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As for the good guy/bad guy thing, I don't believe there is such a thing in the world of watches.  Some say Rolex is a big corporate monster in it for pure profit, but many people forget the company is actually owned by/run as a charitable trust.  They were one of the first companies sponsoring and establishing funds for new artists, athletes, and explorers.  So they make and sell more watches than other big companies, but they are basically a charitable organization. In addition, while their watches are expensive, they build in large volume so pricing isn't impossible for most well to do folks to attain (one of my friends, far from wealthy bought a new Rolex Explorer a few years ago by saving the funds he accrued after he stopped smoking).   So does that make them a good guy...plus they don't release a new special edition watch every three months like some companies do.  Or how about AP, they were a company that early on got into charitable things such as Their Time for Trees Foundation, and they are the only one of the big three that still has family ownership and management, which may help them stick to certain core beliefs...then again they do way too many goofy special editions.  There are brands that were basically extinct until resurrected for the purpose of marketing/building a watch that had built in heritage such as Blancpain....so does that make them bad guys.   Or are the only good guys independents, who build what they want and are true to their own ideals?  Then we must keep in mind many independent's build watches that only the wealthiest people can afford, keeping their horological creativity out of the hands of most mere mortals...so does that make them bad guys?  In my mind there are lots of things right and wrong with a variety of watch companies so there truly are no good guys or bad guys
 

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among many other models or theirs that i adore. in a way, its kind of a shame imo that the popularity of the RO overshadows pretty much everything else they make. it also is probably do to the fact that most of their models are priced well beyond what most folks can afford.

 

I agree its a shame as they have had some interesting pieces in the past (although a few dogs too, look up AP Bamboo watch).  However, the public speaks with their purchases and the Offshore Royal Oaks and Royal Oaks are what people mainly want and purchase from them.  Even when they tried offering new models such as the Edward Piguet (rectangular model: time only, chronograph, perpetual calendar, tourbillon) or the John Schaeffer models, they never really captured the public's attention.  I think they hang on to the Jules Audemars and Millenary models to have some type of current round dress and non-round dress watch to offer AP collectors.  In addition, for many years RO's such as the 15300 and now the 15400 were the most accessible models to the public even though they were still significantly more expensive than say and "Entry level" Rolex, IWC, or Breitling.  So I think ROOs and ROs will continue to overshadow their siblings.  

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I just, today, received this beast after selling it off a couple of years ago. I knew I would correct that mistake at some point.
The Japanese Domestic Market only Seiko Marinemaster300 SBDX001
 

Congrats on your new addition!  Now you owe us some wrist shots!!!

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Nice Seiko, T

do you mind sending me a link where you got yours please? (PM is cool)

Dino - well said about the good guy/bad guys in watches, although it's an interesting and insightful view proposed by B in the first place. I would agree with you though. It's a free market, we buy what we want not what we're forced to, so by rational we choose what watch is right for us - good, bad and sometimes (often times) ugly.
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Nice Seiko, T

do you mind sending me a link where you got yours please? (PM is cool)

I got this one and my last one from Higuchi. Just email Katsu.
http://www.higuchi-inc.com
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I just, today, received this beast after selling it off a couple of years ago. I knew I would correct that mistake at some point.
The Japanese Domestic Market only Seiko Marinemaster300 SBDX001

I've been a Seiko man for as long as I can remember. I really liked this watch when I had it, but I sold it off to pursue other Swiss interests. It's one hell of a watch for ~$2k US with it's unadjusted Grand Seiko movement. I'm obsessed with dive watches and this is one of the best in my opinion.

I've got to say, I absolutely love that watch. Such a nice looking Diver. One of the best, especially for that price. I really would like to examine one up close and see how it wears, but that appears to be rather difficult without ordering one. I may have to pick one of those up used some day.
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I've got to say, I absolutely love that watch. Such a nice looking Diver. One of the best, especially for that price. I really would like to examine one up close and see how it wears, but that appears to be rather difficult without ordering one. I may have to pick one of those up used some day.
I agree on all points. It was a bit scary ordering it the first time around, sight unseen. It's thick, but it wears really well.
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I just, today, received this beast after selling it off a couple of years ago. I knew I would correct that mistake at some point.
The Japanese Domestic Market only Seiko Marinemaster300 SBDX001
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I've been a Seiko man for as long as I can remember. I really liked this watch when I had it, but I sold it off to pursue other Swiss interests. It's one hell of a watch for ~$2k US with it's unadjusted Grand Seiko movement. I'm obsessed with dive watches and this is one of the best in my opinion.

Congrats! Great diver.
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EXCELLENT good guy/bad guy post, @Dino944. so well said.

yeah, AP has had some dogs, but so has literally every other brand, big and small. they also have some excellent models. as you said, the general public has not devoured them like the RO/ROO, but they really are hard at their price point. you have to really have the moolah and the AP love to spend the dough when you have other options.

just one example, i think the jules audemars below is one of the nicest ultra thin 2 handed models out there, and the movement and skeletonized rotor are stunning. but with an MSRP of 23,500, you dont have a lot of people that will jump on that. its takes someone with resources, and who likely can buy, or already has bought, all kinds of other watches. as opposed to most people who only buy a number of watches throughout their lifetime, that are looking to get more bang for the buck.

not to mention that many of their high complication models that i LOVE, are high 5 figure and well into the 6 figure range, up to quarter mil and more. not standard fare for over 99% of people in the world.




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I just, today, received this beast after selling it off a couple of years ago. I knew I would correct that mistake at some point.
The Japanese Domestic Market only Seiko Marinemaster300 SBDX001



I've been a Seiko man for as long as I can remember. I really liked this watch when I had it, but I sold it off to pursue other Swiss interests. It's one hell of a watch for ~$2k US with it's unadjusted Grand Seiko movement. I'm obsessed with dive watches and this is one of the best in my opinion.

 

Congratulations!  Fantastic pick-up.

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Congratulations!  Fantastic pick-up.
Thanks, frills.
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 obfuscatory when it comes to their manufacturing disclosure.

 

Now that is a can of worms worth opening, and much more important, empirically I think, than whether or not one likes the concept of a particular special edition.  Go on, Belli, spill those worms, baby!

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New strap courtesy of @LA Guy and SF. Now I just have to wait on that title change. This will probably end up on a NOMOS at some point, but I thought this made for a fun combo (or at least a patriotic one).
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EXCELLENT good guy/bad guy post, @Dino944. so well said.

just one example, i think the jules audemars below is one of the nicest ultra thin 2 handed models out there, and the movement and skeletonized rotor are stunning. but with an MSRP of 23,500, you dont have a lot of people that will jump on that. its takes someone with resources, and who likely can buy, or already has bought, all kinds of other watches. as opposed to most people who only buy a number of watches throughout their lifetime, that are looking to get more bang for the buck.



Thanks Stitchy.  I agree, the 2 hand Jules Audemars is an exceptional watch, and the famous 2120 movement is superb.  I think its definitely a watch, much like Patrimonys, or Calatravas, that appeals to people who don't need lots of complications/toys to justify price, and who want a classic dress watch.  I really saw no need for a gold dress watch for myself until I was in my early 30s.  Its definitely not a watch that I see appealing to a younger crowd the way ROOs and ROs may. 

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^^If I was going to have a $20k dress watch, that would be it.
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