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Loving this piece at the moment


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Between the IWC Portuguese Chrono and the JLC Master Chrono, I would personally go for the JLC, especially if you were planning on dressing up the watch. It's definitely the more formal of the two, and has a more refined and technically advanced movement. That said, it might also be worth trying on the Portuguese Chronograph Classic, if you like the Portuguese styling and the bi-compax layout:



I tend to prefer bi-compax chronographs because the dial seems less cluttered and more expansive.

I also really like the partially skeletonized/open-worked rotor and movement, which gives the wearer a nice view of the watch mechanics:



(Photos lifted from this Hodinkee review).
Edited by academe - 12/14/14 at 9:10am
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Loving this piece at the moment



Looks sharp mate!
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Maybe I missed it, but has anybody here posted a pic of the limited-release Cartier Crash?

I would punch a baby in the throat for this watch...platinum, 28 X 45mm.....strangely fascinating.

Love that movement shape!

Courtesy of hodinkee:

Someone was a fan of Dali.
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Still enjoing my Daytona. Every day and every minute.

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You are not one to hide your light under a bushel, TAT!  

@Lowndes
 I also like the IWC Portuguese Chrono a lot (the classic one, not the new one with the fancy movement).  But that's the problem for some with the PC: it is inherently a pretty basic watch, with a barely-modified stock movement (as I understand it), but at very much a premium price.  I think there's a feeling among  many aficionados that IWC are charging quite a lot for infinite versions of the same old thing, using generic movements slightly altered and misleading labeled as in-house.  A triumph of marketing over mediocrity.

But, I think that's a little harsh.  Nobody markets harder or more expensively than Rolex, and that shows in the cost of every one of their often simple models, that are rarely ground-breaking.  But nobody denies that they're good watches.  I think what it boils down to for me is that the ultimate test of a watch's value is how much you really like it.  I think the PC is a classic design, very charismatic, and I'd be proud to wear it.  One day, I just might.  Even though the case shape is silly and catches on your shirt sleeve.  But at least you'll always be able to see it.   Ask Kevin Spacey... (Click to show)



Anyway, this is kind of where I was going with my rogues' gallery of demonised watch brands a couple of pages back: there are many reasons to like or dislike a particular maker, and some of them very rational.  But if I happen to have an irrational affection for a watch, be it IWC, Breitling, Tag Heuer...or something really out there (Graham?!), then I think there is a point where true love has to come before TWAT-cred. smile.gif 



The 3714 actually is one of the IWC watches from its past when it did not generally use its own movements. I came close to buying a 3712 (similar except is a split second chrono) several times in the late 90s.

It is a really nice watch and I like it a lot more then the subsequent Portuguese chronographs, like the classic and yacht club. Nevertheless, if the movement is an issue for you, I would understand.

Regarding IWC generally, it has come a long way since then. It is a true manufacture (with the exception of the Portofino models as I understand) and makes some beautiful watches with all kinds of complications. I don't like all their models, but their horological cred is really not debatable.

I think the watch aficionados that you describe who have a problem with IWC don't like the fact that they've gone a certain way with their marketing (celebrities and limited editions) and have become or at least are trying to become a known luxury brand instead of the cult brand they used to be. As far as price, IWC watches were never cheap as long as I have been at this hobby.

I personally don't understand when people say that IWC used to be a great brand when they mostly used standard 7750, 2892 etc movements in their watches. Some of those movements were in fact reworked into amazing models like the grand comp, 3712 and so forth. But mostly they were used as is. In those days the IWC defenders argued that they re-assembled the movements or they made great cases and bracelets. That was the best they could do. That is the good old days?

I will take today's IWC any day.
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The 3714 actually is one of the IWC watches from its past when it did not generally use its own movements. I came close to buying a 3712 (similar except is a split second chrono) several times in the late 90s.

It is a really nice watch and I like it a lot more then the subsequent Portuguese chronographs, like the classic and yacht club. Nevertheless, if the movement is an issue for you, I would understand.

Regarding IWC generally, it has come a long way since then. It is a true manufacture (with the exception of the Portofino models as I understand) and makes some beautiful watches with all kinds of complications. I don't like all their models, but their horological cred is really not debatable.

I think the watch aficionados that you describe who have a problem with IWC don't like the fact that they've gone a certain way with their marketing (celebrities and limited editions) and have become or at least are trying to become a known luxury brand instead of the cult brand they used to be. As far as price, IWC watches were never cheap as long as I have been at this hobby.

I personally don't understand when people say that IWC used to be a great brand when they mostly used standard 7750, 2892 etc movements in their watches. Some of those movements were in fact reworked into amazing models like the grand comp, 3712 and so forth. But mostly they were used as is. In those days the IWC defenders argued that they re-assembled the movements or they made great cases and bracelets. That was the best they could do. That is the good old days?

I will take today's IWC any day.

I think you nailed it here; one really needs to separate the product from the marketing. I think IWC still makes great watches; in fact, as you have said, one could argue they are in fact making far far better watches today than they did in the past, and kudos to them for becoming a true manufacture and upping their game. There is no doubt that they make great watches. However, as you have also noted, what has gotten older IWC collectors' & loyalists' nose out of joint is the blatant marketing of IWC as a luxury brand and explicit pandering to the nouveau riche. That rather infamous video posted here by the current IWC CEO was fairly blatant re: his take on IWC becoming a "life style" brand...Again, though, I don't think we should judge a brand by its celebrity ambassadors. For example, I love AP and we own several, yet I'm not a fan of the majority of their Offshore offerings and the celebrity clientele they use to tout their products. If the OP loves the Portuguese Chrono, just go for it. Don't let a few anonymous voices on the interwebz turn you off your path!
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Agreed. Harmless comment that got the juices going though, I'll say that. For the record I totally see where RX was coming from.



Plus one.
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Speaking of the 1815 Chronograph, this one blew me away when I last tried it on:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)




Stunning, but the ALS Zeitwerk Repeating is my once and forever ALS grail watch.
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Stunning, but the ALS Zeitwerk Repeating is my once and forever ALS grail watch.

Sure; but I was trying to reference watches that I might conceivably own in my life!
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Stunning, but the ALS Zeitwerk Repeating is my once and forever ALS grail watch.

This old thing? (A friend's - and his pic)

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Also, I can't get this one out of my mind.....

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Looks sharp mate!

Thanks Cleav!
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That last ALS looks vintage.
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