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Thank you! It also has a completely different range of engines, but I think the analogy is valid.  I used to have an A4...excellent car.

 

In the mean time, here is a watch.

 

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Hi Mimo & Kid,

 

I'm always prepared for anything...under the wetsuit I'm wearing a tuxedo!  No gents, not a wetsuit, simply a sweatshirt/jacket.  Our car group meets early Sunday mornings and at that hour its a largely jeans, sneakers and sweatshirt kind of group. I also for the picture liked the idea of various shade of blue.

 

Mimo great post!  I truly enjoyed reading it and I think you were really on target with the various points that you made.  As for the Cayman vs 911 argument, its something that many people will bicker over for years.  In Porsche groups we are seeing a good number of former 911 owners move to Cayman models, not due to price but because of the driving experience.  I've driven 911s and Caymans and Boxsters and each are great cars for their market segment.  As for the driving experience, I can best describe it as being at an amusement park as a kid.  You and your friend see a ride that is very cool looking, you guys go on it and think its just great (911).  Then there is some ride you weren't that interested in checking out (Cayman), but your friend convinces you and you walk away liking that ride even more...so you go back to that ride again because it was so much fun!  If you haven't driven the cars its really tough to describe in a meaningful way because each is a sensory experience that is so much more vivid in real life than in text.  If I were buying a 911, the 3 quintessential basic models/ time frames I would look for is the 1970-1973 911s, the 1984-1989 G body 911 3.2 Carreras, and the 1995-1998 993/911 (for the purpose of this discussion lets leave out the Turbos and specialty models).  For me after than the size, proportions, weight changed so drastically that although many later models have a similar tear drop shape, I wish they would just stick with their internal codes, 996, 997, and 991.  The later cars have their advantages (except for the 996, which is generally loathed even by much of the Porsche crowd), but they have compromised to become larger, have a bigger back seat, and a bit more GT cruiser like the old 928.  I find more purity in the Porsches size and shapes of the pre-1998 cars.  I suppose some may even say the Cayman is a bit like a SD 4000.  For those who have lamented the bulkier supercases of the SubC, GMTC, and Deepsea...the SD4000 is a sort of return to a more classic size and profile, while having numerous updates.  

 

I think you also hit a point that I missed.  I was thinking merely of how empty Porsche showrooms were in the winter prior to them having SUVs, but you are right.  They have captured a large market well beyond those of us that must tolerate a few feet of snow throughout the winter season.   I would say that although I think the Panamera is hideous, both it and the Cayenne are highly regarded in how they drive...so while badging means something its also that these cars offer something beyond what competitors from MB and BMW provide.

 

I do see your point, and that of IWC's leader, Mr. Kern.  Perhaps I just see his plan as overly ambitious (nothing wrong with that), but not very realistic.  I think he will have to do a lot more than make mindless movies if he wants to be thought of in the same light as say Rolex, by people that aren't into watches.  That type of brand status association takes many years to cultivate.  Rolex has had decades of ads involving their watches and people of great achievement wearing their watches on adventures to climb Everest, travel to the bottom of the ocean, put at terrible fires (Paul "Red" Adaire), and travel at speeds that break the sound barrier.  However, as you and Kern have made a very convincing argument, the point is not about the actual watches, its simply about getting brand status recognition from those with money to spend, but little knowledge or interest in the products they purchase.  So perhaps he will achieve his goal.  

 

Again great post Mimo, I really enjoyed it!  :cheers:

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In the mean time, here is a watch.

 

I'm a fan of Cartier products but not that one.  Just too much going on and I find the BB line a bit too bulbous and lumpy in overall design.  Just my 2 cents....gotta run!

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Hehe I can't disagree with you - it's fun, but I couldn't see myself wearing one: I was just bored at Heathrow T4, chatting up to the nice sales lady in Harrod's.

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Thank you! It also has a completely different range of engines, but I think the analogy is valid.  I used to have an A4...excellent car.

Yeah, I'm just a nerd, the only difference between the two platforms is essentially the wheelbase, engine size and the 4*4 is a proper Torsen diff and not haldex.


I agree with Dino on the diversification, as it was needed for Porsche to grow, theres only so many people who wants/can buy a 911 and the new 4 doors cater to the people who loves Porsche, but have friends/family and as Porsche owned some of VAG, which is now the other way round it made sense to do some platform sharing, they did the same with Bentley and Lamborghini.
Edited by Find Finn - 5/10/14 at 12:25pm
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Not to take away from all the intelligent and nuanced conversation typical of TWAT - but here are some purchases made by the recent NFL draftees ..... Interesting nonetheless - interesting that Rolex remains 'classy' among this demographic.

 

 

Jadeveon Clowney blinged himself out just hours before the NFL Draft -- dropping some NFL-style cash on incredible jewelry ... including gold necklaces, diamond pieces and a Rolex watch ... TMZ Sports has learned. 

We know ... Clowney hit up Gabriel Jacobs from Rafaello & Co. in New York on Thursday and treated himself to some top quality items including:

-- 24k gold necklace with 10 ounce gold bar surrounded in a frame peppered in diamonds (estimated value: $20k) 
-- Presidential Rolex watch with black face (estimated value: $45k)
-- Gold angel pendant with diamonds (estimated value: unknown but expensive)

Sources connected to Clowney tell us he also bought gifts for family members and people in his camp. We're told Clowney didn't want to be flashy, but rather "classy."

Clowney isn't the only baller who hit up Rafello & Co. that day -- a bunch of other NFL Prospects went jewelry shopping including: 

Greg Robinson (#2 pick) All-black diamond Phantom Rafello Tourbillon watch 
-- estimated cost: $123k 

Khalil Mack (#5 pick)  18k Gold Cartier Santos XL watch
-- estimated cost: $84k 

Mike Evans (#7 pick) Rolex Deep Sea Covered Watch (all VVS-quality diamonds) and custom diamond bracelet
-- estimated cost: $43k 

Brandin Cooks (#20 pick) White gold & diamond Presidential Rolex watch
-- estimated value: $46k

Ha Ha Clinton Dix (#21 pick) All diamond Presidential Rolex  and Cuban Link diamond bracelet with diamnod studs
-- estimated value: $55k 

Johnny Manziel (#22 pick) Rose gold Presidential Rolex
-- estimated value: $30k

Jason Verrett (#25 pick) Solid gold 18k Breitling Bentley watch with diamond studs
-- estimated value: $30k 
 

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^^^ Why oh why do athletes timepieces of choice have to be "blinged out"...
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Where is that Kanye lyric when you need it.


Edit here it is.

I ain't even gonna act holier than thou
Cause fuck it, I went to Jacob with 25 thou
Before I had a house and I'd do it again
Cause I wanna be on 106 and Park pushing a Benz
I wanna act ballerific like it's all terrific
I got a couple past due bills, I won't get specific
I got a problem with spending before I get it
We all self conscious I'm just the first to admit it
Edited by Find Finn - 5/10/14 at 12:22pm
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^^^ Why oh why do athletes timepieces of choice have to be "blinged out"...

Starts with "B" and rhymes with "In Stitches".
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This recent Porsche digression is relevant to my interests...brb
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I mentioned earlier that I've not progressed yet as a watch "enthusiast" beyond "I like to buy the things I find pretty". No surprise, I own an IWC Portuguese laugh.gif

But I enjoy learning and TWAT is a lot less tedious than most of the watch enthusiast site/threads. My car and Porsche enthusiast status, however, are considerably more evolved (somehow I missed that Dino was a Cayman owner)

In the Cayman vs 911 debate, my answer is the quintessential SF response - get both!
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Here's a classic "douche with watch and car" shot. Sorry for the poor angles, we are spring cleaning the garage and I have to crop out the pics of assorted trash, leaf blower, and highly annoyed wife rolling her eyes happy.gif

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Oh my.

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No shit. That is awesome. I thank y'all for the Cayman / 911 discussion. I find it fascinating. I would love to learn more about cars, I am still very new. Never really have driven anything other than a Toyota, and my parents are the same way. It seems like it is a dangerous road to go down though haha.
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No shit. That is awesome. I thank y'all for the Cayman / 911 discussion. I find it fascinating. I would love to learn more about cars, I am still very new. Never really have driven anything other than a Toyota, and my parents are the same way. It seems like it is a dangerous road to go down though haha.

Exactly. I'm just glad I haven't needed to own a car living in downtowns/big cities. I can just imagine if I went down that rabbit hole of appreciating the technical, aesthetic and historical aspects of cars. Oh man...
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