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post #31966 of 48312
Love that GS Hayward.

Frills, stay away from the dark side. Just wait for the Sea Dweller!

Some great talks here lately... and also some great pictures have been shared... to say the least.

Queen Kate looks lovely as ever. Although her recent comments about her subdials really had me shaking my head.
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But, there are also a handful of solid, stalwart DSSD fans who love it because of what it represents - that damn celebration of human exploration and the extreme.  I'm sure the DeepSea Challenge would have its fans and adherents if it was commercially available! 

Just a thought, when the Subs, SDs, and DeepSee Challenge Rolex were being developed these watches were truly about exploration and extremes.  People needed and used them for deep sea diving.  However, lets remember the DSSD was created well after that period, and may at best be in the spirit of that, but its not truly about exploration, but I see it largely as Rolex wanting a piece of the extra large watch market.  Most modern divers depend on dive computers, not their watches.   While I do think Rolex made a very extreme watch with the DSSD,  I've see it on the wrists of very few people celebrating human exploration and extreme.  I see it on the wrists of many who are caught up in the "Bigger watches are better mode" and want the largest watch Rolex makes.  I'm sure if as you suggested the DeepSea Challenge were available to the public, they would sell them to these same guys who need the largest watches in the world.  I've even heard guys who say the DSSD isn't really that big compared to their 46mm (insert any really large watch here). So while you may be appreciating Rolex and their extreme diving history, I think very few owners that I've met bought it for that reason.  Just my 2 cents.  

 

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^^ I've never liked the fluted bezel that much, but on a strap it looks far nicer.  Very classy and understated - yet Rolex and dead crocodile.  That's design success, I feel.

I used to prefer the smooth bezels, when they were flat and angled.  I don't like the newer ones on DDs and DJs where they are rounded.  I also thing that the fluted bezels are great for people who hate scratches as they mask them far better than smooth bezels.  I think it really depends on the watch which bezel is best for it.  I have grown to like each on a variety of watches and I think each of the examples above look great.

 

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Personally I think it's a giant waste of money and it leads to 0 sales, especially if you google round and see some smaller lifestyle/fashion blogs who get flown to France to drive a Bentley round, with their readership it can't be a good deal, but to be honest would you say no? The F1 experience thing they did got 300ish words and small video for what $20k worth of freebie.

Whether or not the freebies skews the review I don't know, but it makes them write about the product, which they might not have in the first place.

I'm not sure that it truly jeopardizes the integrity of the articles.  After all, he gets to drive this car, stay at hotel X, and they may pay for his airfaire or meals, and while I'm sure its fun to experience all of that "On their dime,"  its an experience that another journalist will get next week.  He doesn't get to keep the car, the hotel, or anything else.  I think that it also provides some background for a "Tester's" articles.  If he were in NYC, writing only about his experiences in NYC, and how he spent 3 hours in Manhattan traffic jams, it might work for one article, but after a while it would seem the same. I also think sometimes experiences bring out little anecdotes or analogies that a writer may not necessarily think of if they are experiencing a product in their normal environment (although use in a testers real everyday life can be useful also.  I do agree at the very least the person writes about the product, so the product does get some publicity.

 

I too worry about who pays the cost of these "Freebies."  The next time a watch gets a $1,000 price increase, is it truly due to expenses such as continued R&D, material costs, increases in labor?  Or am I actually footing the bill for freebies to journalists? Don't get me wrong, its not that I think that freebies to journalists is something new, its just maybe in our world where luxuries seem to have gotten more extreme, maybe the cost of these freebies are something to worry about. 

 

Whether the companies see a valuable return on these expenses in sales, is something only they know for sure.  I've been to some nice watch and car events in the past.  I'm not sure any watch event ever influenced me to buy a watch or something like that, however and can say after a day at a track driving various Porsches...the next moring Mrs. Dino was sending me emails about various Porsches at local dealerships.  :decisions:  And I know that this guy won....:devil: 

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Just a thought, when the Subs, SDs, and DeepSee Challenge Rolex were being developed these watches were truly about exploration and extremes.  People needed and used them for deep sea diving.  However, lets remember the DSSD was created well after that period, and may at best be in the spirit of that, but its not truly about exploration, but I see it largely as Rolex wanting a piece of the extra large watch market.  Most modern divers depend on dive computers, not their watches.   While I do think Rolex made a very extreme watch with the DSSD,  I've see it on the wrists of very few people celebrating human exploration and extreme.  I see it on the wrists of many who are caught up in the "Bigger watches are better mode" and want the largest watch Rolex makes.  I'm sure if as you suggested the DeepSea Challenge were available to the public, they would sell them to these same guys who need the largest watches in the world.  I've even heard guys who say the DSSD isn't really that big compared to their 46mm (insert any really large watch here). So while you may be appreciating Rolex and their extreme diving history, I think very few owners that I've met bought it for that reason.  Just my 2 cents.  

 

I'm not sure any watch event ever influenced me to buy a watch or something like that, however and can say after a day at a track driving various Porsches...the next moring Mrs. Dino was sending me emails about various Porsches at local dealerships.  :decisions:  And I know that this guy won....:devil: 

 

Item in bold - yes, absolutely.  Of course one can say that probably about the average Rolex buyer who may not even take the time to read about why the watchmaker came out with a specific model - ANY Rolex model.  Doubt they frequent TWAT or other watch forums (well, maybe except TRF, where they will post threads like "is it safe to bring my Sub near the water?")...

 

I do think this is part of the reason why Rolex as brand turns off some WIS's who would prefer something less ubiquitous and desired by the general populace.

 

Hahah love the story about Mrs Dino and the Porsche local dealerships!!! 

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I'm not sure that it truly jeopardizes the integrity of the articles. After all, he gets to drive this car, stay at hotel X, and they may pay for his airfaire or meals, and while I'm sure its fun to experience all of that "On their dime," its an experience that another journalist will get next week. He doesn't get to keep the car, the hotel, or anything else. I think that it also provides some background for a "Tester's" articles. If he were in NYC, writing only about his experiences in NYC, and how he spent 3 hours in Manhattan traffic jams, it might work for one article, but after a while it would seem the same. I also think sometimes experiences bring out little anecdotes or analogies that a writer may not necessarily think of if they are experiencing a product in their normal environment (although use in a testers real everyday life can be useful also. I do agree at the very least the person writes about the product, so the product does get some publicity.

I too worry about who pays the cost of these "Freebies." The next time a watch gets a $1,000 price increase, is it truly due to expenses such as continued R&D, material costs, increases in labor? Or am I actually footing the bill for freebies to journalists? Don't get me wrong, its not that I think that freebies to journalists is something new, its just maybe in our world where luxuries seem to have gotten more extreme, maybe the cost of these freebies are something to worry about.

Whether the companies see a valuable return on these expenses in sales, is something only they know for sure.  I've been to some nice watch and car events in the past.  I'm not sure any watch event ever influenced me to buy a watch or something like that, however and can say after a day at a track driving various Porsches...the next moring Mrs. Dino was sending me emails about various Porsches at local dealerships.  decisions.gif   And I know that this guy won....devil.gif  

Like I said I think its just a way to get press, you otherwise wouldn't get, but its most likely $ spend > $ earned.

Them driving it around in the US would probably make more sense based on their readership demographic and it would connect with a higher percentage of their readers.

Ford Denmark gave a bunch of pseudo celebs cars to drive for an extended amount of time in return for some blogging on a women's magazines website, I have never seen such horrible lefthand work in my life and it must have been a monumental waste of money

Looking at the PR machines at work, you can be sure some if not all of that price increase are PR related expenses, I don't think everything is journalist expenses though, sponsorship are a big part as well, I can't imagine all of Rolex's sponsorships pay for them self in extra sales.

Porsche etc. driving experience undoubtably works and having the wife wanting a Porsche is never a bad thing, but I doubt it works reading about someone else's experience on paper/the internet, other than maybe wanting to do it yourself.
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@no frills Frilly, you need a shirt like this for leg day for those who skip leg day :lol:

 

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@no frills Frilly, you need a shirt like this for leg day for those who skip leg day :lol:

 


Hahahaha! Word.

And on that note, here's what the DSSD looks like when I strike the Frilly pose.

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^^ I've never liked the fluted bezel that much^^

fluted bezel is awesome.
post #31973 of 48312
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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

Item in bold - yes, absolutely.  Of course one can say that probably about the average Rolex buyer who may not even take the time to read about why the watchmaker came out with a specific model - ANY Rolex model.  

Hahah love the story about Mrs Dino and the Porsche local dealerships!!! 

For me, Subs and SDs are the watches that were developed, evolved, and used by real divers exposing their watches to extreme conditions. The DSSD is IMHO, a product of marketing aimed at the "bigger watch is better" audience, as dive computers are what divers have truly relied on for many years.

Glad you enjoyed the story about Mrs. Dino and the Porsche driving event. It actually took me by surprise that it motivated her to trade the previous model in so quickly!!!

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Like I said I think its just a way to get press, you otherwise wouldn't get, but its most likely $ spend > $ earned.

Them driving it around in the US would probably make more sense based on their readership demographic.

Porsche etc. driving experience undoubtably works and having the wife wanting a Porsche is never a bad thing, but I doubt it works reading about someone else's experience on paper/the internet, other than maybe wanting to do it yourself.

Yes, it would probably be of more use to his target audience/demographic if he had done the driving in the US. Although, even the journalists for dedicated US car magazines frequently test drive the cars in Europe, on roadways and at speeds you can't experience for extended periods in the US. However, I see your point.

I agree, participating in the actual driving experience is different than reading about it. I'm sure my wife would not have been so motivated to trade the previous model in, had she not had so much fun on the track.
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post

I too worry about who pays the cost of these "Freebies."  The next time a watch gets a $1,000 price increase, is it truly due to expenses such as continued R&D, material costs, increases in labor?  Or am I actually footing the bill for freebies to journalists? Don't get me wrong, its not that I think that freebies to journalists is something new, its just maybe in our world where luxuries seem to have gotten more extreme, maybe the cost of these freebies are something to worry about. 

Whether the companies see a valuable return on these expenses in sales, is something only they know for sure.  I've been to some nice watch and car events in the past.  I'm not sure any watch event ever influenced me to buy a watch or something like that, however and can say after a day at a track driving various Porsches...the next moring Mrs. Dino was sending me emails about various Porsches at local dealerships.  decisions.gif   And I know that this guy won....devil.gif  

That is a great question that you pose. I too have wondered what percentage of the price is going into these absurdly extravagant events, celebrity endorsements, etc. And the corollary of that is I really wonder how much of my money actually goes into R&D. I remember reading a little while ago that on the Patek 5227, it took 3 years of R&D to develop the hingeless back. THREE YEARS of R&D? Really?

I definitely think there are brands that spend substantially more on the freebies, advertising, etc. than others. Brands like JLC, Patek, Vacheron--sure, they spend some money on advertising. But nothing compared to TAG, or Breitling, or IWC, or Omega / Rolex. I was at an AD the other day, and jeez, some of the brands with stock ETAs are pushing $6-7k. In that situation, you are footing the bill for something, and it sure as hell is not the watch.

I don't really have a problem with the 'Dink receiving freebies, primarily because they are such a positive website. They only really review watches that they deem to be worth their time (allegedly). Sure, sometimes they write what appears to be a press release. But at least they don't rag on an Omega, and then praise a Tudor (who they are partnered with). They seem pretty darn fair to me, although they do have a very positive website. I would be much more hesitant if they were a more critical website.
post #31975 of 48312
I'm not a fan, Frilly. I suppose you have a built that could pull it off, but the watch is just too thick/top heavy for me.
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I'm kind of annoyed that I haven't gotten invited to a Porsche driving event. I was invited to, and attended, BMW, Audi and Jaguar events this year but no Porsche mad.gif

I was inclined to think "well, maybe they feel that they don't need to convince me to own Porsches because I already have two," but I also have two BMW's and they still invite me to things
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I'm not a fan, Frilly. I suppose you have a built that could pull it off, but the watch is just too thick/top heavy for me.

I mothaf*ng love this mothaf*ng bad a** batshit insanity watch.

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post #31978 of 48312
You keep doing you buddy, haha.
post #31979 of 48312
Frilly, I think it looks great on you. I hate that rubber B though.
post #31980 of 48312
I think Frilly should just strap that thing on, take his Bat-Submarine, and go find the missing Malaysian airliner.



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