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post #36406 of 48312
I believe Fourtane also carries Tudor, have you tried the Pelagos?
post #36407 of 48312
They do, and I did. It was a nice watch - very tool-y. I dunno - something about looking at the Tudor case, and then the Rolex case(s) made me think that there is a reason that Rolex is more expensive. Tudor looked sort of cheap in the flesh by comparison. I was not at all impressed with either of the Black Bay models, and the Internet-revered Ranger is way too big for what it is trying to be. shog[1].gif
post #36408 of 48312
I liked the Pelagos, felt like it was a Submariner for the apocalypse. Just too big for me.

I can understand how it can be underwhelming to some though, the combination of all-matte everything and titanium along with the double AR-coated crystal makes it stealthy and less ostentatious?

Where I thought Pelagos succeeded I felt it failed in the Black Shield. Could have beena great cheaper Daytona alternative but that one just fell completely flat and downright disappointing.

Was never a fan of the Ranger, first time I saw it on the wrist I thought it was a Nixon.
post #36409 of 48312
I would also vote Tank Louis Cartier Extra-Flat for foo.gif

Mainly because I want to see more wrist shots of it... as a potential future purchase for my damn self!

Also: hell of a deal. That's priced like the rose gold Solo XL, which actually has a stainless back and the "more pedestrian" movement.
post #36410 of 48312
I have a question, gentlemen, on which I would like your opinion.
One of my favorite watches is a cal. 321 pre-moon Speedmaster. meaning it was the model that was tested and first used in the space program rather than the model that commemorates it, i.e., it uses the cal. 321 not the subsequent 861 movement, and has the seamonster logo on the back, rather than the "first watch used on the moon" commenmorative verbiage that came later. It just gave out on me this weekend and I brought it in to the Omega boutique for service. It will, no doubt, cost a lot to work on and will have to go back to Switzerland. That is expected and not an issue for me as chronograph service is expensive and old ones, more so. I know that I will not want them to buff the case, though I don't care if they replace the crystal. I probably don't care if they replace the hands. My question is, what should I let them do with the dial? This model has an applied Omega logo, which is rare, even among the pre-moon speedies. It is also, IMO, nicer than the printed logo. If they have to remove that, I will say no. But what about repainting the lume? The lume is long dead and flaking in places, though it is still perfectly legible (the lume has flaked off the hour and minute hands, making them kind of skeletal). The rest of the dial printing is very good. On the one hand, I am kind of the view that anything done by the factory "counts" as original, or at least genuine, and, frankly, in keeping with the utilitarian nature of the watch, making it more legible is good. But I also think of this watch as somewhat historic, especially the dial.
So . . . if they want to repaint the dial or the lume, should I let them?

BTW, my experience with Omega service in Switzerland for their vintage watches has been outstanding. It was always better than expected, so I am not so worried about quality.
post #36411 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

They do, and I did. It was a nice watch - very tool-y. I dunno - something about looking at the Tudor case, and then the Rolex case(s) made me think that there is a reason that Rolex is more expensive. Tudor looked sort of cheap in the flesh by comparison. I was not at all impressed with either of the Black Bay models, and the Internet-revered Ranger is way too big for what it is trying to be. shog[1].gif

+1,000
post #36412 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Keith T View Post

I would also vote Tank Louis Cartier Extra-Flat for foo.gif

Mainly because I want to see more wrist shots of it... as a potential future purchase for my damn self!

Also: hell of a deal. That's priced like the rose gold Solo XL, which actually has a stainless back and the "more pedestrian" movement.


Actually, I change my vote, get the Pam and let me buy the Cartier for that price. biggrin.gif
post #36413 of 48312
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I have a question, gentlemen, on which I would like your opinion.
One of my favorite watches is a cal. 321 pre-moon Speedmaster. meaning it was the model that was tested and first used in the space program rather than the model that commemorates it, i.e., it uses the cal. 321 not the subsequent 861 movement, and has the seamonster logo on the back, rather than the "first watch used on the moon" commenmorative verbiage that came later. It just gave out on me this weekend and I brought it in to the Omega boutique for service. It will, no doubt, cost a lot to work on and will have to go back to Switzerland. That is expected and not an issue for me as chronograph service is expensive and old ones, more so. I know that I will not want them to buff the case, though I don't care if they replace the crystal. I probably don't care if they replace the hands. My question is, what should I let them do with the dial? This model has an applied Omega logo, which is rare, even among the pre-moon speedies. It is also, IMO, nicer than the printed logo. If they have to remove that, I will say no. But what about repainting the lume? The lume is long dead and flaking in places, though it is still perfectly legible (the lume has flaked off the hour and minute hands, making them kind of skeletal). The rest of the dial printing is very good. On the one hand, I am kind of the view that anything done by the factory "counts" as original, or at least genuine, and, frankly, in keeping with the utilitarian nature of the watch, making it more legible is good. But I also think of this watch as somewhat historic, especially the dial.
So . . . if they want to repaint the dial or the lume, should I let them?

BTW, my experience with Omega service in Switzerland for their vintage watches has been outstanding. It was always better than expected, so I am not so worried about quality.
That's a tough one. I do not believe Omega will repaint the dial/lume. They will want to replace. And they will most likely not replace with a applied logo dial. If I were you, I would keep all the dial /hands original. They may give you an hard time about the lume flaking as these pieces can make their way into the movement.

On the other hand, the dial hands are part of the charm of the watch, but if you do not plan to sell and you want a truly functional watch then replacing them will be a nice option. It will always be a pre-moon Speedy. Just make sure you never want to sell it before you do it.
post #36414 of 48312
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

I have a question, gentlemen, on which I would like your opinion.
One of my favorite watches is a cal. 321 pre-moon Speedmaster. meaning it was the model that was tested and first used in the space program rather than the model that commemorates it, i.e., it uses the cal. 321 not the subsequent 861 movement, and has the seamonster logo on the back, rather than the "first watch used on the moon" commenmorative verbiage that came later. It just gave out on me this weekend and I brought it in to the Omega boutique for service. It will, no doubt, cost a lot to work on and will have to go back to Switzerland. That is expected and not an issue for me as chronograph service is expensive and old ones, more so. I know that I will not want them to buff the case, though I don't care if they replace the crystal. I probably don't care if they replace the hands. My question is, what should I let them do with the dial? This model has an applied Omega logo, which is rare, even among the pre-moon speedies. It is also, IMO, nicer than the printed logo. If they have to remove that, I will say no. But what about repainting the lume? The lume is long dead and flaking in places, though it is still perfectly legible (the lume has flaked off the hour and minute hands, making them kind of skeletal). The rest of the dial printing is very good. On the one hand, I am kind of the view that anything done by the factory "counts" as original, or at least genuine, and, frankly, in keeping with the utilitarian nature of the watch, making it more legible is good. But I also think of this watch as somewhat historic, especially the dial.
So . . . if they want to repaint the dial or the lume, should I let them?

BTW, my experience with Omega service in Switzerland for their vintage watches has been outstanding. It was always better than expected, so I am not so worried about quality.

I'd be surprised if they offer to repaint the dial--they are more likely to simply replace it. In either case, I would advise against doing so. You have a significant vintage watch with all genuine, untouched parts. Replacing the crystal will not harm value, but replacing virtually anything else will. Take a look at what happens to vintage Rolex Submariner prices when it turns out the dial is a factory replacement dial. Or IWC Mark XI prices when the lume has been repainted (albeit not by the factory).

A light refinishing of the case would be much less value destructive than any of the above.

In short: NO!!!!!

Now you tell me: Tank or Panerai?
post #36415 of 48312
dopey, I would probably leave the dial alone, if it were me.

Agreed the applied Omega logo is absolutely must-keep. That's such a great detail on those vintage Speedmasters.

And even if they were to do a great job, my preference would be to keep the pre-loved character of the watch.
post #36416 of 48312
Thanks, all

The service person suggested the possibility of repainting the dial. It wasn't my idea. And I am not sure what she knows, anyway. Those options will be decided in Switzerland. If they could swap it out for an original dial (whose lume would also be dead) with the applied logo, I would do it, but the possibility of that being available is almost zero. And I would nix a different replacement dial. But re-painting the lume on the original dial seems different. That seems like something an owner SHOULD do. But that is why I am asking

FWIW, Omega is pretty sensitive in dealing with their vintage watches - I had a cal. 1041 watch (first chronometer certified automatic chronograph) and they asked if I wanted a new movement that was 85% the same but not chronograph certified or did I want the old movement refurbished. They were happy to refurbish the old , which was my choice (the chronometer version, only made for a few years, was identical but for a few parts). The watch came back looking like new, but for the faded dial. That is also why, if they said they could do the case without changing the lines, I would tell them to go ahead (it looks pretty good, anyway, so wouldn't neeed much work).

As for the hands, these are not broad arrow hands, which are unique and I would insist on keeping. Other than minutia on the shape of the sweep second hand, these hands are pretty much the same as what is currently used and Omega changed the design frequently back then. I can't tell, other than age, if mine are really original as there is not a super-tight link between model nos, dials,cases, and hands at that time. And hands are, in my opinion, almost disposable, like the crystal. If mine was one of the broad arrow hand cases, that would be a different story.
post #36417 of 48312

Some pics of my Pre-moon after a similar spa trip. Did not touch the dial and hands. Replaced the crystal, serviced the movememt and cleaned the watch up.

 

Before:

 

After:

 

 

post #36418 of 48312
Except that my tachymeter is in near perfect shape and the case is in a little better condition (your's doesn't look bad, though), mine looks just like that. Same skeletal hands, same sweep seconds, same flaky lume. i miss it already. Its impressive how good the rest of the dial looks, isn't it?

. . . and if I might share a momentary musing, without repainting the lume, how else can you have a 50YO watch that is as functional as the day it was new? That seems like something cool to have also, maybe as much as a preserved specimen.

If you also sent yours to Omega in Bienne, what options did they offer you? Anything on the dial?
post #36419 of 48312
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

Except that my tachymeter is in near perfect shape and the case is in a little better condition (yours doesn't look bad, though), mine looks just like that. Same skeletal hands, same sweep seconds, same flaky lume. i miss it already. Its impressive how well the rest of the dial looks, isn't it?
I almost had the tachy replaced, but I though it would look awfully odd with everything else that was beat up. I felt like it was all or nothing. I chose nothing.
post #36420 of 48312
Yes! There's your answer.
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