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My bespoke shirt cuffs fit over my Big Pilot, so they will probably be okay over the 327. If not . . . well, I need new shirts anyway.

LOL, I like the way you think.

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What if the choice is:

1. Cartier Tank Extra Flat + Panerai 372, or
2. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Extra Thin

Oh boy . . . I think the 15202 would be perfect for you, and it's about as versatile a watch as they come. I went with the 15400 because I thought I preferred the extra heft but lately have questioned that choice
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What if the choice is:

1. Cartier Tank Extra Flat + Panerai 372, or
2. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Extra Thin

15202 in a heartbeat. I am wearing mine today - and I know Dino is going to chime in with his love for the 15202. The Royal Oak is on another level from the other two watches. All the owners of the 15202 I know rave about it and says it dominates their wrist time, even with other impressive watches standing by.
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15202 in a heartbeat. I am wearing mine today - and I know Dino is going to chime in with his love for the 15202. The Royal Oak is on another level from the other two watches. All the owners of the 15202 I know rave about it and says it dominates their wrist time, even with other impressive watches standing by.

The answer is always Royal Oak.
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Group think is not always right - you probably knew as soon as you added the AP to the list that TWAT posters would all go for it. Personally I think the Cartier would be a better choice given the IWC watch you have already.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

What if the choice is:

1. Cartier Tank Extra Flat + Panerai 372, or
2. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Extra Thin

#2.

Without a shadow of a doubt.
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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

Group think is not always right - you probably knew as soon as you added the AP to the list that TWAT posters would all go for it. Personally I think the Cartier would be a better choice given the IWC watch you have already.

Royal Oak is always right. smile.gif
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I took a stroll down Madison and Fifth so that you guys can't say I don't ever take advice:





The 504 is just thrown in for reference. It is not actually under consideration. Though it is physically smaller than the 372, it looks bigger on the wrist to me, since it is all dial. The overall chunkiness of the 372 makes the bigness more expected and thus more okay, at least to me. Verdict? Yes, it is a big ass watch--so what!

Oh yeah, and the Tank is pure sex.

Glad to hear the 504 is out.  IMHO, it was just too much.  The 372 is better, but I can't say I love how it looks on you.  Maybe you can get wrist implants ;).   J/K...you can get by with it, but to me its always looks best on people with a bigger build and larger wrists...just my 2 cents. 

 

Rectangular watches can be a tough fit until the strap is a bit broken in a molded more to your wrist.  Its tough to tell if its a good fit or too flat for your wrist.  Only you can tell if it looks and feels right. 

 
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That case (specifically the lugs) is just gorgeous.

Agreed...one of the nicest Patek cases in a while!  

 

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But that Luminor is just a bit too big: I get that big watches are supposed to look big, and that's just a matter of taste.  But when the lugs are wider than your wrist, it starts to look like you're wearing your Dad's clothes that are too big.  Get something that's as big as your wrist and looks chunky as hell, because that's what you're after.  But just a touch smaller than this, I would suggest.

:fistbump: 100%.  I just don't love how the Luminor looks on Foo's wrist.  Yea...maybe he can get by with it, but it does start to take on the little kid wearing Dad's clothing look.  If he is happy with it then that's what matters, but I agree with you on this one. 

 

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

What if the choice is:

1. Cartier Tank Extra Flat + Panerai 372, or
2. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Extra Thin

No contests...AP 15202 !!!  It simply isn't even a fair contest.  The workmanship, finish, and movement on the AP are so far superior to the other two that its not even a close call.  I like the current extra flat Tank XL, but I prefer the CPCP Tank XL over it, and if I could only keep my CPCP Tank XL or my AP 15202... sadly I'd have to let the Tank go.  I love the Tank as a dress watch, but the RO is something I could wear and do wear almost everyday.  I really only wear my dress watches for the dressiest occasions...while the RO ultra thin looks amazing with a suit and perfectly at home with jeans, a sweater and a leather jacket.  Also, as I've told others who have followed me down the dangerous path to an AP RO 15202, its a watch that you appreciate more each time you wear it.  There are small nuances such as the beveled edges, the contrast of polished an brushed surfaces even on small areas of the watch that others might have ignored, and the way the petite Clou de Paris plays with the light is stunning.  

 

My vote is right here!

 

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15202 in a heartbeat. I am wearing mine today - and I know Dino is going to chime in with his love for the 15202. The Royal Oak is on another level from the other two watches. All the owners of the 15202 I know rave about it and says it dominates their wrist time, even with other impressive watches standing by.

Exactly!  My other watches are jealous that they spend more time in storage, while the RO 15202 gets the bulk of my wrist time.  I've had mine for a little over 2 years and its the best watch purchase I've ever made.  Its pricey, but the more you wear it the more you can see why it costs what it does.  

 

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The answer is always Royal Oak.

:fistbump:Spot on my maahhhnnn!

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I had no idea the Royal Oak would find so much overwhelming love here--must be a TWAT thing.

Don't get me wrong, I am myself a watch geek, fully understanding of the appeal and iconic status of the RO. However, even amongst WIS, it is a divisive watch. The styling is love it or hate it, and the movement is very pedestrian. Keep in mind, it is a 50-year old caliber, designed by a consortium of makers, not exclusively by AP. Without the branded, gold rotor, it is nothing particularly special. In contrast, the Piaget ultra-thin 430 caliber in the Cartier Tank Extra Flat is a much more notable movement. My main issue with the 430 is that it is a round movement in a rectangular watch--although that has often been par for the course in Tanks.

The RO is all about the case: the thoughtful, meticulous design, the integrated bracelet, the painfully perfect detailing, etc. That is valid, but many watch people would prefer to spend money on a more plain exterior with juicier guts inside.
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We've been trolled . . . LOL
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We've been trolled . . . LOL

 

I was thinking that with the prices he mentioned on the other 2 watches being $15,300, a 15202 is north of $20K which would tack on a third watch.

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I had no idea the Royal Oak would find so much overwhelming love here--must be a TWAT thing.

Don't get me wrong, I am myself a watch geek, fully understanding of the appeal and iconic status of the RO. However, even amongst WIS, it is a divisive watch. The styling is love it or hate it, and the movement is very pedestrian. Keep in mind, it is a 50-year old caliber, designed by a consortium of makers, not exclusively by AP. Without the branded, gold rotor, it is nothing particularly special. In contrast, the Piaget ultra-thin 430 caliber in the Cartier Tank Extra Flat is a much more notable movement. My main issue with the 430 is that it is a round movement in a rectangular watch--although that has often been par for the course in Tanks.

The RO is all about the case: the thoughtful, meticulous design, the integrated bracelet, the painfully perfect detailing, etc. That is valid, but many watch people would prefer to spend money on a more plain exterior with juicier guts inside.

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That is all. This comment borders on the absurd, foo. Cal 2121 is nothing short of legendary.
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Can someone give a brief run down of the different Tank and other rectangular Cartiers? There's, like, 7 of them at different price points and sizes and they are all good?

There aren't any bad Cartiers, but you have to decide what works for you both in terms of design, price point, and level of workmanship.  

The Tank Solo, is a good basic watch.  Its available in different sizes, only the XL has an automatic movement (its base is an ETA) the others are quartz.  You can get them in steel, or with a gold case with a steel back.  Some have a date window and seconds hand, but I don't care for the second hand or date on a Tank.  

 

The Louis Cartier Tank is a gold watch with quartz movement with a date and I believe a second hand.

The Louis Cartier Tank XL ultra flat is a time only watch available in WG or RG.  Its a manual wind and the modern successor to the original manual wind LC Tanks of the past. Its the dressiest of the bunch, has the finest movement (its base is a Piaget), and I prefer that it does not have a second hand or date to distract from its clean lines.  

 

Not sure if you were also inquiring about the Tank Francaise, Anglaise, Americaine, and MC.  So I've skipped those variations. 

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Can someone give a brief run down of the different Tank and other rectangular Cartiers? There's, like, 7 of them at different price points and sizes and they are all good?
I haven't a clue. Must De Cartier turned me off to the brand for years until the Collection Privée, which had a couple of pieces that I liked. Now that line is gone. Who knows/cares.
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Originally Posted by TC (Houston) View Post

We've been trolled . . . LOL

 

:rotflmao: Yup!

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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

I had no idea the Royal Oak would find so much overwhelming love here--must be a TWAT thing.

Don't get me wrong, I am myself a watch geek, fully understanding of the appeal and iconic status of the RO. However, even amongst WIS, it is a divisive watch. The styling is love it or hate it, and the movement is very pedestrian. Keep in mind, it is a 50-year old caliber, designed by a consortium of makers, not exclusively by AP. Without the branded, gold rotor, it is nothing particularly special. In contrast, the Piaget ultra-thin 430 caliber in the Cartier Tank Extra Flat is a much more notable movement. My main issue with the 430 is that it is a round movement in a rectangular watch--although that has often been par for the course in Tanks.

The RO is all about the case: the thoughtful, meticulous design, the integrated bracelet, the painfully perfect detailing, etc. That is valid, but many watch people would prefer to spend money on a more plain exterior with juicier guts inside.

The movement very pedestrian?  Sorry, but disagree there.  Its one of the most iconic movements and IIRC its still the thinnest automatic movement in a standard production watch.  As you know it was designed by JLC, but was used by AP, Patek, and VC.  AP owns the right to it and still occasionally has licensed it for use by VC.  Most things I've read on AP and VC forums tend to speak very highly of the movement.  If you aren't a fan no worries...I like Piaget's watches and their movements...I'm just not sure I would say that a 430 is any more notable than a 2120...but YMMV. 

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The movement very pedestrian?  Sorry, but disagree there.  Its one of the most iconic movements and IIRC its still the thinnest automatic movement in a standard production watch.  As you know it was designed by JLC, but was used by AP, Patek, and VC.  AP owns the right to it and still occasionally has licensed it for use by VC.  Most things I've read on AP and VC forums tend to speak very highly of the movement.  If you aren't a fan no worries...I like Piaget's watches and their movements...I'm just not sure I would say that a 430 is any more notable than a 2120...but YMMV. 

Okay, so with a little homework, I realize I was very mistaken about this movement. I'm not sure what I was confusing it for. At first blush, I was thinking of a simple, vanilla JLC ebauche used by AP. Only a fraction of a fraction of that is true. While AP, Patek, and VC did commission JLC to develop the movement, it is nonetheless technically quite remarkable.

That said, the original point I was trying to make (though overstated in the details) remains true: the RO is not such a clear win versus the Tank. If the RO design is iconic, one must admit the Tank design is godly. The Piaget movement inside is extremely venerable and made by a house known for leading the development of ultra-thin calibers. Unlike most Cartier watches, this one has merits beyond being a piece of jewelry.
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