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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

That's what I'm trying to figure out. I plan to get the RO 15450 and it is 50m with a screw down crown. I really want to be able to swim with it. I guess just wading in a pool with it would be fine, but I probably wouldn't take it in the ocean. Guess I'll have to hang onto my Explorer to take on vacations.

I can't imagine wearing a Royal Oak swimming or for similar activities. Notwithstanding the water resistance, those brushed surfaces are very easily scratched/scuffed and it will require a trip back to AP to be properly polished. Just not worth the risk IMHO.
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I can't imagine wearing a Royal Oak swimming or for similar activities. Notwithstanding the water resistance, those brushed surfaces are very easily scratched/scuffed and it will require a trip back to AP to be properly polished. Just not worth the risk IMHO.

Sounds like it isn't the watch for me, then. Oh well. I can always admire it.

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Sounds like it isn't the watch for me, then. Oh well. I can always admire it.

I hate to discourage anyone from kopping a RO, it's such an awesome watch. I wore mine yesterday for the first time in a while--pictures just do not do it justice, it's brilliant in the metal. But for sports or very active daily wear, I don't think it makes a lot of sense. Unless of course you just really don't give a phuck, a la Frilly. LOL
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I hate to discourage anyone from kopping a RO, it's such an awesome watch. I wore mine yesterday for the first time in a while--pictures just do not do it justice, it's brilliant in the metal. But for sports or very active daily wear, I don't think it makes a lot of sense. Unless of course you just really don't give a phuck, a la Frilly. LOL

Hey, stuff happens...if it won't work for me, then I don't want to own it. I don't like worrying about my watches. That's why I've only owned Rolex this far.

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I dont even wear my RO in the shower. :/

I have worn my Rolex swimming, but I much prefer not to.
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Interesting to read how intricate the perception of brand is and how it impacts people in watches, in other luxury goods and in non-luxury products. I have both a Rolex and a Seiko (with one more on the way) as noted yesterday. I like Rolex and Seiko for a lot of the same reasons - they control as much of their production process as possible and focus on building durable accurate timepieces as opposed to just chasing fashion and they don't often cut corners or when they do there's a reason behind it. I trust Rolex to over-engineer their watches. Seiko is a bit different in that they build to a pricepoint, but within that they tend to manage produciton costs in such a way as to maximize durability and quality. Dollar for dollar, I think they do about as well as anyone across a number of pricepoints.

I also dislike Rolex and Seiko for a lot of the same reasons. I'm not someone who wants to self-identify or be identified as a Rolex or Seiko guy. In both cases I had to overcome the perception that owning and wearing a particular brand would cause someone who doesn't know me to make certain assumptions about me other than approving or disapproving of my taste. The last thing I would want to do is impress someone with my brand of watch or have anyone think that's what I'm trying to do.

I think that's why my favorite watch is my Nomos - people either love it or hate it or don't care but it's not because of any baggage people have with the brand. I think I'll appreciate the moonwatch for the same reason - sure it's a familiar watch to aficionados, but it doesn't announce Omega the way almost every Rolex screams rolex. Interestingly, the watch I wear that consistently has gotten the most positive feedback over the years has been my casio calculator watch. I've had countless people come up to me to talk about how they had one when they were kids and how awesome it is that it hasn't changed. I've never had anyone make a negative comment and have never felt awkward or shy about rocking it. People make jokes of course, but always good natured.

Long story short, the apprehension I have when I wear the Rolex is nearly identical to when I wear a Seiko - just from opposite ends of the spectrum. Won't stop me from appreciating them for what they are, but it's a shame that brand perception can play a role even when undesired.
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Sounds like it isn't the watch for me, then. Oh well. I can always admire it.

I hate to discourage anyone from kopping a RO, it's such an awesome watch. I wore mine yesterday for the first time in a while--pictures just do not do it justice, it's brilliant in the metal. But for sports or very active daily wear, I don't think it makes a lot of sense. Unless of course you just really don't give a phuck, a la Frilly. LOL

Still ticking. Several hours in a hot tub too. But, to be fair, my 5711 is far more banged up and scratched up than Dino's RO.

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Eh...eff it...I'm just gonna do it. There was a time when I didn't want to bang up my Rolexes, either.
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That's the spirit
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At the other end of the spectrum, a dial that doesn't say anything at all.. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


(I realize the California dial isn't everyone's cup of tea but that isn't the point here..)
(Also interestingly 47mm isn't as big as it sounds)

Indeed.

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A black dial GP 1960 that belongs to a friend

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My daily wearer;

 

PS: That's a lovely AP a few pages back... one day ;)

 

 


Edited by amdaman - 2/18/15 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

 

Even when car companies get it right, like with the original Acura/Honda NSX (and Honda has racing heritage), there is often an intangible quality be it myth, lore, history, exclusivity that bring emotion and feeling into a purchase.  In the early 1990s, car companies like Porsche, Ferrari, and Lotus were seeing their cars bested by less expensive but costly cars  in the form of Acura/Honda, Mazada's twin turbo RX7, Toyota's Supra Turbo etc.  However, Porsche brought forward ads that were successful...and still resonate with modern sports cars, and possibly nice watches, or finely made suits.  Porsche's ad showed a 911 and then said something like "Honestly, did you spend your youth dreaming about someday owning a Nissan or Mitsubishi?  Then it talks about the 911 and its uniqueness and heritage.  A Flordia exotic car dealer did a similar ad at the time saying "When you were growing up, did your really dream of owning a Honda, a Mazda, or Nissan?  We didn't think so." and then it showed a Ferrari, a Lotus, and a Porsche.

 

For me, from the age of 9 or 10,  I dreamed of owning a Rolex.  I loved their old ads showing people going on safari, or climbing mountains, or going to tremendous depths in the Ocean.  So for me owning them is a dream come true.  Growing up people in our city didn't own APs, VC, Pateks etc, so I never thought I would have one.  So for a long time that was also a dream.  A Grand Seiko or a Credor are certainly good watches, and they are far nicer than the average $200-$400 Seiko, but for me there just wouldn't be any kind of special feel from owning a Grand Seiko over a regular one.  What can I say, owning the best Seiko just isn't my dream.

Same thing...not really interested in either.  A friend of mine in college from Japan had a Credor.  He spoke about how in Japan it  is a very high end and revered watch.  To me his was over stylized, and nothing significant.  Some of their designs are better today, but still don't have any interest in owning one.

 

 

 

A very good post, and it really speaks to the power of branding to influence people's decisions - which, of course, is why companies spend so much on advertising and promotion in various forms, so as to create a particular brand perception.

 

Rolex still have similar ads, of course, showing people trekking across the Arctic, climbing high peaks, taking part in long-distance ocean yacht races and so on.

 

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people who take part in those sort of activities wear something like a Casio G-Shock while they're actually at sea or on top of the mountain, but the important thing is that the perception is still there and that the myth is still maintained.

 

The same goes for cars - there are some absolutely brilliant Japanese cars out there but, in the West, whilst people do regard Lexus, Infiniti etc as luxury brands, they still don't have quite the same cachet as Mercedes or BMW, for example. As a Euro example, the Volkswagen Phaeton W12 was an excellent car that got very good reviews and that easily rivalled the top-end cars from Mercedes and BMW, but it bombed in the US largely because it had a VW badge, rather than a Mercedes or BMW badge.

 

It's really rather mortifying to think about and to realise just how vulnerable we are to this kind of brand imagery and manipulation - even though we might like to think that we're independent thinkers and that we rationally assess things on their merits, it's not true. We're still swayed by emotional responses to things and those emotional responses are, as Dino pointed out, often based on the influences (such as branding and advertising) that we've been exposed to during formative periods in our lives.

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I think it's that very robust marketing arm of Rolex that turned me off to the brand for so long. I've always carried a general distrust of popular things and a deep dislike of the event of brand recognition. Unnecessary lettering, as we see with the Grand Seiko's triple-branded dial and Rolex's use of the word "superlative," is quite vexing. And part of my brain always seems to wonder what percentage of the retail price of an item has trickled down from the marketing department's budget.

I've only recently begun to desire a Rolex. If I buy one, I plan to beat the everloving hell out of it before passing it down to a son. That's what they're built for, right?

I wish I could learn to love Nomos. I really do. Though I neither love nor hate Nomos watches. I respect them terrifically. I'm just too much of a dandy to make one my own.
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...And...we're back to business as usual. Only took a week or so.
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