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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I have a question, gentlemen, on which I would like your opinion.
One of my favorite watches is a cal. 321 pre-moon Speedmaster. meaning it was the model that was tested and first used in the space program rather than the model that commemorates it, i.e., it uses the cal. 321 not the subsequent 861 movement, and has the seamonster logo on the back, rather than the "first watch used on the moon" commenmorative verbiage that came later. It just gave out on me this weekend and I brought it in to the Omega boutique for service. It will, no doubt, cost a lot to work on and will have to go back to Switzerland. That is expected and not an issue for me as chronograph service is expensive and old ones, more so. I know that I will not want them to buff the case, though I don't care if they replace the crystal. I probably don't care if they replace the hands. My question is, what should I let them do with the dial? This model has an applied Omega logo, which is rare, even among the pre-moon speedies. It is also, IMO, nicer than the printed logo. If they have to remove that, I will say no. But what about repainting the lume? The lume is long dead and flaking in places, though it is still perfectly legible (the lume has flaked off the hour and minute hands, making them kind of skeletal). The rest of the dial printing is very good. On the one hand, I am kind of the view that anything done by the factory "counts" as original, or at least genuine, and, frankly, in keeping with the utilitarian nature of the watch, making it more legible is good. But I also think of this watch as somewhat historic, especially the dial.
So . . . if they want to repaint the dial or the lume, should I let them?

BTW, my experience with Omega service in Switzerland for their vintage watches has been outstanding. It was always better than expected, so I am not so worried about quality.
So . . got back the estimate/proposal. they say that " Exchange of the dial is necessary." The part they intend to use is: DIAL BLACK PT.LUM.321SYMB APPL PROF
I have been in touch with the rep here in NY and said that unless they are giving me the exact same dial (i.e. original to the model), I don't want it replaced and I want the original returned. I expect they can't give me a replacement original dial for the same reason they are unlikely to be able to return the original dial - tritium. So I have asked for other options, including just cleaning it.
In any case minimum wait is 18 weeks.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

So . . got back the estimate/proposal. they say that " Exchange of the dial is necessary." The part they intend to use is: DIAL BLACK PT.LUM.321SYMB APPL PROF
I have been in touch with the rep here in NY and said that unless they are giving me the exact same dial (i.e. original to the model), I don't want it replaced and I want the original returned. I expect they can't give me a replacement original dial for the same reason they are unlikely to be able to return the original dial - tritium. So I have asked for other options, including just cleaning it.
In any case minimum wait is 18 weeks.

@dopey : You should consider sending it to an independent instead.

Al @ Archer Watches is very well regarded on the forums and I believe RogerP has used his services before. You can see the service/restoration he did on a damaged Speedy.

These guys are also worth a look: http://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/library

Pics of 3 pre-moon 321 Speedys they've worked on:
http://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/library?action=show_photos&wat_id=559
http://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/library?action=show_photos&wat_id=710
http://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/library?action=show_photos&wat_id=790
post #38478 of 48312
Now you tell me. It is already in Switzerland!
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post

thread tl; dr, so I'll ask. what should I be considering for a used $5-6k watch? My daily watch is a Cartier Pasha Seatimer, so thinking a different style. IWC 3714?
Reverso.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

Now you tell me. It is already in Switzerland!

Sorry dood, didn't know Omega would insist on changing the dial. Still don't understand why though.

Is it really that badly damaged? I think most collectors advise against replacing original dials, both for value/collectability, as well as sentimental considerations. No real consensus re reluming.

Looks like they replaced the old tritium dial on this one with a new luminova dial, albeit with period correct applied logo and no 'professional' wording:
http://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/library?action=show_photos&wat_id=559

Maybe that's what Omega wants to swap into your watch?
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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Reverso.

Good thought - certainly worth considering.

I have a line on a Pam 001 (C-series) in good condition for ~4k. Thoughts on going for an older model?
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post

thread tl; dr, so I'll ask. what should I be considering for a used $5-6k watch? My daily watch is a Cartier Pasha Seatimer, so thinking a different style. IWC 3714?
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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Reverso.


Certainly an option, but there is so much in that range, it really depends on your personal tastes. Rolex, JLC, Panny, IWC..... just have to choose the model that suits you best, John.
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

So . . got back the estimate/proposal. they say that " Exchange of the dial is necessary." The part they intend to use is: DIAL BLACK PT.LUM.321SYMB APPL PROF
I have been in touch with the rep here in NY and said that unless they are giving me the exact same dial (i.e. original to the model), I don't want it replaced and I want the original returned. I expect they can't give me a replacement original dial for the same reason they are unlikely to be able to return the original dial - tritium. So I have asked for other options, including just cleaning it.
In any case minimum wait is 18 weeks.

Yep.
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Originally Posted by Wes Bourne View Post

Sorry dood, didn't know Omega would insist on changing the dial. Still don't understand why though.

Is it really that badly damaged? I think most collectors advise against replacing original dials, both for value/collectability, as well as sentimental considerations. No real consensus re reluming.

Looks like they replaced the old tritium dial on this one with a new luminova dial, albeit with period correct applied logo and no 'professional' wording:
http://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/library?action=show_photos&wat_id=559

Maybe that's what Omega wants to swap into your watch?
I think so. There are other differences, too, like the "step" by the minutes hashmarks on the outer ring.
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Personally, I would just have them get the thing running and call it a day, leaving everything original.
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Looks fantastic mate, don't forsake your classic ol' friend though wink.gif

 

This reminds me of a FourSeiko joke somebody told me once :D

post #38487 of 48312
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post


Good thought - certainly worth considering.

I have a line on a Pam 001 (C-series) in good condition for ~4k. Thoughts on going for an older model?

As others said, there are several good options in your price range.  A lot of older basic PAMs use a solid "work horse" but ordinary Unitas movement.  I'd much rather have a Rolex, JLC Reverso, or possibly an IWC.  But if you love the PAM go for it.  

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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I think so. There are other differences, too, like the "step" by the minutes hashmarks on the outer ring.

Another reason to use an independent : getting your original parts (i.e. dial, hands, etc) back when they required replacement is fairly normal, not an exception.

Afaik, most manufacturers won't return your original parts when they've replaced them.

Al @ Archer Watches' take on the matter:

'Service center, or independent? -One of the issues with using a manufacturer for service is their "take it or leave it" attitude with what they feel has to be done. They in effect hold you hostage, and if you don’t agree with all that they recommend, they will refuse to do the service. There are reports of things like a watch that needed a new crown getting a complete service that would seem to be completely unnecessary. Be aware that built into the cost of every factory service are the exchange of parts that are replaced whether they need it or not. This is one reason why factory service can be much more expensive than using an independent who replaces only what needs to be replaced. So if you plan on using the factory, you are already paying a premium for parts replacement that is built into the service cost, so if some parts are worn, they won’t charge you any extra. However you are already paying much more to start with.'
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Gentlemen,

 

I was idly browsing some vintage watches recently and came across a very interesting vintage watch that is supposedly by Ulysse Nardin.

 

I was very tempted by it, but I held off as I was uncertain as to whether it was, indeed, made by UN and I don't want to buy a frankenwatch, even if it is a cool-looking watch!

 

The movement and case-back both appear to be unsigned, although I'm well aware that was not uncommon with vintage watches.

 

I'm not sure if anyone here can help verify whether this is a genuine UN model or not, but any help/advice is greatly appreciated.

 

Here are some photos:

 

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^^^ Interesting. I hope someone can help you figure that out. I haven't the foggiest idea.
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