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+1. People thought I was crazy for using my 116610 ceramic Sub to dive. I thoroughly enjoyed using it.
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yes. Keep in mind that these are tool watches and that is how they were meant to be used. For example, I often use my rotating bezel, together with the day counter, to keep track of the intervals between when I have to water the plants. Some ferns like 80 hours between waterings. So after I water them, I set the day counter to 31 (why there is no zero marker is beyond me) and zero the bezel on the hour hand. So when the day counter shows 3 and the hour hand has moved 8 segments (or to the 40 minute mark), I know it is time to water the ferns again.
Same with yogurt making.

It is true that there are other ways to keep track of time intervals safely, but, really, nothing beats a good tool watch.

Poast of the day.

This gave me a good chuckle.
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+1. People thought I was crazy for using my 116610 ceramic Sub to dive. I thoroughly enjoyed using it.
No doubt members of the same stunned herd that posts questions on typical watch forums along the lines of: "Is it safe to have my 2000-m-rated diver's watch near running water? I'm afraid of humidity."

How they'd manage to get on a airplane, given their complete dependency on O-rings - just like watches use - for things like fuel and hydraulic systems, is beyond me.

I think it's crazier NOT to dive with it.
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Well, here she is. As far as I can tell Rolex is indeed finally delivering SD4000s to US ADs at a slow but consistent pace, starting last weekend. Not forum claims of "hey I saw the SD4000 in Las Vegas or Chicago or Tourneau in NYC last weekend." This one came from a US AD, and this one is sitting on my wrist as I type this out.

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As Belli noted, the SD4000 hits all the right, "balanced" notes. For people who complain about the chunky lugs of the new ceramic Subs, the SD4000's lugs are a teeny weeny bit (in the millimeters, really) more tapered, but is still chunkier than older models (which is a plus for me since I like the "heftier" look for sporty watches). Here's a pic of the SD4000 beside my SubC ND:

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Note how the SD4000's crown guard shape also makes it look "more tapered" than the "more square" look for the SubC. Case sizes are both 40mm, although I haven't taken a Belli-style measuring instrument to them (which showed us here in TWAT that the "Daytona 40mm" is really 38.5mm)... so this claim is based on Rolex's official statements.

What about thickness? At 15mm the SD4000 has substantial wrist presence, although in pictures it's hard to tell that it's much thicker than the SubC ND's 12.5mm, when looking just at the case:

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But from the same pic above, once you look at the lugs as well, you can see how the SD4000 is thicker than the SubC ND FROM THE SIDE. Interesting that the lug taper renders the SD4000 "sleeker looking" from the front, 'no?

The DSSD at 17.5mm, on the other hand, is "only" 2.5mm thicker than the SD4000. Note that this is the same jump from the SubC ND to the SD4000!)... but still looks substantially thicker side by side:

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It may well be because of the domed crystal of the DSSD (which by itself is already 5.5mm!) - very different look when viewed from the front, notwithstanding the fact that I put my DSSD on a red RubberB strap:

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(Of course the DSSD's case size is also 44mm, a full 10% larger than the SD4000 at 40mm).

All in all, I love the SD4000. If I must have ONLY one watch that strikes that "balance" between (a) having a substantial hefty wrist presence but (b) having sleeker lugs and crown guards and (c) sports a date function but (d) does not have a cyclops and finally (e) boasts all the modern conveniences like the glidelock clasp and its micro adjustment system (which the Subs have), the diver's extension link (which the Subs do not have - but the DSSD does), the cerachrom bezel insert, maxi dial lit by Chromalight for older eyes... AND (f) isn't so "in your face" as the DSSD, then SD4000 hits all these notes.

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I don't think that fans of the DSSD will find it a replacement for that bad a** look and the domed crystal. Of all of Rolex's currently produced models, only the DSSD boasts that magnificent domed crystal and for that alone I think it will keep its most ardent fans from switching to the SD4000.

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But, for what it's worth in Frilly-land, I've taken the last few weeks to assemble my set of Rolex dive watches. Like TC, I put the Hulk on a white RubberB strap since the missus uses that most often - and it looks stunning on her:

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Family shot:

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Much to Dino's delight (I'm sure), I'm keeping the SD4000 on its original bracelet. The others will stay on their straps, for variation and for the hotter summer months. I quite like how I consistently reach for all of them depending on the occasion and mood.

I think this round of frillyvolousness is over, hope you enjoyed the ride! Till the next round...
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That SD is absolute, modern Rolex perfection. It is officially on the list.
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I think this round of frillyvolousness is over, hope you enjoyed the ride! Till the next round...

 

Congratulations, Frilly!  May your frillyvolity return soon and often.  

 

Though I don't like rubber straps a lot, I love how you've given four such conceptually similar watches these very different personalities.  It all makes so much more sense this way.  As for the SD, the shape is just peachy and it's really enlightening to see them all side by side.  If only it didn't have that day counter, it would be perfect...:)

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Frills,

 

First congrats!  That SD4000 is a beauty!!!!  :inlove: Thanks for the review, and the comparison with your SubND and DSSD.  Interesting, the lugs on the SD4000 although a bit tapered compared to the SubND and DSSD, they are not as tapered as I thought they would be. They are still much chunkier than the lugs of the non-ceramic models of the past.

 

It is also clear how massive the case of the DSSD is compared to the SD4000.  The SD4000 is definitely more in line with a case size that I like and could wear a lot...I know you love your DSSD and that is what matters, but your photo just reminded me of how cartoonishly thick I found it, when I tried it on years ago.  As for crystals on the 2 watches, a domed crystal on a current pieces it makes little difference to me, I find it more appealing on vintage watches.  

 

I do think Rolex has a winner with the SD4000.  Great looking watch, with great details in a very wearable package.  If I decide to go pick up another Rolex, I think the 2 contenders for me would be the SD4000 and the BLNR.  Thanks again for a very helpful review, it will definitely give me some things to consider on a future watch purchase.  Congrats again and enjoy that new beauty!!!! 

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Congratulations, Frilly!  May your frillyvolity return soon and often.  

 

Though I don't like rubber straps a lot, I love how you've given four such conceptually similar watches these very different personalities.  It all makes so much more sense this way.  As for the SD, the shape is just peachy and it's really enlightening to see them all side by side.  If only it didn't have that day counter, it would be perfect...:)

 

You, of course, get the point, mimo.

 

How shall I put it in SF terms?  Suede, calf, balmoral, blucher...  they all have their place, and time. 

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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

Frills,

 

First congrats!  That SD4000 is a beauty!!!!  :inlove: Thanks for the review, and the comparison with your SubND and DSSD.  Interesting, the lugs on the SD4000 although a bit tapered compared to the SubND and DSSD, they are not as tapered as I thought they would be. They are still much chunkier than the lugs of the non-ceramic models of the past.

 

It is also clear how massive the case of the DSSD is compared to the SD4000.  The SD4000 is definitely more in line with a case size that I like and could wear a lot...I know you love your DSSD and that is what matters, but your photo just reminded me of how cartoonishly thick I found it, when I tried it on years ago.  As for crystals on the 2 watches, a domed crystal on a current pieces it makes little difference to me, I find it more appealing on vintage watches.  

 

I do think Rolex has a winner with the SD4000.  Great looking watch, with great details in a very wearable package.  If I decide to go pick up another Rolex, I think the 2 contenders for me would be the SD4000 and the BLNR.  Thanks again for a very helpful review, it will definitely give me some things to consider on a future watch purchase.  Congrats again and enjoy that new beauty!!!! 

 

Thanks, Dino!

 

Yeah, you are totally on point about the DSSD.  It is batshit insane cartoonishly thick and wildly out of proportion, based on aesthetics that most would find appealing, attractive and ideal.  It is kind of like how I feel about action stars of today, all of whom seem to need to be ripped and muscular versus the old Charles Bronson-type "tough guy."  

 

This is Chris Evans in Captain America, a role for which he had to bulk up significantly:

 

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I would say that his proportions appeal to a lot of men (and a TON OF WOMEN).  Perhaps he is the SD4000.

 

On the other hand, here is one of the action star icons of the 1980s that arguably started this whole trend towards the muscularization of believable action heroes:

 

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Juiced? Yes.  Cartoonishly out of proportion?  Absolutely.  Tons of ardent fans still inspired to this day to pick up weights?  Yes.  Hahahaha.  I suspect THIS is the DSSD to Chris Evans's SD4000...

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Also, I am so sorry for posting pics of half naked muscular men. Let's cleanse that palate. Here is Kate, the Princess of TWAT, who turned 22 yesterday:

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Did anyone greet her on TWAT? No? We are a disgraceful lot, really.
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Great review!

Similar to another poster above, I'm also in the BLNR or SD4000 decision-time camp. (I own two EXPIIs, one black dial and one white, so already have a crazy love affair.)
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Thanks guys, your nice replies made me look for similar pics, and while I haven't any as good as that one, I'm gonna post anyway ;-)

Some of the pics will be more like holiday snaps than quality watch photos, so everything's spoilered for those just wanting to scroll through: Warning: Photos and random musings (Click to show)
My first real watch - after a few month's stint with a Cartier Tank that I was too young for as a teen - was a no-date Sub 14060 that I saved up for, after letting the Cartier go. For about 20 years it was my one-watch and hardly ever left my wrist, including when showering, sleeping, playing tennis or travelling in the seedier parts of the caribbean. Always on it's bracelet.

While I didn't think to grap watch shots back then, here it is worn during a climb to the summit of Mount Ruapehu, an active volcano and the highest point on New Zealand's North Island.

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That trip also saw the watch through: sand tobogganing, dolphin watching, black and white water rafting, mountain biking, sea kayaking, river canoeing, heli hiking to the top of Franz Josef glacier and trekking the Kepler track in two days.

New Zealand collage (Click to show)
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Here's a recent shot of how it's held up to all the abuse:

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A few years ago I added a Pam 177, worn here on the peak overlooking Capri (where we stupidly hiked to under the mid day sun):

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It's on the other OP rubber strap, the accordion:

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Italy collage (Click to show)
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And, less strenuously, here it is worn with all linen, having a Negroni on Plaza Real in Barcelona:

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- on a Bruno strap from Di Stefano:

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Barcelona collage (Click to show)
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Now, this summer I'm mostly wearing the sub and the Mk XV on NATOs, like so:

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cheers.gif and thanks for looking.
Great post, thanks for sharing! The spoilering is far too modest, as it's always nice to see photos of these things actually being used, especially of that quality.
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Well, here she is. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
As far as I can tell Rolex is indeed finally delivering SD4000s to US ADs at a slow but consistent pace, starting last weekend. Not forum claims of "hey I saw the SD4000 in Las Vegas or Chicago or Tourneau in NYC last weekend." This one came from a US AD, and this one is sitting on my wrist as I type this out.

ryta3e9y.jpg

As Belli noted, the SD4000 hits all the right, "balanced" notes. For people who complain about the chunky lugs of the new ceramic Subs, the SD4000's lugs are a teeny weeny bit (in the millimeters, really) more tapered, but is still chunkier than older models (which is a plus for me since I like the "heftier" look for sporty watches). Here's a pic of the SD4000 beside my SubC ND:

y7ega2ah.jpg

Note how the SD4000's crown guard shape also makes it look "more tapered" than the "more square" look for the SubC. Case sizes are both 40mm, although I haven't taken a Belli-style measuring instrument to them (which showed us here in TWAT that the "Daytona 40mm" is really 38.5mm)... so this claim is based on Rolex's official statements.

What about thickness? At 15mm the SD4000 has substantial wrist presence, although in pictures it's hard to tell that it's much thicker than the SubC ND's 12.5mm, when looking just at the case:

uneraguz.jpg

But from the same pic above, once you look at the lugs as well, you can see how the SD4000 is thicker than the SubC ND FROM THE SIDE. Interesting that the lug taper renders the SD4000 "sleeker looking" from the front, 'no?

The DSSD at 17.5mm, on the other hand, is "only" 2.5mm thicker than the SD4000. Note that this is the same jump from the SubC ND to the SD4000!)... but still looks substantially thicker side by side:

qazabu4u.jpg

It may well be because of the domed crystal of the DSSD (which by itself is already 5.5mm!) - very different look when viewed from the front, notwithstanding the fact that I put my DSSD on a red RubberB strap:

bu8a5e3e.jpg

(Of course the DSSD's case size is also 44mm, a full 10% larger than the SD4000 at 40mm).

All in all, I love the SD4000. If I must have ONLY one watch that strikes that "balance" between (a) having a substantial hefty wrist presence but (b) having sleeker lugs and crown guards and (c) sports a date function but (d) does not have a cyclops and finally (e) boasts all the modern conveniences like the glidelock clasp and its micro adjustment system (which the Subs have), the diver's extension link (which the Subs do not have - but the DSSD does), the cerachrom bezel insert, maxi dial lit by Chromalight for older eyes... AND (f) isn't so "in your face" as the DSSD, then SD4000 hits all these notes.

damu5a5a.jpg

I don't think that fans of the DSSD will find it a replacement for that bad a** look and the domed crystal. Of all of Rolex's currently produced models, only the DSSD boasts that magnificent domed crystal and for that alone I think it will keep its most ardent fans from switching to the SD4000.

qa6uhumu.jpg

But, for what it's worth in Frilly-land, I've taken the last few weeks to assemble my set of Rolex dive watches. Like TC, I put the Hulk on a white RubberB strap since the missus uses that most often - and it looks stunning on her:

urapajep.jpg

Family shot:

dyzutada.jpg

Much to Dino's delight (I'm sure), I'm keeping the SD4000 on its original bracelet. The others will stay on their straps, for variation and for the hotter summer months. I quite like how I consistently reach for all of them depending on the occasion and mood.

I think this round of frillyvolousness is over, hope you enjoyed the ride! Till the next round...
Looks great!

Agreed that it's a supremely wearable watch, and I think the reduced dimensions of the crown guards contribute just as much to the more-classic look as the slimmer lugs. I'll have to dig out the caliper to check, but the ceramic Submariners measure 40.5 mm across the bezel, and I'm pretty sure that the new Sea-Dweller is identical. You've probably noticed that it's thicker and has more matte surfaces, though:


image source: rolex.com

For me, the proportions are spot-on. It's the one current model where I wouldn't change a single detail, and as you've probably noticed, I'm a bit of a picky bastard when it comes to watches. I wish you much enjoyment from yours. Now take those stickers off and put it to work!
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Also, I am so sorry for posting pics of half naked muscular men. Let's cleanse that palate. Here is Kate, the Princess of TWAT, who turned 22 yesterday:

Thank goodness you posted this picture.  There were far too many half naked men photos in your previous post!  So thank you again for that far more appealing photo of Kate.    

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Thanks all for recommendations on the nato-strapped "sports and general abuse" watch. The Muhle looks very handsome, as does that original IWC.

 

D

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Frills, Dino, and Keith T (aka Master TWAT icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif ) - great pics of your watches and optics. Keith T - your composition was awesome. Lovin' that Omega. Is that new ceramic bezel? The dial is incredibly blue

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Also, Keith, great picture man! And Kaplan, I really like the way that you wear your watches. You have a knack of really showing them in action. I mean, I wear my watches... but I go from my air conditioned car to my air conditioned office.

*Haven't done a long post in a while. Sorry for the shitty phrasing, blame it on the booze.


Thanks, guys....I probably should use the filter options on my phone camera more often LOL. This is actually the 2531.80 Seamaster (pre-ceramic, pre- CoAxial model).

Also, Newcomer, not only do you need to stop sitting around in the AC, but you also need to quit drinking. Less booze money = more watch money biggrin.gif

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Mate, dunno what happened. Didn't see this till alerted by a post elsewhere.

Looks special to me, very impressive nod[1].gif

Cleav, love the new avatar. Best of luck in Brazil.

Unfortunately "The Yanks" are stuck in a horrible group! It could be ugly. The USA could trot out Sir Bobby with dual citizenship, Landon Donovan's receding hairline, and Keira Knightley in that crappy girl-power movie .... and still come up short.

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N.B.  If I win the $5k dress watch challenge (which I must, for including a 36mm Rolex alone), Mr Fok has generously agreed to label me "Pernicious Enabler".  That is all I wish to say, other than to think my fellow TWATters for their sportsmanship. smile.gif

Ha! You will ALWAYS be the "PE" , mimo, regardless of the voting outcome. And you know this.

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Another nice SMP photo (and a helluva shirt)! Love it.

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First thing that comes to mind is a no-date sub 14060. You may have to stretch the budget a little, but aren't they available around this price point second hand? I would be surprised if mine should fetch more than double of what I paid for it new, after having worn it hard for 20+ years (not that I would ever sell it, mind). Preparing a post right now about some of the stuff I've put mine through...

Epic travel pics, Kaplan.

And that's some gorgeous, well-earned patina on your Sub.

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yes. Keep in mind that these are tool watches and that is how they were meant to be used. For example, I often use my rotating bezel, together with the day counter, to keep track of the intervals between when I have to water the plants. Some ferns like 80 hours between waterings. So after I water them, I set the day counter to 31 (why there is no zero marker is beyond me) and zero the bezel on the hour hand. So when the day counter shows 3 and the hour hand has moved 8 segments (or to the 40 minute mark), I know it is time to water the ferns again.
Same with yogurt making.

It is true that there are other ways to keep track of time intervals safely, but, really, nothing beats a good tool watch.

Jeezus, Dopey. Ferns? I nearly spit some coffee on that one.

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Congratulations, Frilly!  May your frillyvolity return soon and often.  

Though I don't like rubber straps a lot, I love how you've given four such conceptually similar watches these very different personalities.  It all makes so much more sense this way.  As for the SD, the shape is just peachy and it's really enlightening to see them all side by side.  If only it didn't have that day counter, it would be perfect...smile.gif

+1. Great comparison pics....frilly should just become an AD at this point (Rolex and Patek and ???)
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