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I guess it's the same way DavidSW gets you valid stamped cards for Rolexes?
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For those looking at the VC Patrimony Traditionelle, I also wanted to offer the following new boutique edition. It's not limited to a specific number, but it really is a stunning watch in the flesh. I tried it on at the VC boutique on Madison and it really further warms up the Traditionelle. The guilloche is superbly done.


 

 

Dat guilloche!!!!   :worship:

 

 

 

Long day waiting for the dreaded UPS man .... 

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Moser is a family owned independent company and that adds a certain charm to the brand. Maybe it's just me? Looks like Moser isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon but you make a good point about parts being unavailable in the future. Just reading experiences from smaller companies usually means they can give the buyer more attention and really focus on helping and fixing any problems. I'll try and contact the company and see what kind of response I get.


As for PrestigeTime, they promise all original VC warranty and passports are included. They seem reputable and they only offer original warranty so VC and Lange but on others, they just offer they're own warranty. It is kind of weird, they are located in NY and I am not sure if they have a storefront. I'll ask further just to clarify though.


I do like Tokyo but I hate dealing with boutiques. Only way I'll travel out of the country to get a watch is to go to Hong Kong and get some deep, deep discount. Not to pay extra by travelling and then paying retail, which is probably much higher in Yen than USD. lol8[1].gif

Yes, I completely understand the charm of dealing with a small family owned company.  Hey, Moser could be around for decades or as long as any company backed by LVMH or Richemont, or not.  One never knows what will happen with small family owned companies.  What may seem sound today, may end up sold in 5-10 years...and then parts availability can become an issue. The problem with parts for my friend's wife's watch involved a smaller company was sold to another company, and there was a dramatic change in products and then parts availability on the older watches was very tough to non-existent.  I'm sure at chat to with the Moser company will be nice...but wouldn't have any meaning in the context of the type of issue my friend experienced. 

 

As to your travel statement, then I guess we have your own answer...you might like the boutique, but that probably isn't the watch for you.  Boutique watches usually draw in dedicated brand collectors who are willing to pay MSRP to get a limited edition model. If you aren't a VC fanatic (or any brand fanatic for that matter), it makes little sense paying MSRP on a watch unless its your absolute dream watch and nothing else will do.  You still seem like you have some comparing and research to complete before finding a dress watch.     

 

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That is exactly what they have on VC and Lange but I am still not sure if they are actually a VC AD or not.

As Dopey indicated, they definitely are not an an AD.  You can call them, and yes they are supplying the watches with paperwork, however technically the warranties are void.  You might get away with it, but as I pointed out if VC finds that the watch was actually purchased through a non-AD, then VC won't honor the warranty (regardless of what the watch seller told you).  I suppose then you can complain to the company you buy it from, and maybe they will offer to have a watchmaker repair the watch, or maybe they will pay to have VC fix it for you (I would want the latter in writing).   

 

As mentioned, the guy I knew with the AP said, for what it cost him to repair his RO chrono, it completely exceeded the savings he thought he was gaining by going to a gray dealer.  He said he would have done better had he taken the best deal he was offered from the AD, and then if there was a problem, his warranty would have been honored.  Wishing you luck with wherever your journey takes you. 

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I believe subconsciously, that was what was giving me that "cold" feeling.
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Originally Posted by CHRK33 View Post

For those looking at the VC Patrimony Traditionelle, I also wanted to offer the following new boutique edition. It's not limited to a specific number, but it really is a stunning watch in the flesh. I tried it on at the VC boutique on Madison and it really further warms up the Traditionelle. The guilloche is superbly done.


I think that boutique edition doesn't have the 'cold' feeling the regular one Keith T had included in his list of contenders has. Awesome dial, beautiful watch.
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As to your travel statement, then I guess we have your own answer...you might like the boutique, but that probably isn't the watch for you.  Boutique watches usually draw in dedicated brand collectors who are willing to pay MSRP to get a limited edition model. If you aren't a VC fanatic (or any brand fanatic for that matter), it makes little sense paying MSRP on a watch unless its your absolute dream watch and nothing else will do.  You still seem like you have some comparing and research to complete before finding a dress watch.     


To be honest I just wish VC made more black dialed watches, that is my main attraction to the watch, the black and rose gold combo not exactly the fact that it is a boutique exclusive or it being limited. While I may not be willing to pay retail, I'd be willing to pay more/take less discount on that in comparison to the white dial.

If I can walk into a boutique today, see the watch and just fall in love with it, I'd probably pay retail there and then but you add the travel expense (I just don't travel on a whim) especially for a watch is just too much (plus I already got other travel plans this year and the next). Maybe if I had already planned to go to Tokyo already and I'll be there then it's a possibility but as you said, if it isn't a dream watch then it isn't worth the effort.

Come to think of it, I don't even have a dream watch that I would go all out and put that much effort on right now.

And yeah I am looking at any rose gold dress watches right now, preferably with a black dial. biggrin.gif
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I guess it's the same way DavidSW gets you valid stamped cards for Rolexes?

Did you get your Blue OP from David? I was eyeing that one...
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BTW... I love Moser. Here is my Moser, given to me by my grandpa (it was given to him in the 30s or 40s I believe).

I am still looking for a worthy bracelet/strap for its fixed lugs.

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Did you get your Blue OP from David? I was eyeing that one...

Nah, got it from an AD here, I haven't dealt with David but might just consider him if I ever decide to get the BLNR.


That Moser's awesome, is it still running well?
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Nah, got it from an AD here, I haven't dealt with David but might just consider him if I ever decide to get the BLNR.


That Moser's awesome, is it still running well?

Ah, cool. David is good people.

It is running well indeed - my grandpa had it services a few years ago. I would probably get it services again if I could ever find a nice strap for it. The fixed lugs and small lug width (I think they are maybe 16mm) are kind of a nightmare to finding a nice strap. I spoke to ABP and Camille Fournet in France and they both wanted me to send the watch in to get custom straps. I am OK with paying for custom straps, but I'm not sending this family heirloom anywhere. shog[1].gif
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I'd be hesitant too but I think that might be the only way to get a strap on that thing outside of using a nato or those straps with a pad, no? Using those would look bad on that watch though. They'd have sew a nice custom strap around the lugs itself, maybe find someone local that could do it?

Maybe a custom strap that you can place on the watch like a nato strap? Have it made in like cordovan from Casa Fagliano or something and since it's custom maybe just have it shorter than a regular nato specific to your wrist so you can just wrap it around perfectly and be able to wear the watch?
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I'd be hesitant too but I think that might be the only way to get a strap on that thing outside of using a nato or those straps with a pad, no? Using those would look bad on that watch though. They'd have sew a nice custom strap around the lugs itself, maybe find someone local that could do it?

Maybe a custom strap that you can place on the watch like a nato strap? Have it made in like cordovan from Casa Fagliano or something and since it's custom maybe just have it shorter than a regular nato specific to your wrist so you can just wrap it around perfectly and be able to wear the watch?

Local custom would be great. Does anyone do nice straps here in the Bay Area?
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This guy is in Napa. But he mostly does stuff for Panerai type pieces...

 

http://vintagerstraps.com

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This guy is in Napa. But he mostly does stuff for Panerai type pieces...

http://vintagerstraps.com

Thanks! I sent him an e-mail.
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Local custom would be great. Does anyone do nice straps here in the Bay Area?


http://www.aprilinparis.us
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@Dino944, @rfx45, @dopey, I can't pretend to a fraction of your knowledge in the world of watches, but I do have some insight into the grey market after some interesting conversations with people who make a living that way: what Prestige Time have said doesn't surprise me, because aside from the odd individual making back door deals with ADs, most of the grey market is supplied directly and willingly by manufacturers.  As my acquaintance put it "it's like cheating on your wife".  And pretty much all of them do it, just with a certain amount of discretion.

 

It makes some sense: if we accept that a big part of the desirability of a piece is its brand identity, then protecting that identity is the manufacturers interest.  However much we might make seemingly empirical judgements about this piece over that, I think most of us would accept that the brand has a power in itself.  The Moser might be as good as the equivalent Patek.  But we'll pay a premium for that little calatrava cross, whether we like to think of it that way or not.  And I think the bigger the brand, the more this is true.  

 

Let's take IWC as an example - a company that's spending heavily on making it's brand seem exclusive and aspirational (something we've discussed here before).  Let's say they launch a new Portuguese chronograph in three colours - black, white and green.  Everyone wants the white one.  The green one gets a cult following on the watch blogs, and sells solidly.  The black tends to sit in the window for a long time.  Now, in any other business, you'd knock something off the price of the black one and clear it out that way.  January sale, 30% off the black one, fine.  Except that then you have to put a big discount/sale sign in all your boutiques.  That does not fly well with the image of exclusivity and luxury that they've invested so heavily in promoting.  It also encourages people to ask for the same discount on the green one and the white one - after all, if it's possible on one, and they all started at the same price, why not?  And worst of all, the new aspirational IWC customer then learns to wait for August or January and the sale, to get a deep discount on a new watch.  None of these things are what IWC would want.

 

So, enter the grey market.  All the colours stay in the boutique at full price.  The black ones eventually cease to be re-ordered.  But the existing stock, instead of going on sale in the boutique, gets sold at cost to Pierre Le Gris of Zurich.  Pierre then sells them at a discount in bulk to international corporations looking for discounted VIP gifts (a $10k watch for $6k, and the vice presidents don't care about the colour because it's a $10k watch as a gift), or to certain heavy consumers who just like to buy five watches at a time.  IWC sell Pierre as many as he likes, and so do many other companies.  As he put it, when I asked him what he had in stock: "Whatever I have will be something that nobody likes, in a large quantity!".  They might even sell direct to Prestige Time or other large grey dealers.  Therefore, Johnny Cheapskate can get his discounted watch, because he's not the guy who will ever buy from the boutique at full price, and neither are those corporate bulk buyers - they have a competitive purchasing process and have to show the savings.  In the mean time, the actual boutique customer never sees discounts, and maintains the perceived $10k value in his priceless consumer brain.

 

Coming back to the warranty, then, if you're a company that does sell to the grey market, there's no problem.  You don't want to support the AD who's cheating, by backing his brother in law who sold a couple of watches out of the back door.  But honouring your manufacturer's warranty for your trusted grey dealers - people who don't advertise next to your ADs, or even supply the same markets maybe - is no problem.  Those discount buyers still tell their friends about their watches, and looking after them is still in your interest.

 

In conclusion, then, it's worth checking the warranty arrangement as it's going to vary from dealer to dealer and manufacturer to manufacturer: they all have their trusted friends.  But if a watch is on the grey market in any numbers then it's got to be with the maker's blessing, so chances are there's some way of finding it with a warranty.

 

And now, a black-dialled dress watch, just because.  

 

 

Dino might not love you, Langematik Perpetual, but black or white, you make my heart go boom boom...:)

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