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My grail Patek is 5711/1A-010. That is what I'm saving for as well.


5170G looks too close to my Daytona happy.gif

J/K! It's amazing.
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Good point Newcomer. What are we considering "mid-range" Patek?

I personally love the 5130 (scissor hands).... would go Platinum if allowed LOL. That blue in the center of the dial just kills me. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Good point Newcomer. What are we considering "mid-range" Patek?

I personally love the 5130 (scissor hands).... would go Platinum if allowed LOL. That blue in the center of the dial just kills me. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

The thing that pushes that watch out for me is the hour hand. It makes the hour and minute hands look like 1/2 a pair of scissors.

post #33799 of 48312
Part of its charm for me!

But yes I could see where that could be a big turnoff for others.

EDIT: I normally settle such disagreements via breakdance fighting. Name your time and place, sir.
Edited by Keith T - 7/18/14 at 7:36am
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Also, a general response to Belli's and Frill's well thought out posts.

In hindsight, I feel like I really underestimated the importance of typeface, especially in a perpetual calender or perpetual calender chronograph. I have always wondered how Patek consistently makes the most aesthetically pleasing dials on their high complication watches. Or I guess the better phrasing: I have always wondered why Patek is often the only brand capable of creating an aesthetically pleasing perpetual calendar / perpetual calendar chronograph. Even Lange does not create (in my opinion) timepieces that are nearly as refined.

And I guess, especially with regards to the older dials, it really is the details that shine through. With all the text on the dial of the high complications, the baton markers, numerals, and even the dial itself are not as noticeable as the sea of numbers. And things like the 6 and 9 (the open ones) really draw you into the dial in a manner that you may not even notice.

It really is a difficult thing to describe / quantify, but I guess I have a fairly rudimentary understanding of design.

 

+1 to this.

 

For example, I admire JLC's recently introduced perp cal in steel.  Great price range.  But the dial, subdials, and moonphase aren't anywhere near as well executed as Patek's IMHO.  Patek does a fantastic job cramming in a ton of complications into an aesthetically pleasing package that (in NewC's words) really draws you in and comes across as lovely versus... too busy.

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Don't really mess with him and remind him there's a discontinued 3572.50 with hesalite sandwich ...... :stirpot: 

 

 

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+1 @Betelgeuse I faced the same decision a few months back. Always lusted for a display case back so that ruled out the 3570.50 for me. The domed hesalite crystal on the now discontinued 3572.50 won my heart. Depending on if it comes with box and papers, prices range from $2.6-3.3k.

 

Would you guys mind sharing some pics? :D

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What do you think of Rolex Milgauss ? Thought adding it to my IWC F.A Jones ..

If you look a few pages back you will see there was a recent discussion about the Milgauss, and several people here seemed to like it a lot. 

 

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In hindsight, I feel like I really underestimated the importance of typeface, especially in a perpetual calender or perpetual calender chronograph. I have always wondered how Patek consistently makes the most aesthetically pleasing dials on their high complication watches. Or I guess the better phrasing: I have always wondered why Patek is often the only brand capable of creating an aesthetically pleasing perpetual calendar / perpetual calendar chronograph. Even Lange does not create (in my opinion) timepieces that are nearly as refined.

+1

 

Belli really raises the bar to new levels when it comes to analyzing the dials on watches!  

 

One of the most important things about a watch is its dial, as we look at it several times a day. Yet its often one of the most overlooked aspects of a watch.  Something as simple as going from Arabics to Romans or vice versa can have a dramatic affect on a watch.  Years ago there were 2 similar Pateks the 5015 and the 5054 (its successor).  Whether one likes the size, bezel, or officers case is a separate matter.  To me the dial on the 5015 was far more elegant and whimsical using much more stylized numbers, while the Romans on the 5054 looked a bit stodgy and you lost all of the hour marker numbers on the bottom half of the dial.  

 

I don't agree with everything Patek does with its designs or dials, but they generally get it right with many of their perpetual calendars and perpetual calendar chronos.  I'm not sure I'd say Lange doesn't not create pieces that are as refined, unless maybe you are solely referencing their own perpetual calendars.  As for the quality of their workmanship, its top notch, and some would say exceeding that of Patek.  However, if its solely, about dial design, I agree that some of theirs are just off, at least in my eyes.  I don't love their perpetual calendar watches, and many have heard me rant about not loving the original Datographs which had a dial containing Romans, Arabics, and sticks.  Lange makes great watches, but some of their dials are hit or miss IMHO.

 

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I really enjoy the PP discussion, @Belligero is spot on in my eyes.

A quick challenge: Say you were to liquidate a collection of watches and buy a modern mid-level Patek, which one would you choose? Investment value might be interesting, but highly unpredictable of course. But it needs to be one with a certain promise of a future classic, worthy of passing down to the next generations.

To spend you have, lets say: 80k USD. Give or take.

I am thinking the 5170 chrono. Lovely new in-house chrono movement, classic(ish) size, sober but interesting dial. But I've always been one for chronos over calendars

What would be your choice?

Here the 5170G, white gold:

Does it have to be new or could it be pre-owned.   I'd probably consider some of their perpetual calendars if going pre-owned.   I've tried the 5170 on and overall its a very nice watch, but I can't say I walked away loving it.  Not sure why.  

 

To me the curvaceous applied Arabic numbers seemed a bit too dressy/fussy for a chronograph, and the case seemed a bit too dainty (especially compared to previous chronos Patek has produced).  I may have preferred the case if it were used for a time only dress watch.  However, overall its lovely watch, and if it makes you smile go for it.  

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Yes, Thank You. I am sorry, I didn't read this thread for several days and just posted the question regarding Milgauss. Interesting time coincidence ..

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I want to be clear about something. When I disagreed with Belli about Arial, I was not trying to say that it was any kind of optimal choice, it is certainly "beneath" many of the specs of the watch in question. As well, I greatly appreciated and enjoyed what he had to say, and the excellent dial discussion it brought out.

All I was saying was, that for me, its not as grave an error as it is for him.
post #33805 of 48312
To me perpetual calendars and chronographs can never look refined as designs no matter who makes them, there is simply too much going on. That is why a Nomos or similar time only watch looks better as there is clarity, white space and clean lines.

I realise this may not be a common opinion but as an older person I can only admire the craftsmanship of such complicated watches as I can barely see what they are trying to show me.
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Downside of Hesalite (@ 11 )
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I think the regular black dialled Milgauss along with the black dial ExpII are the most underrated watches from Rolex

post #33808 of 48312
do love, but im a sucker for the blue dial/green crystal combo.
post #33809 of 48312
It's a spectacular looking watch, just a little "out there" for my taste smile.gif Handled the black dial/green crystal in denmark last week and I have to say it had me seriously tempted, but I always go for the boring choice biggrin.gif
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do love, but im a sucker for the blue dial/green crystal combo.
post #33810 of 48312
nothing wrong the simple sweet awesomeness that is your milgauss!
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