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Originally Posted by jorijori View Post

Greetings from a newbie here...

My current favorite watch Breitling 1450 circa 1970s, diameter 42mm. It is quite versatile as a daily dressy/sporty watch.

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Funky, but I like it! Great vintage looks IMO.

But I would have to dispute its use as a dressy watch, though.

I think that one falls squarely into the "sporty" category only.....depending upon one's individual definitions.

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

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I like the VC Patrimony Traditionelle.  I think it represents a great value and is a classic, very elegant design.  If you don't already have a dress watch and don't plan to get another for a while, I could see this as being a very lasting design that would serve you well.  I think its elegant without looking like an "Old man's watch."  While production isn't as low as say a Moser, its hardly a watch that you will see on "everybody else" if that sort of thing matters to you.  I got my first VC about 12 years ago, and unless I attend a VC event, I never see anyone else wearing a VC...and even then most times its an Overseas.  Wishing you luck with whatever you decide.  Cheers. 

Still considering this one myself amongst several others (the Traditionelle, that is)-- and I think I have personally resolved one "issue" that I had with this watch: the hands.

Namely, I think the fact that it has (gorgeous) Dauphine hands.... it somehow reminded me, or registered for me.... as perhaps too Calatrava-like.

Which isn't really fair to the Vacheron, of course. It's an awesome watch in its own right.

I love the sub-seconds, love the sapphire back. Excellent VC movement. Great size for a contemporary dress watch (38mm).

The Vacheron-ness is quite evident in the piece overall, with the case details, the minute track. And oh yeah, DAT BUCKLE!

Plus, the simple fact is, Patek doesn't really "own" Dauphines, so to speak.....there are plenty of manufacturers that have used them. Too many examples to name, really. (And I suppose "Breguet hands" would fall into this category as well). The use of both is quite widespread.

So after looking at these pics again, I think it finally clicked for me.

I believe subconsciously, that was what was giving me that "cold" feeling.

Does that make sense to anyone? I just wouldn't want to buy what I consider to be a "substitute" watch....especially for that kind of $$$. That notion has been discussed here on TWAT many times over.

Anyway, sorry for the tangent. I will continue navel-gazing over my pending dress watch purchase (Vacheron or otherwise) until further notice.

The journey is often the best part anyway!
Edited by Keith T - 9/24/14 at 12:39pm
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Also, just for fun, here's a quick snap of my Khaki (on a "Bond" Zulu), alongside .... some other chronograph.

I think Serena likes 'em both, but perhaps not equally LOL.


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Just call me Mr. Big Time.wink.gif





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For those looking at the VC Patrimony Traditionelle, I also wanted to offer the following new boutique edition. It's not limited to a specific number, but it really is a stunning watch in the flesh. I tried it on at the VC boutique on Madison and it really further warms up the Traditionelle. The guilloche is superbly done.




If you can swing it, this would be my choice amongst the two versions - and re: Keith's Patek look-a-like concern, the guilloche moves it completely away from there as well.
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Patek comparison doesn't really bother me, as said before it doesn't really take anything away from the watch.

That is the NY exclusive I believe and it is nice indeed but I like the Tokyo (not Hong Kong as I stated before) exclusive better. Probably wouldn't even hesitate or look elsewhere if these were readily available in the US.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Patek comparison doesn't really bother me, as said before it doesn't really take anything away from the watch.

That is the NY exclusive I believe and it is nice indeed but I like the Tokyo (not Hong Kong as I stated before) exclusive better. Probably wouldn't even hesitate or look elsewhere if these were readily available in the US.

Wow, I have never seen that before...Absolutely stunning. Completely bonkers.

(although on a detailed look, I prefer the guilloche pattern (barleycorn??) on the NYC version to the more radial version on the Tokyo edition.)

Tokyo is one of my favorite cities and I highly recommend, so RFX, maybe a trip is in order?
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^ wow… that is fantastic. nod[1].gif
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Resale value doesn't really bother me since I don't sell my stuff much, I actually never sold any of my watches or any clothes or shoes for that matter.
Exclusivity isn't a main criteria for me but it's definitely a plus, especially from a company who doesn't make too much watches usually means the post sale service tends to be amazing (at least that's what I've heard/read in other forums).

I was actually surprised that the AD I tried the watch on yesterday would not budge a single cent on the price, the watch has been sitting in the display for must be more than a year now. No biggie though, I know other dealers who would (even if not by much) and surprisingly PrestimeTime.com actually provides VC warranty (I thought they were a grey market dealer and can't do that? They also provide full warranty for Lange iirc) so I can go with them for a decent discount and be tax free too.

I don't sell clothes, but every once in a while I have decided that a watch just isn't getting wrist time, and so it needs a new home and its funds go into something else that I'll wear more.

 

As for after sales service, I can't speak on that issue.  I don't know anyone that owns one. However, with small companies, I do get concerned about parts availability years down the road.  A friend bought his wife a nice watch.  After 5 - 10 years the bezel was damaged.  He wanted to have it replaced, but the part was no longer available...so he was SOL.  I don't know much about H. Moser, if they are owned by a big company, that might be less of an issue.

 

I'm pretty surprised that the AD where you tried on the watch would, budge on price.  Its not a rare or impossible to get watch.  

 

As for Prestime or others, check with VC to see if they are an AD.  If they aren't, then the fact that they are giving the the warranty paperwork, might be meaningless and worthless.  I know a guy that purchased an AP RO chrono years ago from a gray dealer.  He had the warranty/paperwork etc.  His watch had a problem so he dropped it off with AP.  They some how learned it wasn't purchased from the AD, the warranty was worthless and he had to pay the repairs out of pocket.    You may never have a problem while a watch is under warranty, but just make sure you know for sure from VC (or any other manufacturer, whether they will honor the warranty if the watch is bought from a place that may not be an AD).  At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the seller tells you, it matters what the manufacturer says and whether they will honor it.  

 

 

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Originally Posted by Keith T View Post

Still considering this one myself amongst several others (the Traditionelle, that is)-- and I think I have personally resolved one "issue" that I had with this watch: the hands.

Namely, I think the fact that it has (gorgeous) Dauphine hands.... it somehow reminded me, or registered for me.... as perhaps too Calatrava-like.

Plus, the simple fact is, Patek doesn't really "own" Dauphines, so to speak.....there are plenty of manufacturers that have used them. Too many examples to name, really. (And I suppose "Breguet hands" would fall into this category as well). The use of both is quite widespread.

So after looking at these pics again, I think it finally clicked for me.

I believe subconsciously, that was what was giving me that "cold" feeling.

Does that make sense to anyone? I just wouldn't want to buy what I consider to be a "substitute" watch....especially for that kind of $$$. That notion has been discussed here on TWAT many times over.
 

I get what you are saying.  While I disagree about it seeming Calatrava -like, or as maybe a substitute, but I just don't see it.  To me dauphines, breguet hands, leafs, swords, battons, etc., either work with the overall design of a watch or they don't.  So many companies use all of the above styles of hands (or variations of them) for dress watches, that I just don't see any of them as being Patek, VC, AP, etc.  Perhaps Breguet hands to me seem like the right style for a Breguet watch, but I've liked them on other brands also.  

 

I however, I have seen watches I liked and either something about the dial, or the choice of hands used, made it unappealing to me.  As silly as it sounds, I considered one watch, but didn't like the shape of the seconds hand...so I nixed it.  

 

Its the details that personalize a watch and make it the right watch for each of us.  So if the hands bother you, it probably isn't the right piece for you even if everything else comes together nicely. 

 

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Originally Posted by CHRK33 View Post

For those looking at the VC Patrimony Traditionelle, I also wanted to offer the following new boutique edition. It's not limited to a specific number, but it really is a stunning watch in the flesh. I tried it on at the VC boutique on Madison and it really further warms up the Traditionelle. The guilloche is superbly done.




If you can swing it, this would be my choice amongst the two versions - and re: Keith's Patek look-a-like concern, the guilloche moves it completely away from there as well.

A beautiful watch!  Although, I'd probably have to see it side by side with the standard model.  I kind of like the contrast that seems more visible in the minute track on the standard model.  Still each are beauties. 

 

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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

That is the NY exclusive I believe and it is nice indeed but I like the Tokyo (not Hong Kong as I stated before) exclusive better. Probably wouldn't even hesitate or look elsewhere if these were readily available in the US.

Sounds to me like your solution, is make a road trip out of it.  Buy a plane ticket to Tokyo, visit the boutique and bring home a VC souvenir ;)  

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This thread always makes me drool. I can't compete with some of the beautiful pieces in here, but these are my two favorite watches that I rotate through often.

 

1960s vintage Omega Constellation (was my grandfather's)

 

Nomos Club

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Potentially of interest to folks in the Bay Area.

 

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post


As for after sales service, I can't speak on that issue.  I don't know anyone that owns one. However, with small companies, I do get concerned about parts availability years down the road.  A friend bought his wife a nice watch.  After 5 - 10 years the bezel was damaged.  He wanted to have it replaced, but the part was no longer available...so he was SOL.  I don't know much about H. Moser, if they are owned by a big company, that might be less of an issue.

I'm pretty surprised that the AD where you tried on the watch would, budge on price.  Its not a rare or impossible to get watch.  

As for Prestime or others, check with VC to see if they are an AD.  If they aren't, then the fact that they are giving the the warranty paperwork, might be meaningless and worthless.  I know a guy that purchased an AP RO chrono years ago from a gray dealer.  He had the warranty/paperwork etc.  His watch had a problem so he dropped it off with AP.  They some how learned it wasn't purchased from the AD, the warranty was worthless and he had to pay the repairs out of pocket.    You may never have a problem while a watch is under warranty, but just make sure you know for sure from VC (or any other manufacturer, whether they will honor the warranty if the watch is bought from a place that may not be an AD).  At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the seller tells you, it matters what the manufacturer says and whether they will honor it.  



Sounds to me like your solution, is make a road trip out of it.  Buy a plane ticket to Tokyo, visit the boutique and bring home a VC souvenir wink.gif   



Moser is a family owned independent company and that adds a certain charm to the brand. Maybe it's just me? Looks like Moser isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon but you make a good point about parts being unavailable in the future. Just reading experiences from smaller companies usually means they can give the buyer more attention and really focus on helping and fixing any problems. I'll try and contact the company and see what kind of response I get.


As for PrestigeTime, they promise all original VC warranty and passports are included. They seem reputable and they only offer original warranty so VC and Lange but on others, they just offer they're own warranty. It is kind of weird, they are located in NY and I am not sure if they have a storefront. I'll ask further just to clarify though.


I do like Tokyo but I hate dealing with boutiques. Only way I'll travel out of the country to get a watch is to go to Hong Kong and get some deep, deep discount. Not to pay extra by travelling and then paying retail, which is probably much higher in Yen than USD. lol8[1].gif
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And oh yeah, another OP pic. biggrin.gif


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There is some conflicting information on the Prestige Time website:

This makes it seem like sometimes you get a manufacturer's warranty:
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Watch manufactures dictate that their watches be sold via Authorized Dealers at full or close to retail price through a storefront setting only. Being that here at PrestigeTime.com we sell our watches online with the goal of offering discounted prices, we do not, therefore, qualify for the Authorized Dealer status for any brand that we offer. The watches we offer are sourced from direct authorized dealers and agents, or from trusted 3rd party dealers, both locally & internationally. Watches purchased from PrestigeTime.com are identical in nearly all manners to those bought from an Authorized Dealer. The sole difference, for select watches only, would be in the supplier of the warranty. Since we are not Authorized Dealers for any brand of watch we offer, we may not be able to supply the original warranty, in which case, we substitute the manufacturer's warranty with a Prestige Time warranty for either 2 or 3 years. The Prestige Time warranty covers manufacturing defects & battery replacement if necessary. The warranty we offer with each watch is clearly stated in the description of each individual watch. Please click here to read a detailed explanation of our warranty policies.

But it links to the below, which seems to say that you do sometimes get a manufacturer's warranty, but you have to go through them and they send it through their authorized dealer original supplier
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Warranty – detailed explanation:
The manufacturers dictate that their watches be sold through the authorized channels at full or close to full list prices. On the other hand the watches are sold to dealers at anywhere between a 40%-50% discount. We have arrangements with direct authorized dealers/distributors both in the US & internationally where we commit to buy large quantities of goods from them throughout the year. Based upon the quantities we buy the authorized agents sell us the product at a small margin above their cost. This benefits the dealer in two ways 1) they look good with the manufacturer, and 2) they make a quick & easy profit - which they would not have likely done otherwise.

Due to the fact that we are considered an unauthorized dealer – the manufacturer will not honor a warranty on a watch bought through us. However Prestige Time LLC steps in & provides you with an equivalent warranty that mirrors the manufacturer’s warranty.

If in the unlikely event something does go wrong with your watch for 2 years from date of purchase, the watch would need to be sent back to us. If the issue is an easy fix such as a regulation, battery change or a similar simple issue – we have contracted highly qualified professional watchmakers who are capable of correcting these simple issues (water resistance testing after opening the watch & other such concerns are completely guaranteed). Our watchmakers are authorized repair centers for many high end watch manufacturers & can easily deal with these simple corrections.

However if we determine that the defect is of a more serious nature, we will actually have the watch returned to the respective manufacturer through our authorized dealers. The only issue with sending a watch back to the manufacturer is the lead time. Unfortunately the manufacturers can take a minimum from anywhere between 4-8 weeks to repair a watch, sometimes longer if parts are back ordered.

But this, which you get with VC from them, seems more promising:
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Manufacturer Warranty - defined by "All Papers Included":
In some circumstances Prestige Time LLC is able to pass along an authorized dealer stamped warranty card. In the detailed description of each watch we clearly state which warranty is provided. In the case where we can pass along the manufacturers warranty we will clearly state "All Papers Included".

When the manufacturers warranty is included with the watch, we will include the original authorized dealer endorsed warranty card, in which case any warranty service requirements shall be handled directly between the consumer and the manufacturer. That is not to say we will not assist in getting the warranty service. In the unlikely event that something goes wrong with your watch, we encourage our customers to contact us & we will direct you on where to send the watch & how to go about getting the warranty service handled.

The Prestige Time warranty will not be in effect if the watch supplied to you comes with the original manufacturers warranty.
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But this, which you get with VC from them, seems more promising:
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Manufacturer Warranty - defined by "All Papers Included":

In some circumstances Prestige Time LLC is able to pass along an authorized dealer stamped warranty card. In the detailed description of each watch we clearly state which warranty is provided. In the case where we can pass along the manufacturers warranty we will clearly state "All Papers Included".

When the manufacturers warranty is included with the watch, we will include the original authorized dealer endorsed warranty card, in which case any warranty service requirements shall be handled directly between the consumer and the manufacturer. That is not to say we will not assist in getting the warranty service. In the unlikely event that something goes wrong with your watch, we encourage our customers to contact us & we will direct you on where to send the watch & how to go about getting the warranty service handled.

The Prestige Time warranty will not be in effect if the watch supplied to you comes with the original manufacturers warranty.


That is exactly what they have on VC and Lange but I am still not sure if they are actually a VC AD or not.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

That is exactly what they have on VC and Lange but I am still not sure if they are actually a VC AD or not.
They are very clear in saying they are not. They have arrangements with ADs, and when you order a watch from them, they turn around and get the watch from an AD who stamps the card as if you bought from the AD rather than Prestigetime.
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