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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

I spent about 3 hours today trying to find out what perlon straps are called so I could buy one.

 

How fast could someone in here have told me?


Had I seen your post right away I could have put you in touch with @whatchs on Instagram, who sells it.
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Had I seen your post right away I could have put you in touch with @whatchs on Instagram, who sells it.

 

Oh, I found them way earlier today. For some reason it didn't occur to me to post here. 

 

I will post pics of my new to me Explorer I on perlon when they both arrive though!

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I have a new Air King on its way to me soon, the blue Explorer style-dial version. It just appealed to me somehow. I'll show it off here once it arrives.
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Oh, I found them way earlier today. For some reason it didn't occur to me to post here. 

 

I will post pics of my new to me Explorer I on perlon when they both arrive though!

 

 

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I have a new Air King on its way to me soon, the blue Explorer style-dial version. It just appealed to me somehow. I'll show it off here once it arrives.

 

Looking forward, EMartNJ and TheWraith!

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I have a new Air King on its way to me soon, the blue Explorer style-dial version. It just appealed to me somehow. I'll show it off here once it arrives.

Congrats on your new addition. You know you owe us some wrist shots when it arrives. Congrats again!
post #35181 of 48312
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Sadly, I am sure that is true. They are only going to get better. There are entire forums dedicated to making replicas as good as possible. Some of them even use ETA movements from what I hear.

Now, ostensibly these are just hobbyists that enjoy the challenge of replicating watches, and maybe for some that is true, but there are just as many people out there, if not more, doing this to cheat buyers.

In Facebook there are some pages that offer fakes. It's impressive, the other day I saw a fake Sub that the guy that repair the watches had, it looked very real. Too much temptation for a thief and the risk to get robbed because of a fake, too much.

I remember I have a friend that once posted on Facebook that in the gym locker room somebody stole his Cartier watch. She was mad and then she said, well it was a replica but nevertheless they stole it from me. I didn't commented anything but I was tempted to put: "Well you bought a fake that was stole from a Cartier model, so you can complain, a thief robbed another thief. lol8[1].gif
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That is amazing. I have that exact watch and mine looks identical; I would never be able to tell them apart. Lucky I bought mine from an AD.
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Absurd.
I would have to agree. Or at least to ADs and sellers that are truly trusted. I think for a lot of people it will really cut down on online purchasing (which will suck for me as a seller) and buying second hand frm smaller operations.
Best fake I have handled to date. There was a Rolex that was a close second, but the date wheel did not spin quite right and there was no box or papers.

Well, for starters, DerekS told me that the cannon pin (the one that goes through the stack of hands in the middle of the watch) should be a hump at the top of the pile, and on this watch, you can see that that pin is inverted, and sits below the top hand. A quick image search showed that the real ones indeed have a hump.

On top of that, I found a very handy post on a Malaysian watch forum that detailed exactly how the case, serial, and movement, numbers, match up and are referenced one to the other between the various papers and cards and the watch back, and these were off a little. The movement number from the COSC paper was not referenced anywhere else, and the serial number was not shown on the stickers, they only had the caseback number and barcode.

The last thing was that I called the AD on the card, and they are no longer a Panerai AD. Could be nothing, as he could have bought the watch when they were ADs, as they were ADs as of the date on the warranty card, but it didnt feel right.

Its all very nuanced, and had I not been on the lookout and had the customer himself not given me pause, I easily could have been fooled.

One thing I do is to always ask an outside source first, in this case, Derek. When you have the customer and the watch in front of you, its easy to get blinded by the romance of the watch and ignore red flags. You need to have another set of eyes to keep you on the ball, imho.

Thanks, @DerekS !
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Absurd.
I would have to agree. Or at least to ADs and sellers that are truly trusted. I think for a lot of people it will really cut down on online purchasing (which will suck for me as a seller) and buying second hand frm smaller operations.
Best fake I have handled to date. There was a Rolex that was a close second, but the date wheel did not spin quite right and there was no box or papers.

Well, for starters, DerekS told me that the cannon pin (the one that goes through the stack of hands in the middle of the watch) should be a hump at the top of the pile, and on this watch, you can see that that pin is inverted, and sits below the top hand. A quick image search showed that the real ones indeed have a hump.

On top of that, I found a very handy post on a Malaysian watch forum that detailed exactly how the case, serial, and movement, numbers, match up and are referenced one to the other between the various papers and cards and the watch back, and these were off a little. The movement number from the COSC paper was not referenced anywhere else, and the serial number was not shown on the stickers, they only had the caseback number and barcode.

The last thing was that I called the AD on the card, and they are no longer a Panerai AD. Could be nothing, as he could have bought the watch when they were ADs, as they were ADs as of the date on the warranty card, but it didnt feel right.

Its all very nuanced, and had I not been on the lookout and had the customer himself not given me pause, I easily could have been fooled.

One thing I do is to always ask an outside source first, in this case, Derek. When you have the customer and the watch in front of you, its easy to get blinded by the romance of the watch and ignore red flags. You need to have another set of eyes to keep you on the ball, imho.

Thanks, @DerekS !
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Good story. Damn these fakes are getting good!
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It was a nice summery day today, in a not so summery city, so I decided to go minimal today. This one has a more interesting history than anything else.

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Good story. Damn these fakes are getting good!

Maybe some have even appeared in this thread, unbeknownst to all.. devil.gifdevil.gifdevil.gif
post #35186 of 48312
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Originally Posted by KenRose View Post

That is amazing. I have that exact watch and mine looks identical; I would never be able to tell them apart. Lucky I bought mine from an AD.

Its a beaut! PIcs of your real one perhaps?

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Good story. Damn these fakes are getting good!

Thanks, PSG. Too good if you ask me.
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Shouldn't it be relatively simple to tell whether it's real by inspecting the movement?

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Usually yes, but not every case back is easy to open, and not every customer is agreeable to doing that. Especially as once the gasket seal is open, the water resistance can no longer be assured to be the same.
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Originally Posted by mink31 View Post

Shouldn't it be relatively simple to tell whether it's real by inspecting the movement?

You'd expect so...



...but, no.

To be fair, that movement is from the infamous PAM 318 model — you don't exactly need a crew of rocket surgeons to knock that one off. Without doubt, part of Richemont's motivation for transitioning to Val Fleurier "in-house" movements for Panerai is due to the ease of counterfeiting something that uses the (solid/reliable, but very easily available) Unitas 6497 calibre.

But as far as I'm concerned, the only thing that's to be said on the subject of fake watches is that they suck balls.
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"Infamous", was that the "limited edition" 2-3 years back, causing the outcry over using a 30 bucks mass produced movement (actually don't think that's exaggerated by the look of it) and charging high single k digits for it?
That's when Panerai lost it for me. Talking about taking 'cynical' to another level.
Edited by DeSense - 9/5/14 at 3:38am
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