! It's a Waterman Edson. I have the FP and ballpoint, but I think it was made in a roller, too. It's the "loudest" pen I have, but I've always thought it was striking, and it writes beautifully.

I have a couple of Viscontis. They're great looking pens, with unique designs (I'll try to remember to post some pictures), but their nibs don't hold a candle to the Duponts.

 

Very elegant.  I have a Waterman ballpoint that I use every day.  But it's from the wrong woman, if you get my drift.  So the right woman is about to take care of business.  I'm a rollerball primitive anyway, so I'm not asking for a Dupont for a better nib.  Right now I think my top pick would be the Montegrappa Espressione: quite bling, but I love the weight and balance of it.  And in the marbled black version, it's not too crazy.  Reosonable price too; about $250

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I popped into a shop to see a friend who was wearing his JDN tourbillon. 

 

Still he did offer me a very nice deal on this watch, as they are going to stop carrying VC.  For some reason the dial looks sort of in between blue and gray (but in real life its not blue, its sort of gray with what they call an opaline finish.  In rose I might have gone for it.  Its really nice but for some reason I just don't love it in WG.  Still a beautiful watch.

 

That tourbillon is wonderful looking.  Have you ever thought of having something like that made to order?  Not necessarily at that level but, for example, one of the RGM offerings with your own additions?  They seem like pretty good value, and offer a lot of options.

 

As for the VC, it's very lovable.  I even like the grey dial, but I'm not sure I'd take it over a nice warm cream or a smooth white or silver.  The other thing is, I'm not really sold on the idea of white gold.  It always strikes me as a bit of a compromise: all the down sides of the softness of gold, but looking like polished steel.  I guess I'm a man of extremes: steel is fine for me, and one day it will be platinum!

 

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It might not be red or rare, but to me this is still perfection.

 

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What's the consensus of IWC around here?

 

There is no consensus on anything, really.  But we're nice to each other.

 

For some IWC is overpriced.  Maybe even those of us who like some of their current line would agree on that.  But nevertheless, I'd buy that Portuguese.  It's just such a strong and distinctive design that I think it's worth it for that alone.  It pleases me to look at, and I think there are few better reasons to have a watch.  Even though it's relatively modern, and even though this iteration is inflated in size compared to the originals, I think it's attained a certain strength as a design concept.

 

There are a lot of deck watch designs with various origins in the last hundred years but this one is individual enough to stand apart, I think: see Hamilton, Tissot and a million Chinese quartz options for lookalikes. When a design is imitated that much, I think it starts to be worth something.

 

The pilots are a different proposition for me.  There are so many different models, there's rarely anything special about the movements or designs in my opinion, and they're expensive.  So although I like them I'd balk a little at taking one over a Stowa (see above) that has just as much history and design integrity, a similarly generic movement with modest decoration, but a fraction of the price.  The more modern pilot styles on bracelets would point me to Sinn.  Not that I'd say no to a big chunky IWC pilot.  I just think that unlike the Portuguese, it's one of several similar-looking watches that are legit in their own right.

 

As for the Portofino, no.  At least not this one.  The more complicated models are a lot better looking I think.  The basic Portofino is just too obvious: the 3 o'clock date and simple layout make it pleasant enough, but it could be made by anyone.  The case shape is nice, but it's not special enough for the price.  The 8 Days Reserve in blue, that's something.  But big for a dress watch. 

 

Anyway, like I said, it's not a matter of consensus: TWAT will never agree unanimously on anything, and IWC ranks up there with Grand Seikos and Glashuette Original as watches that everyone seems to agree are good, but in which some people see a very different value proposition.  So each to his own: you absolutely must try them on the wrist, then buy the one you're still dreaming about in six months.

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I agree with you, what about the IWC divers?, I think they are very distinctive

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What's the consensus of IWC around here?

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Let's just say I was somewhat inspired yesterday.

 

 

I'm wearing my old Rolex today.

 

 

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@mimo Great post and even better advice. Thank you.

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@Dino944 is the VC the watch you were mulling over that you had mentioned previously. The dial really is stunning in that picture.

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But nevertheless, I'd buy that Portuguese.  It's just such a strong and distinctive design that I think it's worth it for that alone.  It pleases me to look at, and I think there are few better reasons to have a watch.  Even though it's relatively modern, and even though this iteration is inflated in size compared to the originals, I think it's attained a certain strength as a design concept.

Did you mean deflated? I don't like the Porto Chrono for other reasons (prefer the Porto Auto), but while it *is* rather large (and known to wear larger due to the slim bezel), it's smaller than the original Portos.

The current 3714 is 40.9mm vs the 43mm of the first Porto from '39 and the 42mm of the 5441, introduced in '93.

Anyway, here's a nice one from '42:

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If I were to get an IWC Pilot watch I'd probably get this, special edition or not:

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On the topic of IWC pilots- I'm going to the IWC boutique tomorrow after a work meeting (hopefully if my flight up to NYC doesn't get cancelled) and will be eager to try on a Big Pilot just to see what it looks like. I want to like this watch, but it just might be too big. I love the look of the older Mark XV watches too. Portuguese Automatic 5001 is what I'm really hoping to like.

I'm curious when most folks talk about a value proposition, are they talking about MSRP or second hand? I don't think I'll ever be at a point where I'm buying direct from a dealer. Perhaps if I'm making 5x my current pay, it'd be nice to walk into a dealer and just walk on out with a brand new watch, but even then I think I'm always going to be all about trying to get a good deal. I know there are risks to buying second hand, but if you do your homework and buy from the right sellers, it just seems like such a better deal to me. Especially when you're talking about watches that are supposed to last a lifetime. If that's the case, why worry if someone else owned it first? I do understand the appeal of a shiny new watch worn by nobody but you, but you're going to ding your watch up a bit over the course of a lifetime anyway.

What do you guys think?
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I'm all for buying pre-owned, but that's all fine and dandy if you're going to get a steel Rolex (got a pretty good deal for a BLNR), but a little tougher if you are buying something a little less common, unless you are willing to wait.

Although I buy lots of stuff pre-owned, so I may not be the best representative.
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I'm all for buying pre-owned, but that's all fine and dandy if you're going to get a steel Rolex (got a pretty good deal for a BLNR), but a little tougher if you are buying something a little less common, unless you are willing to wait.

Although I buy lots of stuff pre-owned, so I may not be the best representative.

That makes sense especially if someone is buying fairly quickly. I am not in a position to buy something every 6 months, so I can plan things out a little more. Also I think it depends on the "depreciation" of the new vs pre-owned pricing. If there is less of a discount for pre-owned, makes sense to buy from a dealer.
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