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Foo, have you considered a second hand CPCP Tank? Maybe it's worth checking if this one is still available? At that price there should be enough to give it a full spa treatment and a nice new strap.

Speaking of, are you only considering green and blue for that?
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I see that there are some old Speedys lurking around here. Here's mine bought new many moons ago.




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That appears to be the same model I have. If you bought that new, you are quite the geezer. It looks like you also got good use out of it. Obviously, I am a fan. Do you recall what kind of strap or bracelet it came on?
You will be amused to know that the Omega service on it is likely to cost me a multiple of what you paid for the watch. frown.gif
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That appears to be the same model I have. If you bought that new, you are quite the geezer. It looks like you also got good use out of it. Obviously, I am a fan. Do you recall what kind of strap or bracelet it came on?
You will be amused to know that the Omega service on it is likely to cost me a multiple of what you paid for the watch. frown.gif

 

Geezer is the new young and trendy!

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Originally Posted by Kaplan View Post

Foo, have you considered a second hand CPCP Tank? Maybe it's worth checking if this one is still available? At that price there should be enough to give it a full spa treatment and a nice new strap.

Speaking of, are you only considering green and blue for that?


Kaplan, I've looked at several vintage tanks of this sort, and they really are awesome watches.

So I do like how you're thinking. That's a good find.

But I ultimately had to rule out anything in that size range (23 X 30) as being far too small for most "modern-built" gentlemen.

And I've got a vintage Curvex that's only slightly bigger TBH ....just a couple of mm each way...... but man, once they get down into that territory, they can really start to look feminine IMHO.

(My wrist is right about 7", for reference).

All personal choice, of course. Perhaps Foo could make it work.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Dino! I was hoping you'd chime in.

I absolutely love the discontinued Privee version of the watch. The movement bridges are very elegantly shaped (though I could do without the interlocking C's).

The new Extra Flat also uses a Piaget movement, not an F. Piguet. It's based on the 430P caliber (renamed 430MC), except I'm sure it is not nearly as aesthetically modified as the Privee model.

Do you believe this new Tank has any collectibility? Or will it just be yet another of the millions and millions of Tanks out there?

Most importantly, would you be interested in buying the Tank off of me if things don't work out?

Hi,

 

The movements in discontinued Privee Tank XL and the current Extra Flat Tank XL are quite different.   IIRC, when I was researching this issue, the Piaget 430P is actually round.  Its one of the reasons that I believe that the Extra Flat has a solid back (although they have done square watches with round movements and a see through back in the past) .  However, its a trade off, having the closed back, but getting a watch case and movement that are considerably thinner than mine.  Years ago before having a giant watch was the "In thing" it was considered a form of art to have very thin watches with ultra thin movements...so its nice to see brands like Piaget, Cartier, JLC and a few others keeping it alive.

 

As for the collectability, the Privee model was a very limited production only made 200 in rose gold and 50 in platinum.  The current Tank XL is a standard production model.  However, production of Ultra thin, is not going to be super high, like say a Santos.  Beyond that, their always seems to be a good market for Tanks.  I doubt you would get hurt on it if you decided its not for you, as you are getting it for a great price (actually a few thousand dollars less than what I paid for mine), and its such an iconic design that it always seems to have a strong following.

 

As for purchasing it from you if you decide its not for you, I'm sorry to say I probably would not.  For me the CPCP Tank XL fits my wrist a bit better, and if I were going to buy a pre-owned Cartier, it would probably be a completely a different shape (Rontonde, Tonneau, Tortue etc) for some variety.  I just don't see the need for having 2 Tank XLs, unless maybe one it was one of the 50 CPCP made in Platinum.  

 

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What color strap on the rose gold Tank?

Navy


Bottle Green

Black, Dark Brown, or years ago some Cartier used to deliver some rose gold watches on maroon straps.  I personally favor black and dark brown.  The blue works, but it might be more appealing to me on a watch in a white metal.  The green just doesn't do much for me.

 

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I'm interested in the tank models as well, but am a little confused with all the options. Which is the one where the back is gold and the crystal is real, not synthetic? How does everyone feel about the real deal version versus the steel back.

Its a completely different watch.  The Solo with steel back is nice, and a lot less costly than the mechanical Tank XL, but I prefer the Tank XL if cost is not an issue.  I prefer the original more rounded case, the Solo is flatter, and I also prefer it not to have a date and second hand, which for me detract.  I find it more elegant to be a simple 2 hand time only watch.  Then there is the difference in movements.  The Solo is a modified ETA, a good solid work horse, but nothing special.  The Tank XL uses a much more refined, and rarer Piaget movement as its base.  Both are great watches that will give many years of enjoyment.  If on a budget, the Solos are a great value...if not...I'd go for the LC Tank XL.    

 

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I'm not saying this Panny won't work, or the Cartier.  But you wouldn't buy a car without driving it, or a suit without a fitting.  This is proper money, so make the effort to try it first, that's all.  Also, take a couple of pics, including in the mirror from distance: that's made some bigger watches seem a lot more sensible to me - looking better in proportion to all of me than to my wrist alone.  Even for that, take a couple of phone shots from different distances, then muse on them over a coffee before you buy.  It would be a shame to order a bargain and then find something that feels better for you - it's no kind of bargain if you don't get along.

Spot on Mimo.  I always tell people try on square and rectangular watches, because they fit so differently from round ones.  A 36mm square or rectangular watch will wear much larger than a 36mm round one.   In addition, a watch like a Tank XL or a Reverso, generally have flat case backs...so sometimes if they go beyond a certain size you really need a large wrist for it to look and fit correctly.  

 

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Foo, have you considered a second hand CPCP Tank? Maybe it's worth checking if this one is still available? At that price there should be enough to give it a full spa treatment and a nice new strap.
 

Hi Kaplan, 

 

That isn't a CPCP Tank.  That is a PRE-CPCP Tank, so its smaller than the CPCP Tank XL.  By today's standards most would feel that looks best on a woman or a man with very small wrists and a very small build. 

 

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This question probably been answered before, was thinking about getting a service done on a Vacheron Constantin which I got 2nd hand some time ago. Got verified by 2 different watch makers before.

but upon send the info to VC

"Following your request, our experts from Vacheron Constantin Product department carefully analyzed the information received about your timepiece. They regretfully informed us that the case and movement numbers combination (xxxxx ) does not exist in our record."

So watches that got sold in the grey market doesn't go into manufacturer's data base?

Never heard of something like that.  It would not be based on when the watch is sold, and being registered by a gray.  They have records of every watch made regardless of who sold it and when.  Ask them to check again?

 

Hopefully, you bought it from a reputable gray dealer, and its not some "Franken-watch" cobbled together using a real VC movement and real VC case that were not paired together when originally produced. 

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Its a completely different watch. The Solo with steel back is nice, and a lot less costly than the mechanical Tank XL, but I prefer the Tank XL if cost is not an issue. I prefer the original more rounded case, the Solo is flatter, and I also prefer it not to have a date and second hand, which for me detract. I find it more elegant to be a simple 2 hand time only watch. Then there is the difference in movements. The Solo is a modified ETA, a good solid work horse, but nothing special. The Tank XL uses a much more refined, and rarer Piaget movement as its base. Both are great watches that will give many years of enjoyment. If on a budget, the Solos are a great value...if not...I'd go for the LC Tank XL.

The gold Tank Solo with ss casebacks has a quartz movement, no? Or were you talking about the Tank Solo XL? Cartier has so many Tanks and the Solo and Louis lines can be confusing at times.
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The gold Tank Solo with ss casebacks has a quartz movement, no? Or were you talking about the Tank Solo XL? Cartier has so many Tanks and the Solo and Louis lines can be confusing at times.

Both the Tank Solo and Tank Solo XL are available with gold cases that have steel backs.  The Tank Solo large model is a quartz, the Solo XL has an automatic movement.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

Hi Kaplan, 

That isn't a CPCP Tank.  That is a PRE-CPCP Tank, so its smaller than the CPCP Tank XL.  By today's standards most would feel that looks best on a woman or a man with very small wrists and a very small build. 


Thanks for the correction, Dino. I admit I just skimmed the listing and saw the CPCP name mentioned in there, but now I see this one was described as preceeding those.

As for the size of the classical ones wearing too small for most today, I have to agree - even as someone who prefers smaller watches (or more accurately: Not too large ones). Some 23+ years ago I briefly had one of these:



- but only for a few months, as it did wear too small for me. Still, looking at that one, your CPCP and the new Extra Flat, I find something slightly off with the new one: The case looks like somebody took a rolling pin to it and the dial has lost some of its balance - too much open space outside the roman numerals IMHO.

And looking at this:



- and some of the wrist shots, it seems the strap tapers too agressively for what I would prefer for this watch (compare with the shot above).

Now, admittedly all of these observations are based on some quick photo browsing and may all be non-existing IRL. Like mimo and you say, there's no substitute for trying on i person.
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Foo - back in town for a few days and already TWAT is on fire. Love it.

I tried the 372 in Cayman when it first came out so I was all excited to strap it on. It was a very nice and clean looking PAM. At that price point, it has an even greater appeal. Sat flatter and more comfortably on my wrist than my 312 (which is a thicker 1950's case)
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Again, FWIW...some "research" wrist shots that I had taken, if they may be helpful here.

In top-to-bottom order, the Louis Cartier Extra Flat, the Solo XL, and the Solo Large (damn you, quartz movement!)













And I do agree with Kaplan's point re: white space on the Extra Flat. Still quite lovely overall, and not necessarily a deal-killer, but I do find it a good observation, and more apparent when compared to the bolder numerals on the other two.
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Still considering a Solo Large in Rose Gold despite the quartz movement as a grab and go watch, just looking for a good price on it.


And speaking of Rose Golds... found a new contender.

JLC Ultra Thin Moon 39 though I am not in love with the cream dial, it is still a gorgeous watch and a much cheaper alternative. Love the moonphase too.
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Hmmmm a lot of rose gold action in here lately . . . biggrin.gif
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Hmmmm a lot of rose gold action in here lately . . . biggrin.gif

Lulz, are you trying to suggest something TC?

Been gone for a while (work, vacation, etc.), but thought I would chime in on the RG MUT Moon.

Personally, and this is just me, I am not the biggest fan of the JLC Master series in RG. Do not get me wrong--the dial on that watch is gorgeous. However, for the price, I find myself wanting something from the "big three," or one of the peripheral contenders. The movement finishing on the JLC master series is just not up to snuff compared to the competition in this price range.

The JLC MUT Moon RG retails for around $18-19k, and unless I could get a fairly substantial price point, VC would be getting my money at that price, or FPJ, or something of that ilk. At that price point, Piaget, and even low-level AL&S is available.
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Thanks for the correction, Dino. I admit I just skimmed the listing and saw the CPCP name mentioned in there, but now I see this one was described as preceeding those.
 Still, looking at that one, your CPCP and the new Extra Flat, I find something slightly off with the new one: The case looks like somebody took a rolling pin to it and the dial has lost some of its balance - too much open space outside the roman numerals IMHO.

And looking at this:

- and some of the wrist shots, it seems the strap tapers too agressively for what I would prefer for this watch (compare with the shot above).

Now, admittedly all of these observations are based on some quick photo browsing and may all be non-existing IRL. Like mimo and you say, there's no substitute for trying on i person.

Hi Kaplan,

 

Several of the images of the current Tank XL Ultra Thin, are not really anything close to trying them on in person.  Someone commented earlier about a photo that the dial looks sort of cream colored, and they prefer silver.  However, in person its a silver dial with a hint of cream giving it a bit of antique look.  I didn't really find any issue with the spacing of the dial, when I tried it on in person when it was first released.  I do find the strap a bit aggressive in terms of how it tapers, but its not offensive to me.  Overall, its a larger, and wider watch than the last last generation of Tank XL (the CPCP model), but Cartier is simply trying to meet their customers' demand for bigger watches.  If I did not have the CPCP Tank XL, I would probably get the current version, although I find the prior size is a better fit for my modest sized wrist.  

 

As I've said before, anyone contemplating purchasing a watch with a rectangular or square case should try it on in person to be sure it looks right and is a good fit.

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In top-to-bottom order, the Louis Cartier Extra Flat, the Solo XL, and the Solo Large (damn you, quartz movement!)









And I do agree with Kaplan's point re: white space on the Extra Flat. Still quite lovely overall, and not necessarily a deal-killer, but I do find it a good observation, and more apparent when compared to the bolder numerals on the other two.

The spacing on the dials does become more apparent in your "head to head" comparison photos.  Although, it wouldn't be a deal killer for me.  I think the bolder numerals of the Solos also play a strong part in the overall look of the dial/spacing issue. 

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