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post #31366 of 48312
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

OK you asked for it.  Well, you didn't, but it's been a while and you made me think of it: here is my certainly-not-gold grubby Rodania quartz emblazoned "The Leader, Saddam Hussein".  It was given to me by the former Governor of Kirkuk, may he rest in peace.  I never met Saddam though!



I don't think it was an honour to be given this - definitely not a rare collectors piece!

Yesterday I bought a second hand citizen for £20 including new battery - but I prefer my GRAFF/Chopard watch
post #31367 of 48312
For those who can get BBC I-player to work at the 30 minute mark on this week's Antiques Roadshow was "Rogue's Gallery" with 3 fake and one real watches.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01f9rjg/Antiques_Roadshow_Series_36_Gregynog/

Can you tell?
post #31368 of 48312
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post
 

OK you asked for it.  Well, you didn't, but it's been a while and you made me think of it: here is my certainly-not-gold grubby Rodania quartz emblazoned "The Leader, Saddam Hussein".  It was given to me by the former Governor of Kirkuk, may he rest in peace.  I never met Saddam though!

 

 

Why would you want to keep or even want to let other people know you have a watch with a likeness of someone on it who is responsible for torturing and killing people?

post #31369 of 48312
History; personal remembrance of the interaction with the Governor; irony; aesthetics of a sort.

This argument has been had many times in relation to such matters as the collection of Nazi memorabilia. Leaving aside the 1% who are loons, to so doesn't mark support for war or genocide. In fact, a number of human rights activists are collectors of such memorabilia. Remembering these episodes in history are important lessons for future identification and avoidance. So we never forget the slippery slope, etc.

But more immediately, there was the comedic juxtaposition with Hirsh's post.

I can only presume your question was also put in jest dddrees.
post #31370 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Stiva View Post

History; personal remembrance of the interaction with the Governor; irony; aesthetics of a sort.

This argument has been had many times in relation to such matters as the collection of Nazi memorabilia. Leaving aside the 1% who are loons, to so doesn't mark support for war or genocide. In fact, a number of human rights activists are collectors of such memorabilia. Remembering these episodes in history are important lessons for future identification and avoidance. So we never forget the slippery slope, etc.

But more immediately, there was the comedic juxtaposition with Hirsh's post.

I can only presume your question was also put in jest dddrees.


Actually this wasn't in jest, however I did have second thoughts after I posted this question in a public forum because I didn't want the conversation to get ugly and I did have second thoughts that it might be better to PM Mimo directly instead. But I was completely serious and I was curious why someone would want to have something like this in the first place.

 

By the way I watch a number of documentaries and such about history, wars, and the like so I think it's extremely important to remember these lessons. So I'm not proposing censorship, but personally I couldn't think of any reason to own anything of that nature. I know I could see me owning a book which might have a picture of Stalin, Hitler, or Sadam on the cover which talked about those times and what they had done, but the thought of owning other things with their picture just seems odd and even possibly wrong to me in some way. I think it's almost like wearing a T-Shirt with any of those likeness and no wording or anything else on it. I think most people would find that to be in extremely bad taste at the very least.


Edited by dddrees - 4/28/14 at 6:49am
post #31371 of 48312
Perhaps someone in a country far away might have the same opinion about a memento with George W Bush's face on it. I really do not want to get into hot water but these are interesting items which I would not want but would not criticise others for owning.
post #31372 of 48312
I think it's funny everytime I see it. Probably not the watch to wear if you are looking to make a good impression though
post #31373 of 48312
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I'm so happy for you and your family, stitch! Congratulations! fistbump.gif

Two pictures from me today. Saturday I wore my AP while enjoying the warm weather, today my Sunday watch was a vintage Omega Seamaster De Ville satisfied.gif
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thanks, NS!

gorgeous wrist shots there.
post #31374 of 48312
Gentlemen, I hope you can help me with a bit of advice.

A year ago I bought my first quality watch, this very nice 3717 that I had saved up to for one and a half year. I bought it second hand with box, papers etc. from a collector (I suspect), since the watch is from 2008 (as far as I remember) and came in very close to mint condition. Here's from the day I received it:



When I first got it it gained app. two seconds each day, which is quite common I reckon. I went on holiday for a month and left my watch at home, and when I started using it again it was now losing app. two seconds each day. It's a bit more annoying than being ahead, but I have lived with it until now when it has gotten even slower; these days I find it loosing seven seconds a day. It has always made a lot of "noise" doing the rewind-kind-of-sounds every time I shake my hand abruptly, which I find quite charming, but I don't know if it's supposed to happen that often – since this is my first mechanical watch – or if it's a sign somethings not as it should be.

I should probably bring it in for service asap, but since it's quite expensive (at least for a guy who hasn't finished his university degree yet) I'll probably have to wait till summer, so I can turn it in while on holiday. I also suspect that it has never received any kind of service, since its previous owner has apparently used it scarcely.

I would appreciate to receive your thoughts on this; is the time loosing a sign of something serious being "wrong" inside watch and would I risk damaging it if I keep using it without handing it in?

Thank you so much in advance
post #31375 of 48312
My guess is that it is magnetized. Any decent workshop should be able to fix that for you.
post #31376 of 48312
For accuracy, look here: http://www.chronocentric.com/watches/accuracy.shtml

Rotor noise is just that. It's fairly common with some designs and isn't a sign of trouble.

Do you take your watch off a night? How do you store it? A movement can gain or lose time depending on what position it sits when off the wrist.

I have a mid 70s Rolex 1680 that was last serviced maybe seven years ago. When I wear it continuously it loses around 3 seconds a day. When I take it off and lay it on its back it gains 7-8 seconds a day.
post #31377 of 48312
That's very informative, thank you so much! I usually donut take my watch off at night, but I have considered start doing it, which would also be a good opportunity to experiment a bit with the position I leave it in. I will read through the link you posted, seems very informative. Thanks again!
post #31378 of 48312
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Originally Posted by S K M View Post



Gentlemen, I hope you can help me with a bit of advice.



A year ago I bought my first quality watch, this very nice 3717 that I had saved up to for one and a half year. I bought it second hand with box, papers etc. from a collector (I suspect), since the watch is from 2008 (as far as I remember) and came in very close to mint condition. I would appreciate to receive your thoughts on this; is the time loosing a sign of something serious being "wrong" inside watch and would I risk damaging it if I keep using it without handing it in?



 



As long as you didn't bang it against anything and then notice that its losing time, its unlikely anything serious is wrong. If you dropped it or hit it against something hard, there is the possibility something could have gotten damaged.  It most likely, just needs an overhaul (they disassemble, clean, lubricate, and reassemble the movement).  Its been a while since I've handled one of these watches, but from what I recall IWCs using some variation of a Valjoux 7750 as a base movement are pretty loud in terms of winding sound and its rotor feels a bit more clunky and heavy compared to say a Rolex or Cartier. 


 



As for whether wearing it will harm it, again only you and the previous owner know what it has endured in the last 6 years or so. Many manufacturers recommend service every 5 years or so, (less water resistant pieces I've seen them say 3 years).  So according to average standards your watch is due for a service.  I've seen Rolex watches go 10-15 years without service and not suffer any ill effects from regular wear with delayed service.  However, how often a watch may need service can depend on what you subject it to and whether its a daily wearer.  If you are truly concerned about something you may have done in the past damaging it, then don't wear it for now and wait until you get it back from service.  Good luck with whatever you decide. 

post #31379 of 48312
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As long as you didn't bang it against anything and then notice that its losing time, its unlikely anything serious is wrong. If you dropped it or hit it against something hard, there is the possibility something could have gotten damaged.  It most likely, just needs an overhaul (they disassemble, clean, lubricate, and reassemble the movement).  Its been a while since I've handled one of these watches, but from what I recall IWCs using some variation of a Valjoux 7750 as a base movement are pretty loud in terms of winding sound and its rotor feels a bit more clunky and heavy compared to say a Rolex or Cartier.

 
 

As for whether wearing it will harm it, again only you and the previous owner know what it has endured in the last 6 years or so. Many manufacturers recommend service every 5 years or so, (less water resistant pieces I've seen them say 3 years).  So according to average standards your watch is due for a service.  I've seen Rolex watches go 10-15 years without service and not suffer any ill effects from regular wear with delayed service.  However, how often a watch may need service can depend on what you subject it to and whether its a daily wearer.  If you are truly concerned about something you may have done in the past damaging it, then don't wear it for now and wait until you get it back from service.  Good luck with whatever you decide.

Couldn't have said it better.

post #31380 of 48312
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Originally Posted by Beckwith View Post

My guess is that it is magnetized. Any decent workshop should be able to fix that for you.

I think the timing issue on his watch would be way off if it were magnetized (and not merely a few seconds off a day).   My wife used to work near an MRI department in a hospital and her watch went completely crazy when it got magnetized.  IIRC, it had jumped in time by more than an hour.   In addition, I thought many of the IWC pilot watches have an iron core to shield if from magnetic fields.  

 

Still, its a good practice not to rest a watch on top of speakers, or alarm clocks with radios etc., in case one switches to a watch without antimagnetic qualities or shields.   

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