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I'd wear my Speedy today, but I can't stop wearing this. Totally violates most my rules, too. 

 

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What are the other two iyo? (Ay, do you see how you're sucking me in?)

well, hard not to include the speedy, even though i really dont love the metal bracelet, a croc strap is an easy switch.

truth is, i did not have 2 others in mind, but i try not to speak in absolutes, as when i do, its almost inevitable to find a foot in my mouth.
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It's definitely a violation.  But I like it.  It's such a monster of a thing, and somehow so..Japanese.  I can really get the "Tuna" love.  The Landmaster is awesome too, really distinctive and appealing as an unusual casual beast.

 

I can't quite get into your dressier GS Spring Drive, to be honest, for reasons you've heard a dozen times, and quite justifiably decided you don't give a shit about.  But for a dressier Spring Drive, I rather like the original:

 

 

It's still got a 3 o'clock date, which is a pet hate for me on a dress watch in particular, and the power reserve is probably too big and almost randomly arranged.  But there's a balance in that imbalance, the lack of superfluous text really makes it more classy, and I like the case too.

 

I think I get your fixation with these things.

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Ha ha! A spring drive with the power reserve going in the right direction.
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i 100% agree with the fabricated hype, fabricated supply issues and also the boner-inducing gorgeousness of the Daytona, especially in any gold. it's a kool-aid i'm fine with drinking.

and as much as i hate it, i will have to shell out the monies to buy one eventually, just not while value plays into the equation.

i've been wearing the two-tone speedy on leather for the last day or so and when i look at it and think "this is roughly $8k less expensive than the equivalent daytona" it makes me feel smarter than i really am.

also, the wind-up movement on the speedy pro is a deal killer for me... expensive watches are already impractical... now i have to remind it that it's a watch every day? no thanks.

i think this piece being automatic, white dial, some 18k involved (though not enough of it) and then having all of the other features of the pro (proportions, dial arrangement, domed hesalite crystal, etc.) make this an under appreciated piece and a total bargain being that they are readily available for $1,800 - $2,500 all day long.

i've had to stop typing this post a couple times to admire it in fact.... okay i'm done now.
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figured i should throw a pic in since the other one is a coupe pages back now.

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these things MSRP'd around $6k 20 years ago...adjusted for current MSRP and then comparing to current market pricing is an interesting exercise and probably supports the argument for Daytona ownership if you're buying new or near new.
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I felt the same way. I am a huge fan of the Daytona and have been for a very long time, and was surprised by my complete lack of desire to own one after having the chance to wear one for a few days. I felt like I was losing my mind, I have always been a huge fan of Rolex and naturally assumed I'd be blown away by the classic ne plus ultra stainless steel option in the Rolex lineup ...and came away a bit crestfallen.

I still consider them one of the most handsome chronographs on the market. I even love the two-tone with the silver/grey dial and the WG version is a literal jaw-dropper, but in the end the piece just isn't for me and I will continue to admire them from afar.

I love the old Sun/Moon!  Great watch!  I came close to buying one years ago as my first dress watch, but went with a square VC.   I'm happy with my choice but still adore the original manual wind Sun/Moon.  One of these days I have to add a Reverso to my collection.  

 

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Daytonas are nothing but fabricated hype to me. I'm not surprised the OP feels that way. And, no, I am not anti-Rolex. I am very much pro-Rolex.

The so called hype, was not originally fabricated.  When it used the cal 4030 based on the El Primero, Rolex was dependent upon Zenith for movements, so they only had a limited supply to use in their watches.  With the released of the 4130 the supply issue eventually became a non-issue once production was up to speed on the new watch & movements.  However, the watch still carried the hype of being ultra difficult to source for several years. 

 

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Your feeling about the hype is understandable but to me it's the whole package. One of the 10 best chrono movements in the world, history, heritage and the fact that it can be perfect for meeting room and the beach.

Its a very versatile watch and one of great quality.  It has a great deal to offer, and for many years they were very under priced.  I bought my steel Daytonas both 16520s and 116520s for between $4350 and $6500.  Back in those days an IWC with a basic Val 7750 was $5,000 on a steel bracelet.  Breitlings used ordinary movements in most of their watches.  Most Speedys other than the Speedy Pro was used Val 7750s, and the Speedy wasn't using the more collectible Cal 321.  AP and VC chronos were 2-3 times the price.  BPand Breguet were also more expensive and had relatively crummy resale value.  

 

Today, other brands have become more competitive, but the Daytona still holds its own.  In its price range and for less, there just isn't much that I were choose in its place.  For me a Speedy Pro would be nice to have in addition, but not in its place.  

 

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You can appreciate the aesthetic and technical aspects of a Daytona, but if you choose to do so you'll have to deal with the baggage of its association with mafiosi and celebrity culture. With a Speedy, you get astronauts instead. 

Each are great watches.   As for images are things we live with regardless of which brands we choose.  Omega has tarnished the Speedys for me with far too many stupid commemorative editions.  A freakin Peanuts Snoopy edition Speedy?  WTF.  Then there was the Michael Andretti Speedy, that was ugly.  A  How about the I know how to parallel park edition.  Maybe they can release a 46th year landing on the moon, and then a 47th, 48th etc.  Sorry, great watch, but too many pointless limited editions dilute its image.  I also find it bizarre that Omega essentially makes a Speedy that looks sort of like a Paul Newman Daytona.  

 

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If the speedy had a screw down crown and pushers, there would literally be no reason to go with the Daytona, as the Speedy is the markedly sharper looking and more robust of the two.

Sorry couldn't disagree more.  I don't think anyone specifically goes with a Daytona over a Speedy simply because of screw down pushers and crown.  For everyday wear, its more practical, a 72 hour power reserve, sapphire crystal, greater water resistance, blue parachrom hair spring making it largely unaffected by magnetic fields, a tad more dressy than the Speedy so I think if you have to it looks better with a suit, and personally I find it the more attractive of the 2.  In addition, if you want to talk about robust, after cal 321 was replaced, several of the parts became plastic rather than metal...so you don't actually get the same watch they made in 1969.  I also bashed the heck out of an old  Daytona 16520, and it never had a single issue. It was dead on accurate no matter what I did with it or to it....I eventually sold it for twice what I paid and bought another brand new one, for about half of what I got for it, and had the same watch with a brand new warranty, and extra spending money...you sure as hell couldn't have done that with a Speedy.  

 

The Speedy is very nice watch, but there are other reasons beyond screw down pushers and crowns for going with a Daytona.  I can hardly wait for your next statement, what will it be, "The only reason people choose and Patek over a JLC is because they prefer Patek deployant's over that of JLC's style of deployant.   

 

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The twisted lugs of the Speedy are far more interesting and classy.

 

If you are going to get a gold chronograph, might as well have it be one with character, presence, and history, like the rare Gold F1 Carreras:

 

Again I disagree completely.  The twisted lugs are fine, but not my favorite styling element of that watch.

 

And if you want to live in fantasy land, why not choose manual wind Paul Newman Daytona in gold with the Cartier signature on the dial.  It doesn't get much rarer or have more presence than that.

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Each are great watches.   As for images are things we live with regardless of which brands we choose.  Omega has tarnished the Speedys for me with far too many stupid commemorative editions.  A freakin Peanuts Snoopy edition Speedy?  WTF.  Then there was the Michael Andretti Speedy, that was ugly.  A  How about the I know how to parallel park edition.  Maybe they can release a 46th year landing on the moon, and then a 47th, 48th etc.  Sorry, great watch, but too many pointless limited editions dilute its image.  I also find it bizarre that Omega essentially makes a Speedy that looks sort of like a Paul Newman Daytona.  

Sorry couldn't disagree more.  I don't think anyone specifically goes with a Daytona over a Speedy simply because of screw down pushers and crown.  For everyday wear, its more practical, a 72 hour power reserve, sapphire crystal, greater water resistance, blue parachrom hair spring making it largely unaffected by magnetic fields, a tad more dressy than the Speedy so I think if you have to it looks better with a suit, and personally I find it the more attractive of the 2.  In addition, if you want to talk about robust, after cal 321 was replaced, several of the parts became plastic rather than metal...so you don't actually get the same watch they made in 1969.  I also bashed the heck out of an old  Daytona 16520, and it never had a single issue. It was dead on accurate no matter what I did with it or to it....I eventually sold it for twice what I paid and bought another brand new one, for about half of what I got for it, and had the same watch with a brand new warranty, and extra spending money...you sure as hell couldn't have done that with a Speedy.  

The Speedy is very nice watch, but there are other reasons beyond screw down pushers and crowns for going with a Daytona.

i agree with all of this.

to me there are two reasons to go speedy over daytona.. one is the subjective 'feel' on the wrist which is impacted by the less subjective budget issue. the watch has to FEEL the difference in price and the Daytona looks it and has the image to justify and then all the technical mumbo-jumbo but it just doesnt wear that much better to me.

your commemorative editions of the speedy argument is as good a counterpoint as can be made however. i cannot argue that.
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Dino, we need more pics of that Vacheron. It's a beautiful watch.
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So I'm in this bar in NYC and this one guy walks in with these two commonplace watches. Ho hum. I wasn't impressed at all.

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i really have a hard time comparing the daytona and the speedy at all. they are both watches and they are both chronographs, but the similarities pretty much end there imho. two totally different watches that appeal to two totally different sets of buyers.
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i really have a hard time comparing the daytona and the speedy at all. they are both watches and they are both chronographs, but the similarities pretty much end there imho. two totally different watches that appeal to two totally different sets of buyers.

I agree with everything you said with exception to your last statement. LOL

 

 

 

 

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So I'm in this bar in NYC and this one guy walks in with these two commonplace watches. Ho hum. I wasn't impressed at all.

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Yawn

 

 

 

I mean, OMG!!!

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So I'm in this bar in NYC and this one guy walks in with these two commonplace watches. Ho hum. I wasn't impressed at all.

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Insane! Wow.
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i agree with all of this.

to me there are two reasons to go speedy over daytona.. one is the subjective 'feel' on the wrist which is impacted by the less subjective budget issue. the watch has to FEEL the difference in price and the Daytona looks it and has the image to justify and then all the technical mumbo-jumbo but it just doesnt wear that much better to me.

I've said it several times here.  No one watch can be everything to everyone.  I like the Speedy, there is a lot to like about them, but even the Speedy I would choose is different than the model you chose.  If everyone here liked and had the same watches, this would become a very dull place.

 

I get the idea of a watch fitting better, some are too large, some too small, some too bulky, some are too flat.  I've tried on ultra thins that weren't right for me, and very chunky watches that weren't comfortable for me.  I also get the idea of just plain old liking one watch more than another, even if its just based on its appearance.  I also get how budgets and prices can be important when making a decision.  I also get the idea of looking at two watches in different price ranges and being able to see a difference in fit, finish, design, and construction that can justify a huge price difference.  I'm not sure I get the idea of a having to feel the difference in price/and wearing that much better.  I've tried on watches ranging from about $1,000 to probably $400,000.  I'm just not sure I would agree that price has anything to do with how a watch wears.

 

There are watches that I thought looked better on me, and some that felt more comfortable,...but none that wore better or worse so as to justify price.  

 

In the end, you have a watch you are happy with that that's what matters.  Cheers.   

 

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Dino, we need more pics of that Vacheron. It's a beautiful watch.

 

Hi Hayward, thank you.  

 

Ask and you shall receive . In the top photo is the Historiques Carree.  Its the first true dress watch I ever owned.  

Below it is a manual wind 1972 Asymmetric watch.  

 

 

 

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So I'm in this bar in NYC and this one guy walks in with these two commonplace watches. Ho hum. I wasn't impressed at all.

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Both are beauties!!!

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