Aha I see. Too bad he cant keep it. Its a nice watch, i have the 3777.
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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, JLC etc...) - Page 2589post #38822 of 4831212/11/14 at 7:37ampost #38823 of 4831212/11/14 at 8:00amQuote:Originally Posted by Journeyman
This would be fine - albeit quite generic - without the obnoxious branding. Interestingly, Gerald Genta apparently designed the watch (or a predecessor model) and decided on the branding around the bezel as it reminded him of a Roman coin with the emperor's name around the perimeter of the coin:
While the Bvlgari Bvlgari watch branding might not appeal to many of us, it is still iconic for the brand and a tremendous seller...much like Chanel or Hermes logo items. Which might be too flashy for some of us, but there are a lot of people who choose those items. It can be great to have very elegant, subtle watches, but I suppose it can be fun to have something bold or even a bit flashy too.
The watch Genta created for them started as a basic time only dress watch, not the watch that is in the image above, and then name on the bezel theme was adapted for use on other watches such as their sports watches (as shown below), their Tubogas and other models.
I also recall seeing one of the most stylish men, who was giant in the world of men's retails stores, Murray Pearlstein, wearing the model below many years ago. He owned and ran Louis Boston, and was a guy who knew more about menswear, fashion, and how to put together truly great looking clothing, than most stylish men could ever hope to learn in the course of a lifetime. While not a watch for me it did look great on him.
For me the 2 faults of this model, were an ordinary movement (most were basic ETA quartz or automatics), and the cool bracelet had such sharp edges it was known to cause shirt cuffs to fray rather quickly. For a man, I probably like the design below or their Scuba variation, more than their current offerings. That octagonal design is interesting but at that kind of money, I can't see to many people purchasing a Bvlgari or Genta brand watch.
As for Mimo's question, I don't think I would excommunicate anyone for purchasing a brand I don't care for. However, I can say most of the brands he suggested offer little or nothing that would interest me enough to get me to consider a purchase from them.Quote:
Sounds like your AD doesn't get in many watches or he get. I've heard the same BS at other places from time to time. However, if you do some traveling visit ADs in various cities and you will find one. Last time I heard that there was a wait list for a 5711 or a 5712/1A...I happened to visit Las Vegas, and between the 3 Patek ADs in the city, there was 1 of every Nautilus model available for sale. While I have seen more white dial 5711s available at ADs, I've also occasionally seen blue dial 5711s available too. So look around and you might locate one on your own well before 2-3 years have passed.post #38824 of 4831212/11/14 at 8:39ampost #38825 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:11ampost #38826 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:19ampost #38827 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:22ampost #38828 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:27amQuote:
Try both on, not just for size of the actual watch case, but for fit of the clasp. The inner butterfly folding mechanism is different on the 15300 vs. the 15400. Depending on wrist size, some people did not find the more curved inner part of the 15300 very comfortable. The inner part of the clasp on the 15400 while less decorative, is flatter and some people find it more comfortable.
I like the proportions of the 15300 more than the 15400. However, I like the dial and feel of the butterfly clasp on the 15400 more than that of the 15300. Either way you can't go wrong!
As for new vs.pre-owned. I favor new over pre-owned, although if you want a 15300, that could be very tough or impossible to find as its been out of production for more than 2 years. New obviously, you have a full warranty, and all boxes, papers, hangtags (I have to have all that stuff...although lots of pre-owned 15300s should still have that stuff). Pre-owned, you save some money, if something goes wrong or its close to needing a service, AP service is expensive. Also, if you go pre-owned, don't let anyone other than AP ever polish it. Lots of guys can do a decent job with an average case or bracelet (although plenty can't), but there are so many complex angles, edges, and different finishes, that I'd never let anyone but AP polish a RO. I've seen some pretty badly mangled ROs after a quick polish by a local watchmaker.
Good luck with your journey!post #38829 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:31ampost #38830 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:34ampost #38831 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:36amQuote:
I know the tail on seconds hand of the 15300 isn't a big deal, but I just could not get past it either. It always bothered me. Nice to know I'm not the only one who is crazy when it comes to small details!post #38832 of 4831212/11/14 at 10:37ampost #38833 of 4831212/11/14 at 11:41amThanks for the replies, gents. Much appreciated.
Here are my considerations at present.
Re: 15400 v 15300
I know there is talk about bracelet/strap comfort amongst watch dudes, but personally I have never put on a watch that felt uncomfortable, and I have put on many. Maybe I just have lucky wrists. In any case, that would be the only practical consideration, the rest are aesthetic. And on that note....
- I like the size of the 15300 better. Even though I have never seen them in person, I have handled enough watches to know that 39mm is what I would prefer, though as an owner of a 44mm PAM I also know that the 41mm 15400 would be fine as well.
- I like the AP at 12 o'clock better than the double baton.
- I like the AP folding clasp better than the bar
- I like the fact the there is no mini marker before the date window on the 15300
- I have no preference between tail or no tail on the second hand
These are are pretty small things though, and I have no doubt that I would love the 400 as well, I really need to find a way to see them in the flesh. There are no local dealers, so thats not an option. I know someone that could bring in both for me, but I would feel a little not right not kopping either from him if he went thought the trouble, so Id rather not do that until I am ready to kop.
Re: New v Used
Its really just money I guess. NIB I am guessing will run me in the 13-14k range and I think I could find pre-owned for 10-11k. I had always been a new only guy, but after so many years in the buy/sell biz, pre-owned no longer phases me, and it makes it a lot easier to flip without taking a hit.
Idk, Im conflicted. I hope I end up with on or the other sooner than later.post #38834 of 4831212/11/14 at 11:47ampost #38835 of 4831212/11/14 at 11:51am
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