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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, JLC etc...) - Page 2703post #40531 of 483122/3/15 at 8:01ampost #40532 of 483122/3/15 at 8:24amQuote:Originally Posted by aleksandr
Family shot trying to recreate something I saw on hodinkee once. Wasn't easy, watches kept slipping and sliding all over the place. Also missing the latest addition to the family, DJII. In the possession of the wife.
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Too funny!post #40533 of 483122/3/15 at 8:45amQuote:
Not sure if you are asking if you should consider other models of GMT Master/ GMT II, or if you should be looking at different watches all together.Quote:Originally Posted by Medwed
Does this explain a lot?
As for those goofy aftermarket mods, I see pix of them on the net, but I never see people wear them in the real world. Those wouldn't steer me away from buying the real thing. Also that nonsense is no longer restricted to Rolex. I recently saw pix on Instgram, where someone had purchased a black Patek Nautlius that had some type of dark carbon coating on it.Quote:Originally Posted by wurger
yes, big congraz to Dino!! Spend much less time on Style Forum now that I decided no more shoes!
I dropped my BLNR off at the RSC today for a crystal swap, I have recently been following the less cyclops magnification threads on the Rolex Forums closely. The main concern is that on certain watches, the magnification isn't 2.5X as specified, which may lead to harder resell as people may think it's fake.
Thanks for the good wishes Wurger.
I hadn't read about the cyclops magnification issues, although I haven't followed the Rolex forums closely in a while. Obviously, if it bothers you, then by all means you are doing the right thing changing out the crystal/cyclops. However, I wouldn't worry too much about it being a hard sell as people might think its a fake (particularly if you have the boxes, papers etc). Not to mention, if you ever have it serviced at a Rolex service center it will have corresponding paperwork indicating they serviced it. Rolex doesn't service fakes, it my understanding they confiscate fakes (at least that is what I heard happens at US service centers). Anyway, sorry to hear of this annoyance. Hope all works out well for you. Cheers!Quote:Originally Posted by Tried and True
I think most people don't care much for one handed watches and clocks. I grew up with ( and still have) a few 18th century one handed clocks in the house and they've been viewed as oddities by most visitors and actually annoying to some. I had an aunt who used to curse at them and ask why we couldn't afford a minute hand.
Anyway, if I were to get one I'd probably get one that shows military time.
Oh, and Dino, I wish you an extended 'new watch' buzz. It's such a delightful feeling.
Thanks for the good wishes! I think Mrs. Dino hopes the "New watch buzz" lasts a long time and keeps me out of watch stores for a while
A friend of mine had some jump hour watches from AP, Cartier, and Gerald Genta...and I thought they were cool but a bit odd. I'm not sure I could ever get used to one handed watch for hours and minutes. I like the concept, but the look just leaves me feeling like its incomplete...I think I'd always have to have at least 2 hands on a watch.Quote:
Nice family shot! Although, all the slipping and the thought of metal cases scraping against metal cases would make me cringe a bit.post #40534 of 483122/3/15 at 8:49amQuote:Originally Posted by Dino944
Not sure if you are asking if you should consider other models of GMT Master/ GMT II, or if you should be looking at different watches all together.
Nice family shot! Although, all the slipping and the thought of metal cases scraping against metal cases would make me cringe a bit.
Sorry, I meant other refs / other models of the GMT.
I saw the new white gold pepsi GMT 116719 and my head was turned. Although I guess white gold is probably out of the question right now.
Also no watches were harmed in the making of that picture.post #40535 of 483122/3/15 at 8:51ampost #40536 of 483122/3/15 at 9:43amQuote:
Regarding GMTs, the 1675 is a classic, with the big lum markings, and by now original dials have a nice patina where the lum has usually turned a beautiful cream color. However, you have to the be concerned about condition and looking for ones that haven't been polished dozens of times to the point of having very rounded edges on the lugs, is the dial original or a later service dial (service dial reduces the value and on some level collectibility, some people love the curvature of acrylic crystals while others prefer the more rugged synthetic sapphire, and will the lack of a quick set date and lack of an independently adjustable hour hand (in place of a quickset) be an annoyance?
I like the 16710s. My father had one for several years. Its a good solid watch with the final changes/upgrades prior to the ceramic bezel models. If you want a sort of interesting one, search for a late Z serial or an M serial. These last versions of the 16710s are supposedly the only ones to have the newer cal 3186 with blue parachrom hair spring rather than a 3185 (although that's a good solid movement that powered many GMTs and Explorer IIs). Your also get an SEL bracelet (rather than clam shell ends on older bracelets) and an independently adjustable hour hand (which can be used as a form of quick set for the date).
As for the WG Pepsi GMT, I tried it on and its very nice. However, I've owned a WG Rolex, and I lost interest in it quickly so I'd never do another. It wasn't different enough from steel (yes some say its a stealth luxury model), but it looked so similar to the steel version of the same watch, that felt like too much $$$ tied up in a watch that didn't look different enough from my steel version. If I were buying gold I'd want a model in YG or RG so I could at least see the difference between it and the steel model, or platinum which feels incredibly heavy, and is more rugged than gold, and which when polished doesn't lose much metal as gold. Also, I haven't checked in years, but Rolex used to always plate their WG with Rhodium. I tend to keep watches for a long time and I wouldn't want to have to deal with the hassle or replating at some point.
Good luck with your journey to finding the right GMTpost #40537 of 483122/3/15 at 10:56ampost #40538 of 483122/3/15 at 11:26amQuote:
Probably much the same as previous generations. Changes have happened through out production. Early generations had gilt dials, matte dials, no white gold trim around the lum, no shoulders to protect the crown, "clam shell" end pieces on hollow bracelets etc. The watches will continue to evolve, slowly but they will evolve. Younger generations just being introduced to Rolex and seeing them at ADs will "Grow up" with them having wider lugs, shoulders to protect the crown, blue lum, maxi dials, bracelets with solid links and end pieces, etc. Those that aren't ready to purchase new ones will buy relatively new pre-owned models and it will preserve interest and resale on the newer models (some vintage models will be out of their price range and some people want the newest they can get, and aren't really into vintage). Just my 2 cents.post #40539 of 483122/3/15 at 11:37amI'm sure the value will be fine, I guess I was more curious regarding "patination".
Another quick thought, it's tough to find even 16710's in complete and unpolished condition. Lots with replacement bezels (correct or otherwise) etc.
Edited by cyc wid it - 2/3/15 at 12:01pmpost #40540 of 483122/3/15 at 12:36pm
I was speaking about them not simply from a value point of view, but how they will be viewed by future generations.
As for Patina... on vintage Rolex, some was merely a factor of age such as the lum turning a nice cream color. I don't really think you will see it on new watches. Now that they don't use tritium, the lum doesn't have a half life and so it shouldn't start to degrade and turn cream colored. I have a nearly 14 year old Explorer II with superluminova that was a daily wearer for many years. Other than a few light scratches on the bracelet, it looks the same as the day I got it. I have not seen any change in the color of the lum.
The color change on bezels of old Subs and GMTs was largely due to exposure to sunlight/UV rays on the anodized aluminum bezels. I believe the ceramic bezels are not supposed to change color due to sunlight/uv rays. So far the Ceramic GMTs have been around for 7-8 years. I've seen pix of many that received a lot of use and I have seen any that have faded to a different color yet.
So it would seem age of current models will probably only be reflected in scratches and scrapes, or if the dials themselves change color with constant exposure to sunlight. Some very old Subs and GMTs usually 35+ years or older have dials that are almost a shade of brown from sunlight exposure.
As for 16710's they have not been out of production for that long, so if you truly wanted one you should be able to locate one with box and papers (unpolished might be tougher to find). As for the bezels, they are easy enough to pop out and replace, and those don't affect value. What does affect value is whether they have their original dial or a replacement dial.post #40541 of 483122/3/15 at 1:57pmQuote:Originally Posted by Dillardiv
Interesting. I'm looking at your photo and looking at my BLNR and scratching my head a bit, but I think my date window takes up a tiny bit more of the space in the cyclops than yours, so I guess maybe you do have less magnification. Pretty tough to measure that though. Any time I hear stuff about fake watches it makes me the slightest bit nervous bc this was/is my first watch and I was purchased second hand (trusted seller on rolexforum). Can't do much at this point, so best to just trust that it's real and enjoy the watch!
I bought the green subC a few years ago, and bought another yesterday. The magnification on my new one is definitely less but it makes the date window more subtle which I like. Both watches were purchased new by me from an AD.
Edit - I sold the other one a few weeks ago so I can't do side by side but I'm 99% certain.post #40542 of 483122/3/15 at 8:23pmpost #40543 of 483122/3/15 at 8:35pmAlso, I dont know much about finance, but this made me lol.
NYT:Quote:Richemont, for instance, said last week that it had more than $5 billion in cash.
WSJ:Quote:Financière Richemont SA is considering price increases of 5% to 7% for its Swiss watches to counter the impact of the sudden surge in the Swiss franc.post #40544 of 483122/3/15 at 9:51pmpost #40545 of 483122/3/15 at 9:56pm
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