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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, JLC etc...) - Page 2250post #33736 of 483127/17/14 at 8:37ampost #33737 of 483127/17/14 at 8:45amIIRC this was in your budget, but it's long been sold out. SINN Jubilaum. I'm sure with a little work you could find one. At your budget it would be hard to beat SINN.Quote:Originally Posted by billsmith
After a few months of lurking I’m ready to ask for some advice from this knowledgeable crowd. Seeking suggestions for my son’s college graduation present within the following parameters:
post #33738 of 483127/17/14 at 9:15amQuote:Look, it's not about hating Arial, as crappy and lame as that typeface happens to be. There's no emotional component involved, and it's only a symptom of the real problem.
Appropriate for an everyday business casual environment, but not out of place with a suit
Stylish, but not flashy
Medium case size, with a 6½” wrist I’m guessing 40mm and under
Strap, not bracelet
Budget of $2,500 – higher than the Poor Man’s thread, but perhaps sub entry level for you guys. Would consider venturing into the preowned market, but would have more comfort if the sellers had a U.S. brick and mortar presence too, e.g., Govberg
The issue here is that they're so obviously illiterate in what ought to be their core fluency. It wouldn't matter if you commissioned Adrian Frutiger himself to create an ode to his home country of Switzerland in the form of the most elegant and brilliant wristwatch typeface ever conceived; once you stretch, distort and arrange it as badly as Patek has done in the above example, it's going to be pretty clear that you don't know what you're doing.
The fact that they use two extremely lame typefaces that are strongly evocative of soul-crushing cubicle environments — one of which is a blatant ripoff of a legitimate but overused and unsuitable-for-this-application Swiss celebrity — really shows how fundamentally clueless the person behind the screen was. I showed that 5140 dial to a graphic designer friend, and she literally laughed out loud when I told her that it was on a $91000 MSRP product. With this level of basic incompetence from the top house in watchmaking, it's no wonder that normal people consider watches to be a way to separate fools from their money.
Seriously, show that dial to anyone who's clued-in about visual design generally, or typographic design specifically, and see what they think. If it's like today's experience, their first reaction will be that you're trying to pull some kind of joke; it's that bad.post #33739 of 483127/17/14 at 9:22ampost #33740 of 483127/17/14 at 9:30ampost #33741 of 483127/17/14 at 9:30am@billsmith: this could actually get me killed here, but I'm going to suggest....a Tag.
Specifically given your parameters... on strap, <40mm, business casual, less than $2500 new (from a gray dealer such as Authentic Watches) ....how's about this Carrera? I would think it a decent "starter" watch for a college grad, class of '14.
Certainly the recipient would recognize the brand (how can you miss all the billboards and magazine ads?) And it's your basic all-rounder type of piece, but cheaper than say, an Aqua Terra.post #33742 of 483127/17/14 at 9:34amlol belli. you can rant until your keyboard wears through, but its not changing anything for me. yes, i think the stretched numbers are poor, and yes i agree to some of your points, or a lot of them, but arial will never trigger and watch aneurism for me.
you keep harping on it, and how it was obviously a brainless decision.... but you have no idea how they came to that conclusion. i keep looking at the 5140, and of the things that bother me, the "font" is not one of them. no not in the least.
sure, call me a boor, but i think its fine. could it be better? sure. is it horrific and indicative of all the things you say, i dont think so.post #33743 of 483127/17/14 at 9:36ampost #33744 of 483127/17/14 at 9:39ampost #33745 of 483127/17/14 at 9:41ampost #33746 of 483127/17/14 at 9:47ampost #33747 of 483127/17/14 at 9:48ampost #33748 of 483127/17/14 at 9:51amQuote:Originally Posted by DLJr
This popped up on Hodinkee and is related to all the NOMOS discussion.
For $1,900 that is a great watch. The small seconds crept up into no mans land but a little lower...even like 1mm or 2 and they would have had me.post #33749 of 483127/17/14 at 9:57amQuote:Quote:Originally Posted by DLJr
I have been the buyer, I went with the original (3570). I like the domed hesalite more. I also like that I can easily get rid of the scratches on the hesalite. It definitely scratches much easier than sapphire, but it's a simple at home fix. The inscription on the 3573 also bugged me because it's wrong. All that said, there are plenty of people who have chosen the 3573 and loved it. I'm not sure there is a wrong choice, in fact both isn't even a bad choice. In the end, I didn't consider the price tag, I just went with what I preferred and that would be my recommendation after trying both side by side if possible.
@Betelgeuse you really need to look at both (maybe you have already and i missed it). The Hesalite (3570) vs. sapphire (3573) has been and will forever be debated on. If this were me and it was going to be something I wore daily, I would probably opt for the sapphire due to its increased ruggedness. However, if this was going to be a part of a nice collection you want to build, Hesalite all the way. in fact, it's on my short list of "Next Watch"post #33750 of 483127/17/14 at 9:59amQuote:Originally Posted by Belligero
Anyone that bought into the "A Patek is forever" "You never really own a Patek" line for their new stuff, thinking that they're going to appreciate like the older ones, is likely to be severely disappointed. I just don't see the same quality of design any more. The dial is such an important element on any watch, let alone something of horlogerie calibre; I'm truly amazed at how much their standards have slipped. They're not the only company that's suffering from this computer virus, either.
Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong.
I find it amusing marketing, but something to be taken with a grain of salt. I think the variations in quality and design, are things that some will overlook. Many Pateks go up in value at least in the short run by a few thousand dollars, the minute they go out of production. People start speculating on value and some will buy a watch just to get into a brand that has a reputation for appreciating.
Beyond their ads, I've seen sales people discuss vintage pieces and the prices they fetch at auctions to sell new pieces. However, beyond the quality issues that may exist on some levels, its a matter of quantity, and what the watch buying public believes. I've heard SAs trying to sell a person on a 5110 by telling them what vintage world time Pateks with cloisonne dials sell for and some newbies fall for it. A few issues with that, a 5110 is worlds apart from say a 2553 in terms of labor to create the dial, rarity, and ability to appreciate. Back when a 2553 was made, people wore them, they didn't save them and put them in a vault. So survivors in great condition are rare. Over the last 10-15 years people put all sorts of modern Pateks, AP, VC, etc into vaults waiting for them to appreciate (and some will, some won't), but they will never be as scarce or difficult to find as their vintage brethren. Not to mention, Patek now makes something like 45,000-50,000 watches per year, which is far greater than their annual production numbers in the 1940, 50s, and 60s.
I've seen SA's say the same about vintage Rolex Explorer IIs at auctions in an effort to sell a person on a modern one. Again only newbies should fall for the idea of mistaking that modern Ex2s will ever be as rare or valuable as an original 1655.
That doesn't mean modern watches aren't worthy of owning, or passing down to future generations. Simply, that one should buy the watch because its what they truly like, rather than based on the idea that modern watches have the same room to appreciate as vintage pieces do. If you buy a quality watch, it should last a lifetime, and you can pass it on to love ones when you are gone. If it brings them a fortune should they decide to sell it, that is great, but not something most people should rely upon when deciding to purchase a watch.
Still with other forms of investments not yielding the returns people would truly like to see, I think many modern complicated watches from high end brands will continue to sell quite well, unless the bubble eventually bursts and their is a "Market correction."
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