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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Sometimes you buy things that aren't important or aren't the best value just because you like them.

Exactly. That'll likely be the case here. Resale value has never been an issue on anything I've purchased, I buy and keep forever, whether it is musical instruments, watches, whatever. So whether I like it is the most important. I just wanted input I what others like in that class.
post #35162 of 48312
Three cheers for DerekS, the fakebuster.

And here I thought he was just another pretty face!


Way to mind your due diligence, stitchy ... it's a mad world out there.

Very glad you were able to protect yourself on this one.

Some crooks go to such great lengths, and take so much effort and trouble just to cheat somebody, that I often wonder: couldn't they apply themselves to a legitimate enterprise and be just as economically successful?!
post #35163 of 48312
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Sadly, I am sure that is true. They are only going to get better. There are entire forums dedicated to making replicas as good as possible. Some of them even use ETA movements from what I hear.

Now, ostensibly these are just hobbyists that enjoy the challenge of replicating watches, and maybe for some that is true, but there are just as many people out there, if not more, doing this to cheat buyers.

Just out of curiosity, how do you break this kind of news to the owner? Do you just say I'm sorry we can't take this, or do you tell him outright that you believe the watch is fake? I'd imagine in many cases the owner may not even be aware. There was a case on another board where a guy bought a fake AP Survivor, had the strap changed out by the AD, and only upon posting pics of his watch on the forum did he discover it was indeed a fake.
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Originally Posted by TC (Houston) View Post

Just out of curiosity, how do you break this kind of news to the owner? Do you just say I'm sorry we can't take this, or do you tell him outright that you believe the watch is fake? I'd imagine in many cases the owner may not even be aware. There was a case on another board where a guy bought a fake AP Survivor, had the strap changed out by the AD, and only upon posting pics of his watch on the forum did he discover it was indeed a fake.

99.9% of people with fakes that are trying to sell them to shop owners know they are fakes. They are trying to cheat you. I just told him that there was limited interest in this model and that without a solid offer for from someone in my network that was ready to buy, I could not invest in the watch.

Meaning, dude, its a fake, nice attempt at stealing our money but no cigar.

He knew what I meant and smiled and said, Ok, no problem. Anyone with a legit watch would have pushed the envelope for any kind of offer. A good crook knows when the jig is up and when to fold em, they take no very well and move on to another mark.

The only exception to this was a college kid with what I was pretty sure was a fake Omega PO. he got mad at me and was pressing for an offer. The whole deal smelled bad, he was all "dressed up" like he was trying to force some impression of being important. It just didnt feel right. I very nicely told him sorry about 10 times. He threatened to ruin us online...... But I just held my ground and he left. Never to be heard from again.

I could have called the cops and made a big deal in a kind of attempt to save the next mark, but it would be almost impossible to explain this to a cop, and its hard to prove that I am right to those not in the know, so he would have skated anyways.

The only times I had people with fakes that did not know, was with, erm, more lower class clientele that had been given gifts or bought it on the street and they legitimately thought what they had was real. They meant no harm, so no reason to crush their hopes. Also, it could get very contentious with that kind of accusation and that kind of customer, so its never worth it.


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Thanks, Keith.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


99.9% of people with fakes that are trying to sell them to shop owners know they are fakes. They are trying to cheat you. I just told him that there was limited interest in this model and that without a solid offer for from someone in my network that was ready to buy, I could not invest in the watch.

Meaning, dude, its a fake, nice attempt at stealing our money but no cigar.

He knew what I meant and smiled and said, Ok, no problem. Anyone with a legit watch would have pushed the envelope for any kind of offer. A good crook knows when the jig is up and when to fold em, they take no very well and move on to another mark.

The only exception to this was a college kid with what I was pretty sure was a fake Omega PO. he got mad at me and was pressing for an offer. The whole deal smelled bad, he was all "dressed up" like he was trying to force some impression of being important. It just didnt feel right. I very nicely told him sorry about 10 times. He threatened to ruin us online...... But I just held my ground and he left. Never to be heard from again.

I could have called the cops and made a big deal in a kind of attempt to save the next mark, but it would be almost impossible to explain this to a cop, and its hard to prove that I am right to those not in the know, so he would have skated anyways.

The only times I had people with fakes that did not know, was with, erm, more lower class clientele that had been given gifts or bought it on the street and they legitimately thought what they had was real. They meant no harm, so no reason to crush their hopes. Also, it could get very contentious with that kind of accusation and that kind of customer, so its never worth it.


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Thanks, Keith.

Excellent response.

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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Sometimes you buy things that aren't important or aren't the best value just because you like them.

People should always buy what they like regardless of other's opinions.  The OP doesn't know us, and we don't know him, or his sense of style and what might work best for him as alternatives.  Only he will know if that is the perfect watch for him, regardless of price.

 

He asked our opinions, and so several of us stated for that kind of money we would choose something else.  If he has $15K available there are far finer watches he could choose from, but if he is set on that Omega then he should go for it and enjoy it.  

 

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

Sadly, I am sure that is true. They are only going to get better. There are entire forums dedicated to making replicas as good as possible. Some of them even use ETA movements from what I hear.
 

Some of the "Best" fake Rolex watches use real Rolex parts, and I had heard that is one of the reasons Rolex confiscates all old parts and at least in the USA, only sells new parts on a trade in basis.  You want a new dial, they keep the old one.  You want a new bezel, they keep the old one.  They do not want people cobbling together fraken-watches or fake watches using a few authentic used parts.  

 

The market for fakes be it watches, hand bags, or others goods is so lucrative that as bigger counterfeiters continue to make more money, they will have more money to invest in producing better/more accurate looking fakes, and it will become much tougher to distinguish real ones from fakes.  

 

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I'm not a Piaget guy though, I don't like dinner plates.

There are various sizes available for Piaget Altiplanos.  IMHO they only start to resemble dinner plates when you go with the models that are over 40mm (although I've thought the same thing of VC's Patimony Contemporaine, even when theirs are 40mm).  But to each his own.  

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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Sometimes you buy things that aren't important or aren't the best value just because you like them.

People should always buy what they like regardless of other's opinions.  The OP doesn't know us, and we don't know him, or his sense of style and what might work best for him as alternatives.  Only he will know if that is the perfect watch for him, regardless of price.

 

He asked our opinions, and so several of us stated for that kind of money we would choose something else.  If he has $15K available there are far finer watches he could choose from, but if he is set on that Omega then he should go for it and enjoy it.  

 

I like this thread (and generally this forum) because I can ask questions, get opinions, and no one overvalues their own input. In other places, the Dino equivalent poster could respond with "you could buy that watch, but you'd be a dumbfuck!" I get the point everyone is making, it's why I asked. If I thought the watch was worth the asking price, I wouldn't question it. But it is a watch that is more attractive to me than any other I've seen at any price range (I have very specific personal tastes) and I was just looking for input and for anyone else to show me what they like better as a fresh perspective.

 

I appreciate all of the conversation.

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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

But holy crap they are making serous fakes these days.

Here are some pics:






Can't tell from your photo,but were the concentric circles evident on the second dial,and the rectangular box framing the date?
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Yes defo to the circles, cant recall about the date.
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It's like the Antique business.The more you handle the genuine article,the easier it becomes to trust your gut.Unfortunately most of us do not have that luxury,and so due diligence is imperative.
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Fakes have come a long way...my brother in law got me a fake panerai as a gag gift and the number 12 fell right off the face before I could get it home
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Tried and True View Post

Sometimes you buy things that aren't important or aren't the best value just because you like them.

People should always buy what they like regardless of other's opinions.  The OP doesn't know us, and we don't know him, or his sense of style and what might work best for him as alternatives.  Only he will know if that is the perfect watch for him, regardless of price.

 

He asked our opinions, and so several of us stated for that kind of money we would choose something else.  If he has $15K available there are far finer watches he could choose from, but if he is set on that Omega then he should go for it and enjoy it.  

 

I like this thread (and generally this forum) because I can ask questions, get opinions, and no one overvalues their own input. In other places, the Dino equivalent poster could respond with "you could buy that watch, but you'd be a dumbfuck!" I get the point everyone is making, it's why I asked. If I thought the watch was worth the asking price, I wouldn't question it. But it is a watch that is more attractive to me than any other I've seen at any price range (I have very specific personal tastes) and I was just looking for input and for anyone else to show me what they like better as a fresh perspective.

 

I appreciate all of the conversation.


Precisely. Welcome to TWAT. Love it here. Glad you got great feedback!
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I spent about 3 hours today trying to find out what perlon straps are called so I could buy one.

 

How fast could someone in here have told me?

post #35174 of 48312
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I spent about 3 hours today trying to find out what perlon straps are called so I could buy one.

 

How fast could someone in here have told me?

I think someone here actually sells them and has a link in their sig

 

Edit: Yep. @FrankCowperwood 

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:rotflmao:

 

Oh well. It was an adventure which awarded me the straps I desired and a pretty comprehensive knowledge of what's out there. 

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