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On the two tones and all gold models you can almost always get a discount. 

It really depends on the dealer.  I used to go to one place and you could get 10% off all steel Rolex models except Daytonas.  You didn't even have to ask, they would have a price tag on them that reflected a 10% discount.  Sadly, around 3 years ago they lost their Rolex account after more than 50 years as an AD for Rolex.  Most ADs near me are big chains and they will not discount all steel models at all.  I do hear of people getting discounts, but it really depends on the dealer (and some offer smaller discounts than they used to offer). 

I wear my 15202 for everything, but I probably wouldn't wear it at the beach because it does not have a screw down crown.  I know its WR to 50m, so it should be fine just for basic swimming, but I wouldn't wear something that costly in the water unless it had a screw down crown.  I'm just super cautious with nice things...but others may feel more comfortable wearing theirs to swim in the ocean. 

Such different watches...that its difficult to compare.  ROs are luxury sports watches that are versatile enough to wear with a suit, but look great with jeans, a T shirt and leather jacket.  The 1815, is purely a dress watch.  The only Lange that I really love the looks of, are Lange 1s, so I've never seriously considered an 1815 up/down although their workman ship is fantastic.  I think you have to consider whether you would wear a dress watch as often as a luxury sports watch...do you wear a suit and tie each day, do you attend a lot of dressy functions? If yes, the 1815 could be the right choice.  I don't have to wear a suit and tie everyday and I don't attend too many dressy functions per year...but I am often still drawn to some dress watches...I just know they won't get worn all that often.   Do you have a true dress watch?  If you do not have a true dress watch, then that might be another reason to go with the Lange.  That being said, I own a RO (15202) and its been one of the best watch purchases I've ever made.  No regrets, no buyers remorse, its quality justifies its price...and it gets most of my wrist time.  However, not knowing your work environment, if you have a very active lifestyle, and what watches you currently own its hard to give an opinion on how I would proceed if I were in your shoes.  

Thanks for the response. I wear suit and tie everyday to work but don't otherwise attend many dressy events. My main watches are an IWC vintage series Inge and a GO pilots watch, as well as a Seamaster for weekend wear. That is to say, I don't have a dedicated dress watch but do have watches that I find suitable for most occasions.

I actually tend to think there is more overlap between the ALS and Audemar than you do. Surely the Lange is dressier but I don't view it as a pure dress watch. The arabics and subdials have some of the same design qualities as deck watches like a Portuguese, and avoid making he watch too austere.

On the royal oak front, it seems like only the ultra thin is a contender for folks who have chimed in but I feel like the 15400 is a more compelling alternative to the Lange because of its attractive price.
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On the royal oak front, it seems like only the ultra thin is a contender for folks who have chimed in but I feel like the 15400 is a more compelling alternative to the Lange because of its attractive price.

I'm a 15400 owner but admittedly it is a bit different aesthetic (which I happen to prefer). I certainly appreciate the provenance of the 15202 as well but the 15400 won out for me in the end, and with the leftover funds I purchased another watch. smile.gif
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I think you can dress down an 1815 pretty effectively. Its versatility is similar to the Portuguese's.

The RO looks okay with a suit, but better with a polo shirt. No matter how you cut it, its still a sport watch with a metal bracelet. However, I would not wear it underwater or while doing anything active. If nothing else, the bracelet would get all scratched and dinged up. As others have pointed out, despite its styling, the RO is no more durable than any dress watch with the same movement inside.

Hence, I think the 1815 is the more useful watch. What I don't like is the cut-off six. The original Up/Down was the perfect iteration--no interrupted numerals.
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I think you can dress down an 1815 pretty effectively. Its versatility is similar to the Portuguese's.

The RO looks okay with a suit, but better with a polo shirt. No matter how you cut it, its still a sport watch with a metal bracelet. However, I would not wear it underwater or while doing anything active. If nothing else, the bracelet would get all scratched and dinged up. As others have pointed out, despite its styling, the RO is no more durable than any dress watch with the same movement inside.

Hence, I think the 1815 is the more useful watch. What I don't like is the cut-off six. The original Up/Down was the perfect iteration--no interrupted numerals.

You mean the slightly cut off 7 and 5? For some reason, it doesn't bother me at all as it is extremely minor and adds a bit of quirkiness in my eyes, which I like.

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You mean the slightly cut off 7 and 5? For some reason, it doesn't bother me at all as it is extremely minor and adds a bit of quirkiness in my eyes, which I like. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


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For me personally, I much prefer the new version of the 1815 up/down. The size is much better for someone my size (6'3), yet 39mm is still classic and not oversized. The 36mm was too small for my taste. Also, I like the pop of red on the power reserve sub-dial and finally and most importantly, the all new movement is improved including a full 72 hour power reserve, rather than the 45 hours of the old one. Like I said, the very slightly cut off 7 and 5 don't bother me at all.

But really both are lovely watches and you can't go wrong.
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I think the RO is prettier than the 1815 but certainly less versatile in practice. The sharp edges and complex finishing make it prone to dings, and IMO it's a watch that looks far better in a shiny and pristine condition, whereas I wouldn't mind some "character" on an 1815 or similar classic dress watch.
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I'd agree with this and it's a reason why the RO's have never appealed to me. I'm not very careful when wearing my watches with the exception of dress watches. They get banged around a lot. The RO's have always been a neither here nor there watch for me, and therefore have never been something I'd really consider. The Nautilus is a step up for me in terms of what I'd feel comfortable wearing around with a little less care (screw down crown, as Dino mentioned comes in to play as well), and the Overseas I wouldn't worry about at all.

As for the screw down crown, I was specific in saying that the 15202 does not have a screw down crown.  Other ROs such as the 15400, which the OP mentioned, does have a screw down crown.  In addition, it has a much more robust case and bracelet as its not an ultra thin model.  

 

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Thanks for the response. I wear suit and tie everyday to work but don't otherwise attend many dressy events. My main watches are an IWC vintage series Inge and a GO pilots watch, as well as a Seamaster for weekend wear. That is to say, I don't have a dedicated dress watch but do have watches that I find suitable for most occasions.

I actually tend to think there is more overlap between the ALS and Audemar than you do. Surely the Lange is dressier but I don't view it as a pure dress watch. The arabics and subdials have some of the same design qualities as deck watches like a Portuguese, and avoid making he watch too austere.

On the royal oak front, it seems like only the ultra thin is a contender for folks who have chimed in but I feel like the 15400 is a more compelling alternative to the Lange because of its attractive price.

Based on your work environment, I'm sure you could wear either happily.  While one can dress a ALS down, I just don't see the same overlap.  While the Arabic numerals and subdials make keep it from being austere, its still a traditional round dress watch.  Watches like the RO and Nautilus are definitely are much sportier and can be worn swimming (Although I'd be more likely to wear a 15400 swimming than a 15202).  Sure a Lange can be worn with jean or somewhat casual clothes, I've seen people wear dress watches with jeans, but I just don't love the look of it.  

 

Both brands offer watches of great quality.  If you are really considering the Lange then consider how much you do or don't like it compared to the 15400.  Sure the price of the 15400 may be compelling, but make sure its the one you truly want.  I have a friend who would regularly buy his second choice based on price.  He would like it for a few months, and then still long for the watch he had truly wanted, and eventually sell the one he bought to get the one he truly wanted.  Do your homework and try both on before deciding.  

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The RO looks okay with a suit, but better with a polo shirt. No matter how you cut it, its still a sport watch with a metal bracelet. However, I would not wear it underwater or while doing anything active. If nothing else, the bracelet would get all scratched and dinged up.

 

That is true of any watch you wear to go swimming or for any other high impact activities.  I've seen plenty of Rolex, Omegas, IWCs etc used for mountain biking, swimming, etc...and they all looked like they beaten to death.  All worked just fine, but they weren't exampled of watches I'd ever buy.  

 

As stated before, I wouldn't wear my RO 15202 to swim because that model does not have a screw down crown, but then again I take exceptional care of all of my watches and I don't subject my good watches to harsh activities...that's just me.  

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I think the RO is prettier than the 1815 but certainly less versatile in practice. The sharp edges and complex finishing make it prone to dings, and IMO it's a watch that looks far better in a shiny and pristine condition, whereas I wouldn't mind some "character" on an 1815 or similar classic dress watch.

Depends on the person, not merely the watch.  I've had my RO 15202 for more than 2 years.  Its basically been a daily wearer, and granted I wear long sleeves at the office, but it hasn't sustained any major dings or scratches (knock on wood).  If a person is tough on watches, its going to show, not matter what watch a person chooses. That being said, I found the brushed links on my Rolex Oyster bracelets tend to hide scratches better than a lot of other bracelets I've seen. 

 

Below is the worst scratch I have gotten on my RO after 2 years of nearly daily wear.

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Below is the worst scratch I have gotten on my RO after 2 years of nearly daily wear. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


You should just trash that thing, Dino. Then give me your address.
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Depends on the person, not merely the watch.  I've had my RO 15202 for more than 2 years.  Its basically been a daily wearer, and granted I wear long sleeves at the office, but it hasn't sustained any major dings or scratches (knock on wood).  If a person is tough on watches, its going to show, not matter what watch a person chooses. That being said, I found the brushed links on my Rolex Oyster bracelets tend to hide scratches better than a lot of other bracelets I've seen. 

Below is the worst scratch I have gotten on my RO after 2 years of nearly daily wear.


That's a fair point - ultimately with a little care the watch will be fine. I've just been scarred from internet photos of ROs with a scratch like yours but on the bezel, or a general dull effect caused by accumulation of hairlines on the thin polished surfaces, and in either of those scenarios I think the watch's appeal would be significantly diminished.

One can certainly go mad by looking at too many internet photos. For example I've had almost every generation of iphone and haven't ever had a cracked screen. However after seeing so many examples of phones with shattered screens, I'm now irrationally paranoid about anything coming into contact with my phone.
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You should just trash that thing, Dino. Then give me your address.

:rotflmao:  Its going out in next week's garbage...just get there early or a raccoon might dig through the trash and find it first. I hear they love shiny objects. 

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rotflmao.gif   Its going out in next week's garbage...just get there early or a raccoon might dig through the trash and find it first. I hear they love shiny objects. 
Well I wouldn't call it shiny anymore with that huge, gnarly scratch on it. I should be OK rotflmao.gif

What day is your trash day????
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As for the screw down crown, I was specific in saying that the 15202 does not have a screw down crown.  Other ROs such as the 15400, which the OP mentioned, does have a screw down crown.  In addition, it has a much more robust case and bracelet as its not an ultra thin model.  

Sorry I wasn't more clear, my comment was following Frills question to CHRK and his response, which was about the 15202. Sorry I got lazy and just used RO as I thought it was obvious that was the RO which was being discussed. That said, I have the same issues with the 15300 and 15400 in terms of the bracelet and case surfaces/finishing, they are still neither here nor there for me. I can appreciate all of them for what they are, they just aren't for me. Obviously YMMV.

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That is true of any watch you wear to go swimming or for any other high impact activities.  I've seen plenty of Rolex, Omegas, IWCs etc used for mountain biking, swimming, etc...and they all looked like they beaten to death.  All worked just fine, but they weren't exampled of watches I'd ever buy.  

As stated before, I wouldn't wear my RO 15202 to swim because that model does not have a screw down crown, but then again I take exceptional care of all of my watches and I don't subject my good watches to harsh activities...that's just me.  

Yes, any sport watch will take a beating under heavy use. The issue in the case of the RO is: (1) the expense of the watch, and (2) the detailed, immaculate finishing is core to the watch's appeal.
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