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Another modest contribution, and apologies for crappy cell phone pics. Still haven't mastered the wristie. (lame!)



What do people think of FM watches? They appeal to me in a sort of understated bling sort of way, provided they aren't too big. I nearly went for a used on once but got something else instead. Do they make their own movements?
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Guys. And by guys I mostly mean Dino. I have read a number of times that all the hands and markers on Rolexes are gold. Is that correct?

Tifosi, is correct the hands and hour marker surrounds are white gold.  

 

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So the hands and numbers on a steel Rolex are gold? EG on an EX2 are the surrounds to the 'dots' for numbers gold and the hands gold?

Yes, the surrounds to the lumed "Dots" and the hands are white gold.  

 

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The hands for sure on the most recent SS Rolex's are WG, I do not know about the surrounds on the hour markers but I would assume so.

 

Also the numbers on the Cerachrom bezel of the GMT are thin layers of platinum.

Yes, the hands and the surrounds for the lumed hour markers are white gold on SS models and yellow gold on the YG markers etc.  The steel models have had white gold used for the hands and hour marker surrounds for several decades.   

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What do people think of FM watches? They appeal to me in a sort of understated bling sort of way, provided they aren't too big. I nearly went for a used on once but got something else instead. Do they make their own movements?

They aren't really my thing, and many are overpriced considering what they provide.  Some of their watches, at least in the past relied on other makers for some of their movements.  I believe some were ETA based.  

 

Relative to the FM that is pictured above, I'd much rather have the watch that they borrowed their ideas from the VC 1912.  

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FAKE!

 

Oh snap! Beckwith you are a trendsetter here. :smarmy:

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Is there any particular reason? They could easily get away with making them SS in SS watches?

Edit: that was in response to the thread on gold markers.
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Is there any particular reason? They could easily get away with making them SS in SS watches?

Edit: that was in response to the thread on gold markers.
Probably so people would stop complaining about the price of an all SS watch. Now they can say "See...we have precious white gold in there". BTW, I am very much pro-Rolex. I am just also very much pro-sarcasm.
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They aren't really my thing, and many are overpriced considering what they provide.  Some of their watches, at least in the past relied on other makers for some of their movements.  I believe some were ETA based.  

Relative to the FM that is pictured above, I'd much rather have the watch that they borrowed their ideas from the VC 1912.  

OK, thanks, not my thing then. So presumably the 'master of complications' spiel is a bit of 'artistic licence'.
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Probably so people would stop complaining about the price of an all SS watch. Now they can say "See...we have precious white gold in there". BTW, I am very much pro-Rolex. I am just also very much pro-sarcasm.

OK - they could have swizzled me, no trouble!
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The watch is about 13 years old or so. I am not sure about the movement inside as I have never opened it. I was intrigued by the shape and thought the strap system was pretty cool, making it really easy to change them. Not everyone's cup of tea, but this is when he owned the brand. Don't see them often.
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FAKE!

LOLLL, classic. smile.gif
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LOLLL, classic. smile.gif
I pulled a "Beckwith" on @no frills Instagram post the other day and got everyone all upset. LOL
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I pulled a "Beckwith" on @no frills Instagram post the other day and got everyone all upset. LOL

LOL yeah I'm sure they did!
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If you are speaking of modern watches, I'd say maybe some very complicated watches from big names, made in small numbers.  However, most modern watches are made in such large numbers that I don't think many modern watches that are in the under $20K range will have that much potential for significant appreciation.   

@Dino944 : Do you think something like the Peter Roberts Grand Complication 5 will appreciate much?

http://www.peterrobertswatches.com/
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Thanks for the conf on the Rolex gold, gents.
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OK, thanks, not my thing then. So presumably the 'master of complications' spiel is a bit of 'artistic licence'.

Franck Muller was/is a very talented watch maker.  I don't think everything that has his name on it, necessarily reflects that.  I think his more complicated pieces may have more technical merit and went well beyond merely putting mass market movements in stylish cases.  The brand's less expensive pieces I think reflected that they were the brand's entry level watches.

 

If anything, I read an interesting article by a well known VC enthusiast and watch collector who credited FM with the drastic rise in prices that we have seen with watches during the last 15+ years.  If one looked at pricing for watches 15-20 years ago it remained relatively stable and you could purchase a nice 18Kt gold dress watch from Patek, AP, VC for say $6,000-$9,500 before a discount.   What they all noticed was the FM was doing quite well selling his all steel watches for about the price of their gold watches.   Then all of the sudden pricing on basic Pateks went into the low teens, then high teens, then low twenties and so on.  The same happened with other companies be it AP, VC, Piaget, JLC, etc. It wasn't inflation, or cost of materials, although those had gone up somewhat.  It was that upon seeing what FM was selling they believed (and maybe correctly since no one balked) that they had been under pricing their watches for years. 

 

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@Dino944 : Do you think something like the Peter Roberts Grand Complication 5 will appreciate much?

http://www.peterrobertswatches.com/

While I do not possess a crystal ball to tell the future, I don't think the Peter Roberts Grand Complication 5 will appreciate much.  If a person wants to buy from a small outfit and have a watch that they believe the owner/watch maker of the company may have strong involvement in the production of their personal watch, I get that. However, even if he is great watch maker and person in the world of watches, independents tend to have a very limited market and therefore a very limited chance to appreciate in value.  Look at auction results and they tend to be very strong for some of the very established brand names like Patek, AP, VC and Rolex...but once you get away from those brands...you just don't seem to see the big numbers that you see with those brands even when looking at pieces from other well known brand names.  

 

I would also say that the Grand Complication 5, is far from a design that I think people would consider universally beautiful or classic looking.  So I think that would hurt its chances also.  I personally find it rather unattractive...but even if it were a great looking watch, watches of lesser known brands rarely appreciate significantly. 

 

I like some of the work from independents.  Some make spectacular watches.  However, if you wanted to sell or trade them either now or in the future, I think you would either have trouble finding buyers and/or you might have to take a big loss.  So buy from the independents if you love what they are making, and if you are not someone that would be concerned about resale value.  If in 20+ years that changes and everyone wants watches from independents and they have appreciated, it will be a nice bonus.  However, if things stay as they are you will still have a watch you really like and you won't be disappointed. 


Edited by Dino944 - 8/14/14 at 1:56pm
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