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Back in Dallas for the holidays and did some watch peeping the last couple of days with my brother, including a Torbillion, Tourneau, Omega, Panerai and Rolex boutiques as well as Timeless Luxury watches in Frisco that deals GP, Grand Seiko, Nomos and others.

I saw a lot of great stuff, but a few really popped in my eye. No pics, because I'm too dumb to remember to do so, but I thought I'd post my observations.

My brother and I have different tastes, but I really liked the PAM Radomir 183 for him. He also tried in a WG Daytona on a leather strap that was quite striking.

I tried on the new Seamaster 300 Vintage in SS and Titanium at the Omega Boutique. Really like what they've done with this, especially by not including the date. I think the SS model is a strong option for people considering a No Date Sub. About a thousand bucks cheaper with a great movement.

I've bought a couple watches from Timeless Luxury, but had only talked to the guys there on the phone, so it was nice to go into the showroom. Had a chance to see one of the new GP Traveler GMTs. It's really big and didn't have the feel I was expecting for a $15k retail watch. I know it's very we made, but didn't speak to me at all in the flesh.

I'm very interested in a dual time zone/GMT watch at the moment so I mainly focused on those. Next up was the Nomos Weltzeit. Really enjoyed this one in the flesh and even though it's the same diameter of my Ahoi, it definitely looks and wears sleeker. Like the fact that it lacks a date and that its understated enough that it wouldn't look out of place when dressed up. I could own this and my Ahoi Atlantik and probably be very happy.

Then he showed me a preowned JLC Master Hometime (older version). In general my preferences are towards the understated side and while I love the implementation of the dual time zone on this watch, I feel it needs more contrast. However, I like the case shape and wouldn't be opposed to a different JLC in that form factor at some point.

Finally though, the most impressive watch I handled was a Grand Seiko Spring Drive GMT, the SBGE001. The sapphire bezel is really cool in person as is the whole watch. I really like the lume of the bezel (and on the rest of the watch). The quality of the polishing of the hands and indexes is obvious to the naked eye. I'd never seen one in person before, but I've been reading up on it today and very few of the pictures I've seen on the web impress me the way it did in person. It was a preowned piece and I was offered a price that is very reasonable and would represent very little risk if it didn't end up working out for some reason. I think I may have to pick it up.
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Agreed. I personally like the moon phase on the WG much more.

Plus one.

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Great kops aleksander and Wes!
post #39273 of 48312
After nearly seven years I still love my Zenith as much as I did the day I first opened the box.

37mm diameter, 7mm thick.

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Looking at it from a dollars and cents pont of view it is difficult to justify the premium of the white gold version. You don't get that much more for your money.

On the other hand, buying a watch like this is not really about making a rational decision. It is more about figuring out what you want and getting it. Having said that, you should really ask yourself if you will be happy with the steel version over the white gold. That is what it comes down to. Some people really like the "stealth" appeal and subtle difference of white gold over steel. Others don't see the point in paying so much more for what looks like the much cheaper steel (and way more delicate). This is something only you can decide.

Otherwise, I would not factor in the resale value of either. JLCs don't do that great on the secondary markets. They make some great watches, but that is just the way it is.

One more thing. It was not clear from your post if you have actually seen/handled either watch It is really important to do that IMO. Very often in my own experience at least seeing a watch totally changed my opinion going in.

Good luck w whatever you do.


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I'm hoping for a little advice regarding the JLC Perpetual Ultra Thin. I'm considering the steel and white gold versions (in pic above, white gold is on left, steel on right). I'd love to own a white gold watch, but the steel seems more practical and is obviously a better value, price-wise. Retail on the steel is ~$21,000, on the white gold ~$36,000). Originally, I was only considering the steel version, due to price, but as noted below, due to several factors the white gold price is pretty compelling.

Cost aside, I think I prefer the white gold face/dial combination. It is more legible due to the darker hour markers and hands and I like the graining of the white face. However, I do like the subtlety of the steel's grey face and silver hands. I only wish the hands on the steel version where a bit more legible (they tend to blend in with the face). Steel is much more durable on a day-to-day basis, and obviously, the price is significantly less.

Here is the rub for me: I can get either version at a significant discount off list from a European AD, mainly due to a discount, as well as the VAT refund and strong dollar when buying from Europe and bringing home to the US. The total savings for the steel version is about 20-22% off list, but the total savings for the white gold would be 30-32% off list. At the end of the day, the WG version would only be about $7k more than the steel (basically, a 50% premium in price over the steel version), and for that $7k I'd be getting a gold case and much better legibility and a beautiful face. On the other hand, that $7k is no small amount of money, and I could use it for other purposes.

The steel version's out-the-door discounted price is compelling, because there is generally no discount available on it due to boutique pricing. But the white gold version's out-the-door price is only about $2,500 more than the steel's list price. I'd love to own a white gold watch, especially with that grained dial, but I'm not sure I want to spend an additional $7,000 (on an out-the-door basis) just for the gold and nicer face.

This watch is made in three versions (the third is rose gold, which is priced a bit less than the white gold). The rose gold is the best selling of the three. The steel is limited to JLC boutiques only, and is made in very limited quantities. From what I understand from a JLC rep, the steel is the rarest in terms of quantity produced, and is in high demand for that reason and because it is so affordable (relatively speaking). The white gold is second rarest, rarer than the rose gold, due to the higher price and the fact that most folks who want gold want rose or yellow gold, since it is more obviously a precious metal. Resale-wise, the steel would probably hold its value more (as a percentage of its out-the-door price), since the discounted price is so much lower than list, as a boutique-only version it is almost never discounted and because it is produced in such limited quantities. Should this factor into my decision?

Any advice/input/thoughts appreciated.

Thanks!
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Enjoying snow and sub-zero weather in California's gold country.

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post #39276 of 48312
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One more thing. It was not clear from your post if you have actually seen/handled either watch It is really important to do that IMO. Very often in my own experience at least seeing a watch totally changed my opinion going in.

This is good advice. It has happened to me on a number of occasions as well - most recently with another JLC, the Master Control. It just looked exceedingly blah and average to me in person.
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Happy Holidays!




Thanks for all the great discussions
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That Daytona is stunning.
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Doesn't seem that unreasonable for a chronograph from a high-end company assuming it includes refinishing, plus living in Australia taught me that it's brutal on watch prices in general. (And Lord knows I'm no Richemont fan, either.)

Parts pricing does seem a bit high, though.

Dang. Remind me to never purchase a high-end chronograph. As a matter of fact, id be just fine with zero complications.

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My gift to myself for christmas.  My contribution to this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nice BP FF. That is a watch that has a ton of history, but you don't see that many kops. Especially compared to a Submariner.

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Enjoying snow and sub-zero weather in California's gold country.

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Moo: Are those Paraboots? Like the pairing with the Sub and large herringbone jacket.
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Swung by the AP boutique in NYC to try on the Jumbo. Unfortunately, the Jumbo is sold out and reinforcements are not expected until January/February.

In the absence of the 15202, I gave the 15400 a spin. Beautiful watch and I love the color of the face (maybe even more than the 15202) but the size isnt for me. The 41mm may be manageable but the case sits up high and doesnt feel right on my wrist. This issue is probably accentuated in the below photo because the bracelet is far too big, you can see the gaping at the top of the watch.

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Moo: Are those Paraboots? Like the pairing with the Sub and large herringbone jacket.

Thanks! The boots are La Sportiva Nepal Extreme mountaineering boots.
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Pedestrian out of focus hesalite speedy. Figured the backdrop was more impressive. Hope everyone is enjoying the holidays.
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