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I would highly advise against this: dark brown is even worse with black. It is particularly egregious clashing, as the saturation levels are so close. Would you wear a dark brown belt with black shoes? Hope not!

Srsly? I think a very dark brown watch strap, like very dark, not a chocolatey color, would be quite unoffensive with a fit that had black shoes and belt. Ive done it and I am not even embarrassed to say so!

But no, I would never wear a dark brown belt with black shoes, though I think its not quite the same with a watch.

Ymmv I guess.
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How long does it usually take to transfer from the U.S. to France?

Money? No idea. The Euro wires I have done were to other countries and they took 48 hours max iirc.
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1. No. I dont understand the question, why would that bother me?

2. I see more fake Hublots and Panerais than fake Rolexes.

A while back I researched fake watches out of curiosity. Overall it's a fascinating and deep world. Three findings stood out:

- generally, the replica manufacturers don't have a problem getting the right shapes for the cases/bracelets. They might use software to get the machining exact. What distinguishes the "better" fakes is the smaller details on the dial, hands, etc.

- the most accurate fakes available are Panerais. They've developed 99.999% replicas of the base luminors, down to the movement finishing. They seem to have done a quite good job (95%+) on some of the 1950s luminors, including such details as the domed acrylic crystal, etc. If you read the PAM discussions, it seems like the focus/objective is to deceive potential buyers looking for a genuine watch. Lots of debate over the exact right color shade for the jewels, getting the case engravings right, using an ETA or other movement with the right beat rate, etc.

- the holy grail for replica buyers is an authentic looking Rolex sub. Seems like the favored approach is to get a solid "base" for the watch and then install an authentic bezel, dial, and crystal, each of which appear to be readily available on the forums. Ends up costing >$1k all in, but the resulting frankenwatch would be basically indistinguishable from authentic.
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It's almost as bad as waiting for a wire transfer to clear.

LOL, unfortunately I'm seldom on the receiving end of those. smile.gif Well, looking forward to seeing it all assembled. In any event, I share your pain. This is day 11 of my "10 days to 2 weeks" delivery estimate. I woke up with a really good vibe that today would be the day. Hmm I wonder what time of day the store receives registered mail?
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Srsly? I think a very dark brown watch strap, like very dark, not a chocolatey color, would be quite unoffensive with a fit that had black shoes and belt. Ive done it and I am not even embarrassed to say so!

But no, I would never wear a dark brown belt with black shoes, though I think its not quite the same with a watch.

Ymmv I guess.

Why would you think of your leather watch strap any differently then you would your leather belt? Brown leather and black leather clash against each other, regardless of the forms they take.

There is also the issue of coherence. Black leather (versus brown or tan) denotes greater formality. You can mix different browns and tans together more easily partially because they are more casual and are thus expected to be combined with less care. The rules are more lax. Black, on the other hand, is generally worn in more restrictive, conservative contexts. Adding brown leather to the mix makes it look like you don't know what you're doing.
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

A while back I researched fake watches out of curiosity. Overall it's a fascinating and deep world. Three findings stood out: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
- generally, the replica manufacturers don't have a problem getting the right shapes for the cases/bracelets. They might use software to get the machining exact. What distinguishes the "better" fakes is the smaller details on the dial, hands, etc.

- the most accurate fakes available are Panerais. They've developed 99.999% replicas of the base luminors, down to the movement finishing. They seem to have done a quite good job (95%+) on some of the 1950s luminors, including such details as the domed acrylic crystal, etc. If you read the PAM discussions, it seems like the focus/objective is to deceive potential buyers looking for a genuine watch. Lots of debate over the exact right color shade for the jewels, getting the case engravings right, using an ETA or other movement with the right beat rate, etc.

- the holy grail for replica buyers is an authentic looking Rolex sub. Seems like the favored approach is to get a solid "base" for the watch and then install an authentic bezel, dial, and crystal, each of which appear to be readily available on the forums. Ends up costing >$1k all in, but the resulting frankenwatch would be basically indistinguishable from authentic.

Im not saying its not a conversation point, its an important phenomena, Im just wondering why it would ever deter someone from buying the real thing? You just need to make sure you get it from a place you know you can trust. Either an AD or an irreproachable second hand seller.
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Why would you think of your leather watch strap any differently then you would your leather belt? Brown leather and black leather clash against each other, regardless of the forms they take.

There is also the issue of coherence. Black leather (versus brown or tan) denotes greater formality. You can mix different browns and tans together more easily partially because they are more casual and are thus expected to be combined with less care. The rules are more lax. Black, on the other hand, is generally worn in more restrictive, conservative contexts. Adding brown leather to the mix makes it look like you don't know what you're doing.

I guess because its mostly hidden, and due to its rather small size, certainly as compared to a belt, I find it unlikely to be an issue when being worn with a black belt/shoes.

Ill get a pic of the brown strap I personally wear with black shoes. Then you can really rail on me.
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I guess because its mostly hidden, and due to its rather small size, certainly as compared to a belt, I find it unlikely to be an issue when being worn with a black belt/shoes.

Devil is in the details!
post #37042 of 48312
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Devil is in the details!

I think that in this case, we are understanding that classic phrase, quite differently. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

I think that in this case, we are understanding that classic phrase, quite differently. smile.gif

All I mean is that dressing well requires getting the details right. The fact that your watch strap, or socks, or belt buckle, or whatever, are less noticeable than other things does not make them less important. In fact, I'd argue that being thoughtful of such things is exactly what separates the very good from the excellent.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

VC was definitely using it by at least 1921, hence their Historiques American 1921.
I've been sniffing around this watch for the last year or so, when a friend of mine picked one up. I've never been particularly attracted to cushion cases or driving watches before but this one is piquing my interest.

My friend has the special edition which was made for the NYC boutique. I've tried it on a few times and am kinda taken with it.






However, I think I might prefer the standard model, though I've yet to try one on.




Hmmmm.....
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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post


I've been sniffing around this watch for the last year or so, when a friend of mine picked one up. I've never been particularly attracted to cushion cases or driving watches before but this one is piquing my interest.

My friend has the special edition which was made for the NYC boutique. I've tried it on a few times and am kinda taken with it.



However, I think I might prefer the standard model, though I've yet to try one on.




Hmmmm.....

You have no idea how badly I want this watch. Ugh.

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

being thoughtful of such things is exactly what separates the very good from the excellent.
The devil (or God) is in the details.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Im not saying its not a conversation point, its an important phenomena, Im just wondering why it would ever deter someone from buying the real thing? You just need to make sure you get it from a place you know you can trust. Either an AD or an irreproachable second hand seller.

Oh I agree - my post was just a tangent since you mentioned fake PAMs. Agree with you both on buying the real thing*, and on working with reputable 2nd hand dealers, which is especially important given how sophisticated fakes are getting.

* the one caveat is that having read up on fakes does probably bias me slightly toward watches with features that can't be cheaply reproduced. E.g., unique materials, thin movements, certain complications, etc. In a way it helps inform the answer to the question "what am I getting for my money?"
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post


A while back I researched fake watches out of curiosity. Overall it's a fascinating and deep world. Three findings stood out:

- generally, the replica manufacturers don't have a problem getting the right shapes for the cases/bracelets. They might use software to get the machining exact. What distinguishes the "better" fakes is the smaller details on the dial, hands, etc.

- the most accurate fakes available are Panerais. They've developed 99.999% replicas of the base luminors, down to the movement finishing. They seem to have done a quite good job (95%+) on some of the 1950s luminors, including such details as the domed acrylic crystal, etc. If you read the PAM discussions, it seems like the focus/objective is to deceive potential buyers looking for a genuine watch. Lots of debate over the exact right color shade for the jewels, getting the case engravings right, using an ETA or other movement with the right beat rate, etc.

- the holy grail for replica buyers is an authentic looking Rolex sub. Seems like the favored approach is to get a solid "base" for the watch and then install an authentic bezel, dial, and crystal, each of which appear to be readily available on the forums. Ends up costing >$1k all in, but the resulting frankenwatch would be basically indistinguishable from authentic.

 

I find it really fascinating, not because id like to buy a fake watch, but because it just shows the true intangible value of these pieces. Even if they one day achieve the 100% replication, it still won't actually  be a Panerai or Rolex. I find that really interesting for some reason.

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

All I mean is that dressing well requires getting the details right. The fact that your watch strap, or socks, or belt buckle, or whatever, are less noticeable than other things does not make them less important. In fact, I'd argue that being thoughtful of such things is exactly what separates the very good from the excellent.

I know what you meant, mayne.

What I am saying is, that wearing a very dark brown watch strap, with black shoes/belt, is so not an issue, that it does not really even deserve consideration, unless you are at at black tie event in a tux.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

I know what you meant, mayne.

What I am saying is, that wearing a very dark brown watch strap, with black shoes/belt, is so not an issue, that it does not really even deserve consideration, unless you are at at black tie event in a tux.

It's a matter of how high your standards are. Most people don't give a shit about the things people debate on this forum and cannot tell you the difference between a worsted and woolen flannel. However, if we are aiming to dress particularly well, it seems that we should be particularly thoughtful of these sorts of things.

Would you admit that a black watch strap looks better with black shoes and a black belt than a brown one would?
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