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I dont like the extra wide date window, I think its not aesthetically pleasing. Ymmv.
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Yowsa. 45mm case. Must be meant to be worn outside of a space suit.  Good thing I'm not an astronaut.

 

 

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Or maybe its to bring out the Flavor Flav in astronauts and they will be wearing it on a chain around the neck of their space suits ;) 


Guess I'll have to see it in the flesh regarding the size. But it looks nice to me :embar:

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I've thought about the X-33, always liked the idea of it, but I've yet to see in the wild pics of one...
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Agreed. Seems to happen a lot when IWC gets brought up biggrin.gif

Seconded; I appreciate the passionate debate, but hope the main actors can dial it backdown a bit. Would be nice to keep TWAT a bit less combative that some of the other threads at SF... biggrin.gif
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I've thought about the X-33, always liked the idea of it, but I've yet to see in the wild pics of one...

Triple post?!
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I've thought about the X-33, always liked the idea of it, but I've yet to see in the wild pics of one...
I have the 1st generation X-33. Pretty cool little gadget with an alarm that could wake the dead. It has a different look than the 3rd generation and a touch smaller at 42. Here's a side by side.


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Seconded; I appreciate the passionate debate, but hope the main actors can dial it backdown a bit. Would be nice to keep TWAT a bit less combative that some of the other threads at SF... biggrin.gif

Agreed, and thanks for the response.

Regrets if the previous discussion veered more toward combativity than good-natured banter. (I tend to write rather hastily on a touch screen, and that definitely doesn't help things.)

Watches are one of the few things that I care enough about to write about, and I'd like to avoid coming across as simply being negative for its own sake. I actually do like them and I get disappointed when I see companies taking their customers for granted. After re-reading Jack Forster's excellent 2013 article on watch journalism, it resonates — especially the bit about handbags being handled with a better critical sensibility than watches and the last line: "Selling Veblen goods to a progressively narrower and narrower slice of the affluent uninformed is not a particularly sustainable business model."

Design in general and watches in particular interest me, and I'd much sooner have discussion than diatribe on the subject. I particularly enjoy reading the considered opinions and reasoned critique that this thread often elicits. It's a goldmine of information and has a wealth of genuinely helpful and likeable regulars. Crucially for me, it's free of the sponsor-influenced moderation that plagues most watch-specific venues and stifles legitimate discussion. I'll endeavor to keep it fun, though.

TWAT is the most consistently engaging watch discussion that I've come across. It doesn't hurt that there are some absolutely kickass watches of all types here, either.

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I really don't buy the excuse that the pedestrian finish is justifiable because the movement is housed behind a solid case back. At this price point a decent level of finishing should be expected, as that is one of the factors which separate higher end watches from their lesser counterparts.

It's kind of like the difference between the solo golfer who calls a penalty on himself when his ball lands behind a tree and the guy who kicks it back into the fairway.

Not much turns on the difference in choice - no puppies are harmed either way - but it still says something when you choose to do the right thing even when there's nobody watching.
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@Belligero- no need to apologize for writing what you believe. Clearly you've done the research and feel passionately about this and we've all learned a hell of a lot (about font?! - J/K) from your posts.

To be fair, you probably know more about IWC than most IWC fans - myself included. And you spread your love and disapproval around rather fairly I believe. You're not really an IWC-icst.. More like a Richemont-icst? Still, it's these discussions - polarizing as they are - that keep everyone engaged. Now where is that @mafoofan to tie this all up?

And to be honest, this round hasn't been nearly as 'contentious' as some of the many other spirited discussions on TWAT.
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well said RP. As much as I love IWC, it's hard to argue with this.

Nothing worse then the PAM 318 fiasco though.
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@Belligero- no need to apologize for writing what you believe. Clearly you've done the research and feel passionately about this and we've all learned a hell of a lot (about font?! - J/K) from your posts.

To be fair, you probably know more about IWC than most IWC fans - myself included. And you spread your love and disapproval around rather fairly I believe. You're not really an IWC-icst.. More like a Richemont-icst? Still, it's these discussions - polarizing as they are - that keep everyone engaged. Now where is that @mafoofan to tie this all up?

And to be honest, this round hasn't been nearly as 'contentious' as some of the many other spirited discussions on TWAT.
Thanks, homey! fistbump.gif

I'll readily admit that I'm excessively picky and that I have a strong pro-independent-company bias. Richemont isn't the only luxury conglomerate that sometimes tries to milk its brands as cash cows; I see similar behaviour from Swatch Group and LVMH sometimes, too.
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well said RP. As much as I love IWC, it's hard to argue with this.

Nothing worse then the PAM 318 fiasco though.

There was a point made by foo.gif a while back about the difference between finish quality and degree of embellishment or decoration. I haven't seen the IWC CF3 that Belligro referenced earlier in the metal, but from what I understand the finish quality for IWCs may be good, but movements may not always be decorated (particularly those behind a solid case back). Of course, my comment about finish quality relies heavily on some of the reviews of Walt Odets and other of historic IWC pieces, so may not be necessarily applicable to the current modern production. All I wanted to raise (and I have no horse in this race because I'm fairly neutral on IWC in general) is that I wonder if it's a case that IWC have chosen not to decorate or embellish all of their movements, as opposed to finishing their movements poorly? Just a question or alternative view, that those with more IWC experience can speak more on.

@ Belligro: It is hard to not respond strongly when you're passionate and have a strong opinion, I guess I was just interjecting because I didn't want to see the discussion spiral into a firefight, given that everyone is generally so cordial here.
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A question: is a Sinn 903 an original in its own right, or too much a derivative of Breitling's Navitimer in design?

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The 903 is a special case. Helmut Sinn bought the rights to use the Navitimer design when Breitling was having financial difficulties in the 1970s, so it's certainly not original, but it's legit.
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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

well said RP. As much as I love IWC, it's hard to argue with this.



Nothing worse then the PAM 318 fiasco though.

 



Please clue me in on this fiasco - I don't follow Panerai very closely at all. Feel free to PM if it has already been done to death on this thread.

And by the way - I consider myself a fan of IWC as well - it's just that I am more fond of their past offerings across the board as compared with the current lineup. That said, there are still some of that latter group that have very strong appeal.
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