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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Based on the pic posted? Really?
I mean come on. Maybe in person but no way you could telling me the watch looks special based on that pic especially at a glance. lol8[1].gif


Again I admit the A Lange is far more superior in every way and 9.9 times out of 10 I'll take the A Lange (though I believe Portofino cost about 1/6th of the price of Lange?) but that pic is a terrible representation of the watch.

The Lange studio pics look "plasticky" compared to real-life photos. I suppose my impression of the new 38.5mm Dual Time came from seeing the older model in the metal, where it looked much more like this:



I suppose I do see the design similarities with the Portofino, though the Patek Dual Time or JLC Master Hometime were what first came to mind because of the dial layout.
Edited by academe - 12/10/14 at 12:03am
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IWC isn't headed in the right direction as of now. 1/6th the price of Lange or not, I wouldn't consider it money particularly well-spent. It's a shame.

I have seen and worn both, and while there certainly are aspects that are similar (like the round case), even a cursory review of the two reveals a world of difference in precision of both execution and design.

I'm no watch snob, and I love the gamut from Seiko to Patek, but I still rend to agree that there's not much of a comparison between the two beyond "at a glance".
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Man, no one said the IWC is a bargain at 1/6th of the price, point was that no one should expect it to be on the same level with that price difference when the discussion started mentioning every little detail including movements and finishes.

I mean seriously, ya'll acting like I just said Lange is an Invicta by saying I thought it looked like the Portofino not to mention the Lange pic posted is shit.






All I said based on that crappy pic was...

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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Reminds me of the Portofino.


Granted it wasn't even a knock on it because I like the Portofino.

Sorry if that offended anyone and I apologize for not zooming in on the pics or enlarging it 1000% and staring at it for a few minutes and looking up hundreds of pics on google to discern every little detail on the watch that makes it different.


Next time post a great pic like this so there is no mistaking it.



Edited by RFX45 - 12/10/14 at 12:49am
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I can easily see how the Lange could be remindful of the Portofino.

On the subject of date window placement: There are more than a few ALS models whose date placement I've found wanting. I can't tell you how many times I've tried on the Datograph only to take it off and hand it back, shaking my head.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Man, no one said the IWC is a bargain at 1/6th of the price, point was that no one should expect it to be on the same level with that price difference when the discussion started mentioning every little detail including movements and finishes. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I mean seriously, ya'll acting like I just said Lange is an Invicta by saying I thought it looked like the Portofino not to mention the Lange pic posted is shit.






All I said based on that crappy pic was...
Granted it wasn't even a knock on it because I like the Portofino.

Sorry if that offended anyone and I apologize for not zooming in on the pics or enlarging it 1000% and staring at it for a few minutes and looking up hundreds of pics on google to discern every little detail on the watch that makes it different.


Next time post a great pic like this so there is no mistaking it.


I hear ya, and of course they look pretty bloody similar. Definitely no offence taken — although I could see Lange being slightly miffed at the comparison despite being owned by the same evil luxury conglomerate. :P

Also, a bit of banter can be an entertaining break from the typical "I have trouble choosing a strap on my own" fare that passes for watch discussion on most forums.

All I was saying is that at first glance "in the wild" (apologies for using that cliché), the Lange looked the business while the IWC looked a bit dumpy, and that was well before I was able to ID them and have my anti-Portofino racism take effect. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

[...]On the subject of date window placement: There are more than a few ALS models whose date placement I've found wanting. I can't tell you how many times I've tried on the Datograph only to take it off and hand it back, shaking my head.

Yes, although I love the Datograph (including the date arrangement) I can understand how one could have issues with that design decision.

What I'm talking about is that thing where the date cutout clearly shows that a company just slapped some generic movement in a bulky case and called it a day. I wouldn't even call that a decision; it's just lazy watchmaking. I know it's common, but it still looks like crap to me every time. Many re-issues of historic watches are ruined in this manner — middling Swatch brands are especially prone to this.
Edited by Belligero - 12/10/14 at 3:58am
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Low-baller that I am, I have nonetheless held and fondled many wondrous things in the horological realm.  And few, if any, have felt as precious as a Lange.  PP has the feel, too.  And many have impressive finishing, or pleasing design.  But the combination of visually-captivating movements, perfect precision and striking personality, is something in which Lange excel.  Of course they're not all for everyone - by many standards, the likes of the Langematik, Datograph, even the 1815, are simply too detail-heavy and busy to be "proper" luxury dress watches. But each to his own.  I could stare into that Datograph for hours, and probably have over a number of separate occasions despite never being close to owning one.  Anyway, let's not pretend that this is anything but a complex emotional relationship, and whatever one's preferred measures of "good" in a watch, the heart will always rule.

 

Anyway, just wondering cf. IWC: it remains controversial, and I'm wondering where the TWAT mainstream currently draws the line for acceptable koppage?  Of course, opinions will vary, but I'd like to pose this question to the hivemind:

 

The purchase of a current watch by which of the following makers, regardless of model, would lead to inevitable excommunication from the brotherhood of TWAT?

 

- Baume & Mercier 

- Breitling

- Tag Heuer

- Hublot

- Perrelet

- Graham

- Eberhard

- Louis Erard

- DuBois et Fils

- [suggestions for other mainstream "luxury" makers that are firmly on the "no" list]

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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Man, no one said the IWC is a bargain at 1/6th of the price, point was that no one should expect it to be on the same level with that price difference when the discussion started mentioning every little detail including movements and finishes.

I mean seriously, ya'll acting like I just said Lange is an Invicta by saying I thought it looked like the Portofino not to mention the Lange pic posted is shit.






All I said based on that crappy pic was...
Granted it wasn't even a knock on it because I like the Portofino.

Sorry if that offended anyone and I apologize for not zooming in on the pics or enlarging it 1000% and staring at it for a few minutes and looking up hundreds of pics on google to discern every little detail on the watch that makes it different.


Next time post a great pic like this so there is no mistaking it.



Dudes need to chill-out. wink.gif As the original poster of the crappy Lange pic, I'll come out and say that I wasn't offended by what RFX45 wrote and didn't take the Portofino comparison badly. I only posted the stock photo because I wasn't aware that Lange had released any "in the metal" shots of the new Dual Time; from the style of photography I take it you got your photos from Watchprosite? Will have to go over there and check out the reviews.
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Low-baller that I am, I have nonetheless held and fondled many wondrous things in the horological realm.  And few, if any, have felt as precious as a Lange.  PP has the feel, too.  And many have impressive finishing, or pleasing design.  But the combination of visually-captivating movements, perfect precision and striking personality, is something in which Lange excel.  Of course they're not all for everyone - by many standards, the likes of the Langematik, Datograph, even the 1815, are simply too detail-heavy and busy to be "proper" luxury dress watches. But each to his own.  I could stare into that Datograph for hours, and probably have over a number of separate occasions despite never being close to owning one.  Anyway, let's not pretend that this is anything but a complex emotional relationship, and whatever one's preferred measures of "good" in a watch, the heart will always rule.

Anyway, just wondering cf. IWC: it remains controversial, and I'm wondering where the TWAT mainstream currently draws the line for acceptable koppage?  Of course, opinions will vary, but I'd like to pose this question to the hivemind:

The purchase of a current watch by which of the following makers, regardless of model, would lead to inevitable excommunication from the brotherhood of TWAT?

- Baume & Mercier 
- Breitling
- Tag Heuer
- Hublot
- Perrelet
- Graham
- Eberhard
- Louis Erard
- DuBois et Fils
- [suggestions for other mainstream "luxury" makers that are firmly on the "no" list]
Ha, sweet.

Ball, Bell&Ross, Bremont and Bulgari (to name just a few other "B"s) are obviously on the "no" list, but that's not bad for a start. wink.gif

While we're on that letter, a note about Breitling: Although they have some real dogs, they're an independent company that's not too prone to biting (the Navitimer is an original as well as a legitimate chrono-design classic) and I respect that. I see their blingy/bulky models as being similar to much of AP's Offshore range; they pay the bills.
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Ha, sweet.

Ball, Bell&Ross, Bremont and Bulgari (to name just a few other "B"s) are obviously on the "no" list, but that's not bad for a start. wink.gif

While we're on that letter, a note about Breitling: Although they have some real dogs, they're an independent company that's not too prone to biting (the Navitimer is an original as well as a legitimate chrono-design classic) and I respect that. I see their blingy/bulky models as being similar to much of AP's Offshore range; they pay the bills.

 

By the last picture I posted you can see that I am in agreement.  I really like the Superocean Heritage, Transocean and Navitimer series, but on the otherhand if I never saw another Colt, Super Avenger or Galactic (to name a few), I would be thrilled.  For the most part I wouldn't let a brands worst examples push me away from it if there is something that really hits my brain the right way.

 

Feel the same way about Tag Heuer and the Monaco.

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Agreed. Harmless comment that got the juices going though, I'll say that. For the record I totally see where RX was coming from.


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Originally Posted by academe View Post

Dudes need to chill-out. wink.gif As the original poster of the crappy Lange pic, I'll come out and say that I wasn't offended by what RFX45 wrote and didn't take the Portofino comparison badly. I only posted the stock photo because I wasn't aware that Lange had released any "in the metal" shots of the new Dual Time; from the style of photography I take it you got your photos from Watchprosite? Will have to go over there and check out the reviews.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Man, no one said the IWC is a bargain at 1/6th of the price, point was that no one should expect it to be on the same level with that price difference when the discussion started mentioning every little detail including movements and finishes.

I mean seriously, ya'll acting like I just said Lange is an Invicta by saying I thought it looked like the Portofino not to mention the Lange pic posted is shit.






All I said based on that crappy pic was...
Granted it wasn't even a knock on it because I like the Portofino.

Sorry if that offended anyone and I apologize for not zooming in on the pics or enlarging it 1000% and staring at it for a few minutes and looking up hundreds of pics on google to discern every little detail on the watch that makes it different.


Next time post a great pic like this so there is no mistaking it.



It's interesting that the Lange is set to the exact same point in time in all of these pics.
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Originally Posted by Belligero View Post

Ha, sweet.

Ball, Bell&Ross, Bremont and Bulgari (to name just a few other "B"s) are obviously on the "no" list, but that's not bad for a start. wink.gif

While we're on that letter, a note about Breitling: Although they have some real dogs, they're an independent company that's not too prone to biting (the Navitimer is an original as well as a legitimate chrono-design classic) and I respect that. I see their blingy/bulky models as being similar to much of AP's Offshore range; they pay the bills.

Agreed re: Breitling. The Navitimer is a real classic, and the Transocean series is a nice reinterpretation of the mid-twentieth century chronos that made their name. Kudos to them for becoming a full manufacture, too.
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

The purchase of a current watch by which of the following makers, regardless of model, would lead to inevitable excommunication from the brotherhood of TWAT?


- Breitling
- Hublot

I like certain models from these makers, and don't think they belong with the rest on your list.

I saw Ball watches mentioned - they look nice in photos, but look terrible in the metal. It's really strange.
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