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I've always maintained I would never buy a nice pen because I would almost certainly lose it, but damn, some of those posted in the past few pages are niiiice.

Whats a good online shop to peruse (wide selection, decent prices) to look for something to kop? Entry level at this point of course, Dupont Chinese Lacquer maybe.


I would highly recommend checking out a few in person first if at all possible. I'm really a pen newb and I only have a few but trying them out in person really does make a difference. The thickness, the weight, and the overall feel really does make a difference. 

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Congrats Keith!  Looks great.

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I would highly recommend checking out a few in person first if at all possible. I'm really a pen newb and I only have a few but trying them out in person really does make a difference. The thickness, the weight, and the overall feel really does make a difference. 

 

+1.  Also - WRITE with them.  On a variety of paper, if possible. 

 

@aleksandr - if you can make it to a Pen Show (like the one they had a couple of weeks ago in Los Angeles), then you can try out a variety of pens and choose between modern and vintage. Here's a list:

 

http://fpgeeks.com/pen_shows/

 

My two cents worth - in the beginning you'll need to relearn some new habits, and you may in fact lose or drop an expensive pen.  Buy with a credit card with some form of purchase protection, heh heh.  Also, a pen should make you WANT to write more, not just use them for functional stuff like signing bills or checks, etc.  And a big part of that experience is the nib/feed.  Otherwise you'll end up with an expensive desk ornament that you just pull out when you need to write down something relatively insignificant.

 

Since I got my Nakayas late last year / early this year I've written down about 120 pages in my journal, in cursive that I've been trying to relearn!  Hah hah.

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In any case, these are all tired old topics which we've discussed here in TWAT. And it's endemic to a bunch of watch companies. For example - and there are plenty of AP owners here, so correct me if your experience suggests differently - here are two cases in the past 18 months:

1. AP salmon dial, sent to Geneva. Complete service, no change in parts. Original estimated time, 8 weeks. Took over a year, and cost almost CHF3,000 (about USD3,100 or so given today's exchange rates). Just returned to my friend about a month ago.

2. AP Jumbo purchased on auction, sent to Geneva. Bezel needed replacing, and was also serviced completely. Took several months, and cost SGD3,600 (about USD2,700).

Relative to that, Patek's USD1,600 or so charge for servicing a Grand Complication (if no replacement parts are needed), seems rather affordable, especially since the APs above cost a fraction of, say, a Patek perpetual calendar chrono.

We can talk all day too about the relative ambiguity of pricing, etc - why did (1) above cost more than (2), when (2) required a part to be replaced? - and that's just the start of the litany of complaints about watch company service practices. But I also wonder if we see far more posts about complaints and disappointed expectations: how many of us have had great experiences with watch companies, and how often do we post and rave about that?

 

I agree in terms of not wanting to rush a company or watchmaker in terms of finishing servicing my watches.  I have been to an IWC watch making event where I got to disassemble and reassemble a basic but rather large movement and it was a bit tough to do without scratching any parts of the movement.  So I wouldn't want a watchmaker to hurry with my watches especially those with display backs. 

 

As for service times, the last Rolex I had serviced I was quoted a turn around time of 10-12 weeks and I had it back in 7, which impressed me  (previously when they quoted me 12 weeks it took 12 weeks to get it back).  I've also sent a Cartier for service and the turn around time was also quoted as 12 weeks but it was back in 9 weeks.  I also recall an AD that I shopped at quite a bit years ago had a sign up indicating that the Swatch Groups service centers were back logged for 20 weeks, and the back long was growing so please be patient and anticipate a 6 month wait to get your watch back.  

 

Regarding the AP with salmon dial, any idea why was it sent to Geneva?  Was it a particularly complicated piece?  Most pieces such as time only or basic chronographs and smaller complications just get serviced at AP's service center in Clearwater, FL.  

 

As for the second AP, I do know the steel bezel is quite costly on a RO...I think I've heard about $1,000. 

 

In the end, while I wish service costs were less, and we could get a watch back from service quickly, as with anything involving service of a specialty item, I value workmanship and quality over mere  speed.  

 

Also, is it really just $1,600 to service a grand complication from Patek?  I would have thought it would be more.  I know a similar figure was accurate on their website in May 2010 http://www.patek.com/en/client-service/service-costs.  I just wondered if it is still accurate today...I know several companies have increased service prices in the last 5-7 years. 


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Quick two-part question:

 

1) When servicing a pre-owned GMT II 16710, would Rolex refinish/replace a scratched aluminum bezel insert?

 

2) Is there a reliable source for "spare" aluminum bezel inserts? In case one wanted to keep a few on hand...

 

As for pens. Nothing fancy, but I enjoy my Visconti.

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Quick two-part question:

 

1) When servicing a pre-owned GMT II 16710, would Rolex refinish/replace a scratched aluminum bezel insert?

 

2) Is there a reliable source for "spare" aluminum bezel inserts? In case one wanted to keep a few on hand...

AFAIK, Rolex does not refinish a scratched aluminum bezel insert.  Actually, I'm not aware that there is a way of refinishing them.  Rolex might suggest replacing a scratched or very faded bezel insert, but they will only replace it if you agree to pay for a new insert.  If you do not agree to pay for a new one and do not authorize its replacement, then it is my understanding they will not replace it.  

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AFAIK, Rolex does not refinish a scratched aluminum bezel insert.  Actually, I'm not aware that there is a way of refinishing them.  Rolex might suggest replacing a scratched or very faded bezel insert, but they will only replace it if you agree to pay for a new insert.  If you do not agree to pay for a new one and do not authorize its replacement, then it is my understanding they will not replace it.  

 

Thank you Dino. And to the best of your knowledge, they'd still have bezel inserts on hand if need be? Any idea of the price to replace one? Just trying to factor in everything involved with a pre-owned purchase!

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Congrats from a fellow ultra thin owner! Stunning piece, enjoy it.

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Congrats man. Great purchase, and certain no losers in your list of finalists.

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Patek does a bit more than recommend parts to be replaced...sometimes it's a bit closer to insisting. A guy I knew bought an older Nautilus from the 80's. He wore it for 2 years and sent it in for service. They told him the gold rotor should be replaced(I believe it's attachment area that was wearing). He wasn't sure if he wanted to spend the roughly $2k to replace it. However, they told him if he did not replace it they would not warranty the service on the watch. He felt it was crazy to spend what service cost on it and not get a warranty for the work done, and he felt they were forcing him to replace it, so he authorized the new rotor... But was a bit sour on the brand after that and he sold the watch shortly after getting it back. Being fair to Patek if a watch isn't keeping good time or achieving a good power reserve, they don't want to keep getting a watch back and eat repair costs if someone doesn't follow their recommendations.
Congrats Keith! Hope you had fun... Those were some beautiful runner ups! Also JLC makes some amazing watches... But the ultra thin Reverso models are my favorites from them. Enjoy it in good health and congrats again! That ultra thin is stunning!!!

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Beautiful choice. Wear in good health.

On a related note, I really like the JLC ultra thin duo but can't get past the numeral at 12. Oddly enough, it looks like the stainless version has sticks at 12 which I think is more balanced. I wonder what goes into the decisions on how much homogeny is desired across metals.

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Well done Keith. Looks sublime. Wear in the best my friend

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Knew you'd come through...thanks for the tips!

I'm going to have to fiddle with some Montblancs in person, as they leave me a little cold so far.  Maybe it's just because they're so popular and the logo so well known...they almost appear generic.  Which is a little unfair.  I guess it's just the brand everyone knows here.  The Rolex of pens.  And so that shouldn't be a bad thing.

I've seen all those special edition Montegrappas, but some of the simpler ones are pretty nice.  I like the Nero Uno, really like the Esspresione, and just discovered the entry-level Parolo that I'd not seen before: actually feels very nice, and might suit me.

But you've won me over with ST Dupont.  Those special editions like yours are beyond me (yours is totally the one I'd choose though!), but I really like the large "Neo Classique" in plain black.  I will get a rollerball; I'm too messy and juvenile for grown up ink and fancy nibs, but it's all about the feel in the hand.  Only problem is, this one seems to be an old line, and the few around are still over budget.  There's one in the local AD that I passed by chance earlier.

Those Nakaya things are really something.  How do the adjustable weights work exactly? Anyway, too much, but food for thought!

Must go and look at the MBs; otherwise it's probably Montegrappa, or an unlikely budget-busting Dupont: this is going to be a birthday present for me, so I don't want to ask too much.  


So, those watches eh?  Nice work, @KeithT
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@Keith T
!!! Congratulations and wear that beauty in good health!!!!!

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Congrats Keith!  Looks great.

Thanks guys....I'm very much looking forward to an extended honeymoon with this one.

I'll probably start going out of my way to dress up a bit more, just so I can wear the watch more frequently. smile.gif
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Thank you Dino. And to the best of your knowledge, they'd still have bezel inserts on hand if need be? Any idea of the price to replace one? Just trying to factor in everything involved with a pre-owned purchase!

Yes, they would still have new aluminum bezel inserts.  Rolex has stated they maintain a stock of parts for 20 years past a model going out of production.  I haven't priced one in years...so my prices could have gone up over the years.  IIRC they used to be about $75-85...but that was more than 10 years ago.

 

In addition, not sure if you are just looking to replace a scratched bezel or to buy extras.  For extras, you may have better luck overseas.  Rolex's US division has a strict trade in policy.  They will not just sell you bezel inserts.  They will only sell you one, in exchange for the one currently on your watch.  They do not want people selling the parts on Ebay and then have someone cobbling together "Franken-watches" using authentic pre-owned Rolex parts.  I'm not sure why they are so strict about that here in the US, and not as strict about that in other parts of the world.  Hope this helps and good luck with your watch shopping. 

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yeah looks good
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what about Mido? they have some nice models

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Since this thread is now temporarily about pens, I have a question:

Do these pens experience any kind of bleed through? Like, if the paper is cheap and/or thin? I really like those pens but want to know if I should be concerned
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Since this thread is now temporarily about pens, I have a question:

Do these pens experience any kind of bleed through? Like, if the paper is cheap and/or thin? I really like those pens but want to know if I should be concerned

Bleed through is about the ink and the paper, not necessarily about the pens. (unless you press VERY hard)

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Yes, they would still have new aluminum bezel inserts.  Rolex has stated they maintain a stock of parts for 20 years past a model going out of production.  I haven't priced one in years...so my prices could have gone up over the years.  IIRC they used to be about $75-85...but that was more than 10 years ago.

In addition, not sure if you are just looking to replace a scratched bezel or to buy extras.  For extras, you may have better luck overseas.  Rolex's US division has a strict trade in policy.  They will not just sell you bezel inserts.  They will only sell you one, in exchange for the one currently on your watch.  They do not want people selling the parts on Ebay and then have someone cobbling together "Franken-watches" using authentic pre-owned Rolex parts.  I'm not sure why they are so strict about that here in the US, and not as strict about that in other parts of the world.  Hope this helps and good luck with your watch shopping. 

Very useful information as always. Very reassuring. Now then. I can excitedly say: Incoming!

As for my search, I had a chance to compare both of the new ceramic models and an older 16710 in a final showdown. In the end I decided I'm just not sold on the BLNR, or ceramic in general. There's a certain soulfulness in the older models I found undeniable. And also, a surplus of people selling them off to upgrade!

Pics to come.
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Very useful information as always. Very reassuring. Now then. I can excitedly say: Incoming!
 

Congrats!  Looking forward to seeing some wrist shots when it arrives!  This place is definitely becoming a very GMT Master friendly environment (regardless of bezel material).   

 

Congrats again and hope it brings you many years of enjoyment!  :cheers:

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