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JBar - At least you can check off the Speedy on your list to own. Smart move trying them on though. At the end of the day it's all about the emotion your watch gives you.

Frills - congrats on the LV. That's an awesome pair and hope you two get to swap it out often! I'd also love to hear your comparison on your Sub vs the new SD. To me, it seems that having both may be redundant, but to the more seasoned collector there may be a lot more than meets my untrained eye!
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How to get the Rolex without the date magnifier?

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How to get the Rolex without the date magnifier?

There aren't many that don't have them. Buy a Seadweller or a Seadweller Deepsea.
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There aren't many that don't have them. Buy a Seadweller or a Seadweller Deepsea.

 

I think Dino or someone else mentioned you can get the AD to swap out the crystal for one without a cyclops if you really want it that way.

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I think Dino or someone else mentioned you can get the AD to swap out the crystal for one without a cyclops if you really want it that way.
I would never trust any AD I've bought from or been to, to swap out a crystal. Personally.
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Speaking of Rolex ADs, I had a very troubling experience yesterday while killing time at the mall with my daughter....

 

While she was trying on swim suits, I wandered into the AD and was looking at some Daytona's.  I had my vintage 1970 5513 on and laid it down while trying on a couple of watches.  The AD looked at my watch and said what an "old watch", and then proceeded to tell me I should send it in for service since Rolex would replace my bezel with a non-faded one, the dial and arms etc.... and make my watch look much better.  I basically ignored his comments, but in looking back.... should have advised him to be careful with that advice.  While my watch is a daily "beater", it is worth MUCH more in its original form than some "franken" version.  Definitely worth as much as his brand new Explorer I's in his displace case....

 

Anyhow, we were just passing through the area and I don't think I would seriously consider purchasing from them.  I would hate to be an uneducated customer....

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The last AD I went to told me that previous models were pretty much obsolete next to the new ones. They are strictly trying to make a buck. That is bad advice though.

Edit: Actually not an official AD so that might be the difference.
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Speaking of Rolex ADs, I had a very troubling experience yesterday while killing time at the mall with my daughter....

While she was trying on swim suits, I wandered into the AD and was looking at some Daytona's.  I had my vintage 1970 5513 on and laid it down while trying on a couple of watches.  The AD looked at my watch and said what an "old watch", and then proceeded to tell me I should send it in for service since Rolex would replace my bezel with a non-faded one, the dial and arms etc.... and make my watch look much better.  I basically ignored his comments, but in looking back.... should have advised him to be careful with that advice.  While my watch is a daily "beater", it is worth MUCH more in its original form than some "franken" version.  Definitely worth as much as his brand new Explorer I's in his displace case....

Anyhow, we were just passing through the area and I don't think I would seriously consider purchasing from them.  I would hate to be an uneducated customer....
Rolex wants all their watches to look brand new. It's better marketing. That's why they would replace all your old parts on your beloved vintage watch. Rolex doesn't care about that stuff like some owners do. 99% of the Rolex buying people would love their 1970 Sub to come back from service looking like the day they bought it. Forum going Rolex owners are a different breed.
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My latest watch and cufflinks.

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Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

Rolex wants all their watches to look brand new. It's better marketing. That's why they would replace all your old parts on your beloved vintage watch. Rolex doesn't care about that stuff like some owners do. 99% of the Rolex buying people would love their 1970 Sub to come back from service looking like the day they bought it. Forum going Rolex owners are a different breed.
Maybe it's different in the US, but I've never had a problem with preserving the original dial/insert/hands/date wheel with Rolex service. dontknow.gif

The local one even advises people to keep their original parts. Which is fortunate because southwestern Norway is likely the world's per-capita champion of original-owner Sea-Dwellers and Submariners from the '70s and '80s.
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I'm genuinely surprised that there would be any appeal to a serious collector; Cartier's idea of a diver's watch looks like a complete mess to me. It's an unmitigated typographical train wreck, and the faux-altimeter-look triple date window — usually confined to badly-drawn pilot's watches, though the infection is spreading — just adds to the theme of ineptitude and confusion.

If they'd done the bezel, subdial, date wheel and depth rating in Roman numerals too, it would have at least made for a pretty sweet parody of the expensive fashion diver's-watch trend. As it stands, it just looks like something that a person who's into modifying Seikos would come up with.

PS: Harr-umph!

Ah, my friend, please don't confuse me for the buyer, I need no convincing.  As said, its not a watch for me.  I did say its nice, as I have friends who lurk on the board that might buy one.  I've already shared my uncensored thoughts about this piece with the few collectors I know that might buy one (most see it as a not too expensive bang around watch, and they don't actually do any diving).  Whether they listen or go their own way I wish them well whatever they choose.  There are plenty of people on this thread that buy watches that wouldn't be by 10th choice, be it from  Omega, Rolex, Cartier, IWC, Patek, AP, VC etc.  

 

I'm not a fan of the original Calibre so I didn't expect the diver to change my opinion.  As I mentioned to Mimo, I'm generally more drawn to Cartier's dress watches than their sports watches.   

 

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There aren't many that don't have them. Buy a Seadweller or a Seadweller Deepsea.

Or go without a date and get an Explorer.

 
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Originally Posted by Cant kill da Rooster View Post

The last AD I went to told me that previous models were pretty much obsolete next to the new ones. They are strictly trying to make a buck. That is bad advice though.

Edit: Actually not an official AD so that might be the difference.

They can't make any money if they don't convince you that you "Need and want" the product the sell.  

 

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Speaking of Rolex ADs, I had a very troubling experience yesterday while killing time at the mall with my daughter....

 

While she was trying on swim suits, I wandered into the AD and was looking at some Daytona's.  I had my vintage 1970 5513 on and laid it down while trying on a couple of watches.  The AD looked at my watch and said what an "old watch", and then proceeded to tell me I should send it in for service since Rolex would replace my bezel with a non-faded one, the dial and arms etc.... and make my watch look much better.  I basically ignored his comments, but in looking back.... should have advised him to be careful with that advice.  While my watch is a daily "beater", it is worth MUCH more in its original form than some "franken" version.  Definitely worth as much as his brand new Explorer I's in his displace case....

 

Anyhow, we were just passing through the area and I don't think I would seriously consider purchasing from them.  I would hate to be an uneducated customer....

Nonsense like that is just the babbling of a sales person who knows only the basics about the products they sell, but who have little or no knowledge of the actual watch market particularly as it pertains to pre-owned and vintage pieces.  I've seen this nonsense more times than I'd like to remember at a variety of stores that sell nice watches.   If you go to really good stores where the sales people love watches and what they do, they know and understand the value of originality with vintage pieces, and would be more likely to appreciate the patina that a well worn watch has, rather than trying to convince you to update your watch in such a way that it would reduce its value. 

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I think Dino or someone else mentioned you can get the AD to swap out the crystal for one without a cyclops if you really want it that way.

Hi JB, that never came from me.  I have never heard of AD's swapping out crystals, I think at least in the US...that would be a big NO NO for ADs.  On other forums, in the past I have heard of people some how removing the cyclops from the crystal which is on a watch, not sure if its with extreme heat and a sharp blade...or something like that. 

 

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Maybe it's different in the US, but I've never had a problem with preserving the original dial/insert/hands/date wheel with Rolex service. dontknow.gif

The local one even advises people to keep their original parts. Which is fortunate because southwestern Norway is likely the world's per-capita champion of original-owner Sea-Dwellers and Submariners from the '70s and '80s.

Its actually completely different here in the US.  If you want a different dial or bezel from Rolex, Rolex takes possession of the old one in exchange for the new.  They do not want spare parts in circulation or being sold on Ebay to create "Franken-watches" that are cobbled together from a bunch of old Rolex dials, bezels, bracelets etc.  Its also one of the reasons most Rolex ADs in the US do not service Rolex watches on their premises anymore. It helps Rolex maintain control of Rolex parts both new and used. 

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Ah, my friend, please don't confuse me for the buyer, I need no convincing.  As said, its not a watch for me.  I did say its nice, as I have friends who lurk on the board that might buy one.  I've already shared my uncensored thoughts about this piece with the few collectors I know that might buy one (most see it as a not too expensive bang around watch, and they don't actually do any diving).  Whether they listen or go their own way I wish them well whatever they choose.  There are plenty of people on this thread that buy watches that wouldn't be by 10th choice, be it from  Omega, Rolex, Cartier, IWC, Patek, AP, VC etc.  

I'm not a fan of the original Calibre so I didn't expect the diver to change my opinion.  As I mentioned to Mimo, I'm generally more drawn to Cartier's dress watches than their sports watches.
Regrets about any confusion. To be clear, at no point was I labouring under the misapprehension that you were even thinking of getting one; you have far better taste in watches than that.
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Its actually completely different here in the US.  If you want a different dial or bezel from Rolex, Rolex takes possession of the old one in exchange for the new.  They do not want spare parts in circulation or being sold on Ebay to create "Franken-watches" that are cobbled together from a bunch of old Rolex dials, bezels, bracelets etc.  Its also one of the reasons most Rolex ADs in the US do not service Rolex watches on their premises anymore. It helps Rolex maintain control of Rolex parts both new and used. 
Yes, that's a pity about the situation across the Atlantic.

I meant that they recommend clients to keep the original parts on the watch during service as long as there aren't any functional issues, although things like getting the original dial back after the Daytona swap and picking up extra bezel inserts without parts exchange hasn't been a problem, either.
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Nonsense like that is just the babbling of a sales person who knows only the basics about the products they sell, but who have little or no knowledge of the actual watch market particularly as it pertains to pre-owned and vintage pieces.  I've seen this nonsense more times than I'd like to remember at a variety of stores that sell nice watches.   If you go to really good stores where the sales people love watches and what they do, they know and understand the value of originality with vintage pieces, and would be more likely to appreciate the patina that a well worn watch has, rather than trying to convince you to update your watch in such a way that it would reduce its value. 

I agree and that is why I really didn't pay attention to the sales person.  It wasn't till a few hours after I left, that I was thinking about it.... and thought I should have said something....

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Regrets about any confusion. To be clear, at no point was I labouring under the misapprehension that you were even thinking of getting one; you have far better taste in watches than that.
 

Thank you my friend.  I just wanted to be sure you didn't think I had lost my mind to the point of actually considering one.  :cheers:

 

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I agree and that is why I really didn't pay attention to the sales person.  It wasn't till a few hours after I left, that I was thinking about it.... and thought I should have said something....

Hey, you knew the difference and were smart enough not to be talked into something foolish, and that's what really matters.  

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