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And I can get why you're obsessing over that VC. Do you find yourself wearing dressier stuff these days and hankering for a watch of that aesthetic?

Not really. I work in a casual techy environment, and even as a consultant they expect to get a creative/geeky looking guy, even tucking my shirt is over the top laugh.gif But I do find my smaller and thinner watches extremely work -and everyday-friendly, more and more. The MUT Moon gets a lot of use in the summer, just as perfect with jeans/chinos as a with a suit. My watches (and their owner) tend to thicken out a bit in the dark months (which to be fair, are 9 out of 12 in my northern corner of the world). Larger chronos and tool-watches are perfect with sweaters. In summer, rolling up my sleeves, I enjoy my smaller watches, 38-39mm is perfect.

So basically it's just a matter of lust. This too lol8[1].gif
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Both fantastic watches (as I think we've discussed elsewhere in TWAT?). The rose gold has a kind of old world chic to it; the grey dial is very distinct and handsome (given that many other dress watches tend to have silvered/white dials or black ones). I can see the lure of trading in one of your existing watches to fund this purchase. What else do you have in your collection and how does this stack relative to your other watches? For example, if you have another dress chronograph or moon phase watch, it doesn't seem unreasonable to turn one of these over for a really top drawer 3 hander like this.

Hm, I better go back and find that discussion!

I have a PP 5712 with a moon phase, and it is certainly versatile. I also have a SS Daytona, a "dressyish" chrono at least. I think perhaps I bought the JLC Master Chrono in a fit of "I can't find the rose gold chrono I want the most". Which I now have, in the AP ROC. (Famous last words of course.)

The thing is that I'm not really looking for the perfect dress 3 handed dress watch. I have a Pie-Pan Constellation and an heirloom Certina that sees most of the serious suit action. I like the understatedness and class of the VC, not necessarily for its intended use.
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Not really. I work in a casual techy environment, and even as a consultant they expect to get a creative/geeky looking guy, even tucking my shirt is over the top laugh.gif But I do find my smaller and thinner watches extremely work -and everyday-friendly, more and more. The MUT Moon gets a lot of use in the summer, just as perfect with jeans/chinos as a with a suit. My watches (and their owner) tend to thicken out a bit in the dark months (which to be fair, are 9 out of 12 in my northern corner of the world). Larger chronos and tool-watches are perfect with sweaters. In summer, rolling up my sleeves, I enjoy my smaller watches, 38-39mm is perfect.

So basically it's just a matter of lust. This too lol8[1].gif
Hm, I better go back and find that discussion!

I have a PP 5712 with a moon phase, and it is certainly versatile. I also have a SS Daytona, a "dressyish" chrono at least. I think perhaps I bought the JLC Master Chrono in a fit of "I can't find the rose gold chrono I want the most". Which I now have, in the AP ROC. (Famous last words of course.)

The thing is that I'm not really looking for the perfect dress 3 handed dress watch. I have a Pie-Pan Constellation and an heirloom Certina that sees most of the serious suit action. I like the understatedness and class of the VC, not necessarily for its intended use.

To be honest, it wasn't very in-depth. Mostly others indicating how much the liked the VC you posted, and me being a tad contrary and saying how much I liked the parallel Langes (e.g. Saxonia, 1815). tongue.gif But let's not re-hash that here because (despite what I may have said earlier) the VC is a beautiful watch and is still on my wish list.

I'm a similar situation to you; in a world full of big watches, complicated watches and big+complicated watches (not that I don't like 'em!) I've come to appreciate the simple and understated beauty of the (top tier) 2 or 3 hand dress watch. I don't wear a suit and tie often enough to justify one for more formal use; more that I like them as design objects in and of themselves.
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Just ignore the troll, guys. Is there anything he's said that's even worth addressing?
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Speaking of ubiquitous diver's watches, this is what I wore most of the weekend:



The name is Monster. Orange Monster.

Love it Keith! I have felt the call of my Monster lately as well...

As for the discussion between Nonserviam and Academe:

I love the VC Small Seconds Traditionelle. Lately I have steered away from the Nautilus / RO as my next watch (sorry Dino and Frills smile.gif), and have leaned more and more towards a three-hand dress watch, no date. Maybe it was that article on Hodinkee. Or maybe it was that I am not sure that I want my first "high end" dress watch to be a Genta (which many uninitiated do not understand). If I am going to fork over that much dinero, I think that I want it to be something timeless, reserved, and appropriate for all occasions.

Which led me to the VC. I have always held VC in very high regards, I think their watches are quirky and beautiful. And the movement in the VC is beyond reproach. However, I am not entirely sure how I felt about it on the wrist. It is beautiful, yes, but I am not sure I was completely in love with it. I think that my first impressions may be premature (and in fairness, I saw it wrapped in plastic), but I did not $20,000 love it.

Then I strapped on the FP Journe (Chrono Bleu), and was completely smitten. But who knows whether that will be a fading love? And, as Dino mentioned a while back, the reliability issues are frightening, especially with a brand that is so young. There are many decisions to work through. Fortunately, I have a good deal of time before I will be making any rash decisions!

In general, I have found that I have trended more and more towards smaller and thinner watches. Thin watches are incredibly comfortable, then have a very flattering profile on the wrist, and they are a mechanical marvel. 37-40mm, and under 11mm is just about my sweet spot.
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Love it Keith! I have felt the call of my Monster lately as well...

As for the discussion between Nonserviam and Academe:

I love the VC Small Seconds Traditionelle. Lately I have steered away from the Nautilus / RO as my next watch (sorry Dino and Frills smile.gif), and have leaned more and more towards a three-hand dress watch, no date. Maybe it was that article on Hodinkee. Or maybe it was that I am not sure that I want my first "high end" dress watch to be a Genta (which many uninitiated do not understand). If I am going to fork over that much dinero, I think that I want it to be something timeless, reserved, and appropriate for all occasions.

Which led me to the VC. I have always held VC in very high regards, I think their watches are quirky and beautiful. And the movement in the VC is beyond reproach. However, I am not entirely sure how I felt about it on the wrist. It is beautiful, yes, but I am not sure I was completely in love with it. I think that my first impressions may be premature (and in fairness, I saw it wrapped in plastic), but I did not $20,000 love it.

Then I strapped on the FP Journe (Chrono Bleu), and was completely smitten. But who knows whether that will be a fading love? And, as Dino mentioned a while back, the reliability issues are frightening, especially with a brand that is so young. There are many decisions to work through. Fortunately, I have a good deal of time before I will be making any rash decisions!

In general, I have found that I have trended more and more towards smaller and thinner watches. Thin watches are incredibly comfortable, then have a very flattering profile on the wrist, and they are a mechanical marvel. 37-40mm, and under 11mm is just about my sweet spot.

Just a quick note before I jet home; while not in the same league as AP, VC, AL&S, FP Journe or PP, I think the JLC ultra-thins are also beautiful watches. I wonder - if you're not ready to commit $20K to a VC or FP Journe - it might be possible to pick-up a JLC to see how you take to an ultra-thin 2 or 3 hander? I like them enough that I would consider buying one even if I had a Lange, AP or VC in the stable...
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Just a quick note before I jet home; while not in the same league as AP, VC, AL&S, FP Journe or PP, I think the JLC ultra-thins are also beautiful watches. I wonder - if you're not ready to commit $20K to a VC or FP Journe - it might be possible to pick-up a JLC to see how you take to an ultra-thin 2 or 3 hander? I like them enough that I would consider buying one even if I had a Lange, AP or VC in the stable...

I was going to post a pic, but photobucket does not seem to be cooperating smile.gif.

I have a MUT Moon in the stable at this point, so I am covered with the JLCs!
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I was going to post a pic, but photobucket does not seem to be cooperating smile.gif.

I have a MUT Moon in the stable at this point, so I am covered with the JLCs!

You know I think I knew that. Was just having a momentary brain lapse. In any case, the MUT Moon and Grande MUT would be the two on my list. smile.gif
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No convincing Nuke to not save for a big purchase since I need his support while I do the same.
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You know I think I knew that. Was just having a momentary brain lapse. In any case, the MUT Moon and Grande MUT would be the two on my list. smile.gif

Ha! Great minds think alike! Yes, I am very content with my MUT Moon and my Speedmaster combination right now. I am just struggling to figure out the next choice. The last two were actually fairly easy choices.
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Thomas Ninchritz Cathedral. I love the watch; my only complaint is that the case is a little wide for me.

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I don't think I was necessarily thinking of buying a black-dialled two-hander; it was more that I hadn't really thought about them too much until I read the Bolshoi article, then started to do a bit of research. I suppose with simple and elegant two/three handers (like the ones I've been discussing), I do find that the small details can come to matter quite a lot. Dual colour is a fairly major design feature, and I hadn't been thinking of black dialled watches (and hence was curious about others' thoughts)... They are certainly not a substitute for a white dialled watch, and I fully agree that one might need a white dialled dress watch in the stable if you had a black dialled one... However, I think what struck me about some examples is the extent to which the black dial could actually add depth to a the dial of a minimalist watch, rather than taking away from it. It strikes me that the applied indices on the AP and VC examples I posted seem to "pop" a bit more. The same is true for something like the Reverso 1931:



 

 

:inlove:I certainly agree the black dial Reverso 1931 is stunning.  Its one of my favorite variations of the Reverso.

 

 I think as with most watches, whether to go with a dark dial versus a white or silver dial, truly depends on the watch.  While rose can pop when paired with a black dial, some just don't do much for me.  Sometimes I find the black dials on them too sporty and just don't work as well.  In addition, if discussing pink gold/rose gold, it depends on the color used.  If a watch case is 4N pink gold its going to be almost tough to tell that its pink, unless its put next to a yellow gold watch, because its just a hint of pink.  While something that is 5N is much rosier, and hell 6N is almost a deep orange color...not my taste.  I think a black dial dress watch can be really nice, but it depends on a variety of factors as to whether I'd choose white/silver or black.

 

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Thanks, brothers.  I am of course familiar with all the clichés.  "Everyone has one." "So ubiquitous." "Amateur hour, the first choice of anyone who doesn't know anything about watches." "Not safe to wear a Rolex in NYC subways." "New model has chunky lugs."  But this is my F it, I like it, I'm getting it watch. 

I'm a bit late to the party but it looks great!  Enjoy it your new Sub!!!

 

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Rolex Sub.  nice watch but the only problem is that every schmo and their brother has one.

If someone else has taste that is as good as mine, I can't fault them for it.  ;)

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There is a reason for that.

There is a reason a Ford mustang has a cult following, and many people will get them.

Rolex Sub is a great tool watch, looks great, and bang for the buck, it has good value.

 

FWIW Frilly also has more than one watch that most people (99.999%) will never hold... let alone own. 

+1,000

 

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Myself, apart from honeymooning the AP ROC, I've been obsessing over the Vacheron Constantin Patrimony Traditionnelle Small Seconds lately. Yes, I read Hodinkee, and yes, I am easily influenced.

Super hot in rose gold, and stealthily cool in platinum. I have been wondering if one of these could take the place of my JLC MC chrono (and maybe MUT Moon) decisions.gif Which is crazy, because I love both of them ...

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I really like the VC Patrimony Traditionelle small seconds.  Its clean, modern, elegant, but its not bland.  I find the regular Patrimonys a bit bland for my taste. I also love the two tone dial, applied hour markers and the way the different sides of the faceted hands have what appears to be a different finish for greater contrast.  

 

I really like your JLC MC chrono, so it would be a tough choice for me.  However, the JLC MUT, its nice, but I might trade that one toward the VC.  You would still have your MC Chrono to cover your enjoyment and appreciation for JLC watches. 

 

I think I prefer the warmth of the rose, but if you don't have anything in PT, well there is something very cool, about its heft, and feel.  Keep us posted.

:lurk:

 

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i don't want to be wearing the same watch as every waiter, bartender, plumber, landscaper, and the average out of shape middle aged Budweiser drinker who wears Dockers and Nike Golf shirts and drives a Corvette.

Or doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.  There is a reason lots of people have one, because its just a damn good sports watch.   Its easy to make something that is different.  What is difficult it to make something that is better.  There are lots of good dive watches out there, but I'm not sure I've seen any that I think are functionally or aesthetically better.  Oh, and I've seen plenty of them on the wrists of people who own Ferraris, Porsches, Maseratis, MBs and BMWs.  

 
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As for the discussion between Nonserviam and Academe:

I love the VC Small Seconds Traditionelle. Lately I have steered away from the Nautilus / RO as my next watch (sorry Dino and Frills smile.gif), and have leaned more and more towards a three-hand dress watch, no date. Maybe it was that article on Hodinkee. Or maybe it was that I am not sure that I want my first "high end" dress watch to be a Genta (which many uninitiated do not understand). If I am going to fork over that much dinero, I think that I want it to be something timeless, reserved, and appropriate for all occasions.

Which led me to the VC. I have always held VC in very high regards, I think their watches are quirky and beautiful. And the movement in the VC is beyond reproach. However, I am not entirely sure how I felt about it on the wrist. It is beautiful, yes, ..., but I did not $20,000 love it.
 

Nuke,  no reason to apologize for steering aways from Genta designs for now.  I love my RO, and its very versatile.  However, before buying that piece, I wanted a true dress watch.  I knew that shopping for that a luxury sports watch was not going to quench my desire for a simple 2 or 3 hand dress watch.

 

I also admire VC for their quirky designs.  At the time they were offering pieces that seemed a bit more wearable to a young collector than what was available at the time from PP and AP.  However, if you don't love their present offerings, then perhaps you need to consider one of their vintage pieces, wait and see what they release in the next few years (If you have a greater level of patience than most of us), or focus on other brands.  There are lots of good watches from the top brands, and often there are many models that each offers that don't interest me.  I can appreciate the quality and workmanship, but if I don't love something, chances are its just not the right watch for me regardless of price.  Wishing you luck on your journey for a dress watch.  

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design objects in and of themselves.

Seems to summarize my entire approach to this whole watch addiction thing biggrin.gif
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Which led me to the VC. I have always held VC in very high regards, I think their watches are quirky and beautiful. And the movement in the VC is beyond reproach. However, I am not entirely sure how I felt about it on the wrist. It is beautiful, yes, but I am not sure I was completely in love with it. I think that my first impressions may be premature (and in fairness, I saw it wrapped in plastic), but I did not $20,000 love it.

Then I strapped on the FP Journe (Chrono Bleu), and was completely smitten. But who knows whether that will be a fading love? And, as Dino mentioned a while back, the reliability issues are frightening, especially with a brand that is so young. There are many decisions to work through. Fortunately, I have a good deal of time before I will be making any rash decisions!

In general, I have found that I have trended more and more towards smaller and thinner watches. Thin watches are incredibly comfortable, then have a very flattering profile on the wrist, and they are a mechanical marvel. 37-40mm, and under 11mm is just about my sweet spot.

Yeah, not sure if I $20,000 love it either. Have only tried it on briefly, but I'm trying to rectify that. Not sure when or if I'll ever have the chance to try on the platinum version without ordering it, not something my AD has in store I imagine. Of course, at the pricepoint of the platinum, the competition is even fiercer.

I'm with you, thin watches 37-40mm is a sweet spot for so many occasions. Anything but a true sports watch, but even then I prefer a 40mm with a low profile, like the non-ceramic Subs and GMTs (and Explorers)).
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Just a quick note before I jet home; while not in the same league as AP, VC, AL&S, FP Journe or PP, I think the JLC ultra-thins are also beautiful watches. I wonder - if you're not ready to commit $20K to a VC or FP Journe - it might be possible to pick-up a JLC to see how you take to an ultra-thin 2 or 3 hander? I like them enough that I would consider buying one even if I had a Lange, AP or VC in the stable...

The issue of Newcomers MUT Moon has been settled, but pics are still missing. A wonderful watch, suitable for any setting. Here mine with shorts, from last summer. A watch that looks at home both in church, at work and at play is really something.

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It's all about the moon phase display! It lightens the whole attitude of the watch smile.gif

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The moon looks best at night smile.gif.

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I love my OM but find the quartz scratches way too easily :/

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Lots of discussion in here.  I am slowly catching up but have realized that TWAT is moving quicker these days than a few months back so there is always some new discussion to take part in.  I saw quite a few watch shops while in Spain but the Easter Holiday is important in Spain and all of those watch shops seemed closed for the week so I couldn't kick the tires and finally see a PP in the flesh as well as some others.

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