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In my search for understanding of the popularity of Rolex I came across this gem of an article from two years ago in Forbes. I think I get it now.

 

The Rolex Problem: A (Semi) Rational Look At The World's Most Recognized Watch

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Not to beat the dead Costco horse, although I am sure they sell those there as well, but they had 3 Panerai's, non less that $15K, IWC Big Pilot at $12K. I guess if you are not getting any deals at AD level, you could get the 5% rebate, that is a decent discount.

Wow, $12k for a Big Pilot? Is it the new 5009 model? Those retail for $15,400, so that's a pretty substantial discount. I hadn't seen anything that competitive at our local Costco.
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One AD confirmed the existence of an upcoming Basel release from Patek - an all steel sporty watch that isn't from the Nautilus or Aquanaut families. It looks like this:
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Yes, this is the 5960 annual calendar chronograph - self-winding, all steel, on a bracelet. The previous 5960s have been discontinued.

Comments, TWAT brethren? Go.

Personally, for the look and purpose of an all steel sporty watch I prefer the one I have:
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I think the devil will be in the details. So hard to tell from a 2 dimensional artist's rendition.
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Hahahha !  Well it wouldn't be the first time they have blundered...the Neptune, the Sculpture, the Cabriolet, and their first version of a Nautilus on a strap in the 1990s.  

Details man...or at least a hint lurker%5B1%5D.gif
When dealing with a 2 or 3 handed time only watch, the movement and its finish is very important to me.  When you are choosing something simple and elegant, often its the subtle details, and design elements that really distinguish a watch from its competitors (be it from other brands or within a brand).  For me that applies to the movement as much as the dial, and case.  I've yet to see the new AL&S Saxonia automatic in person.  However, at least in the photo you posted I think I prefer rotor to that of their micro rotor which I find a bit heavy handed in appearance (I know weight is important but I've never been in love with AL&S's micro rotors). As for the AP cal 3120 and VC 2455, but are beautiful....but if you don't already have a watch with AP cal 2120 or VC cal 1120 they are both iconic and something I would want in at least 1 watch I own.  Although, sadly...there is a rather high premium on any watch carrying those movements.  For me whether a movement is made completely in house is not such an issue for me as long as it is from a very respected movement maker, THA, Lemania, Piaget etc., and top quality in terms of any revisions and finish.  Wishing you luck on your journey for a beautiful 2 or 3 hander.        

Agreed regarding fine finishing on simple 2 or 3 hand watches the details become so much more important then. I had considered a gold JLC ultra thin, but am more taken by the degree of movement finishing on the AL&S, VC, etc. to the degree that I pretty much discounted the JLCs after seeing them in person. I want my 2 or 3 hander to be just as beautifully finished on the inside as out! I'm with you on AL&S Saxonia Auto versus the Sax-O-Matic. Many Lange aficionados prefer the Sax-O-Mat because it shows off more of the movement, however, I do feel that the rotor design on the new Saxonia Automatic does look somehow more elegant to my eyes, even if it conceals some of the 3/4 plate. This is probably blasphemous, but I never claimed to be AL&S loyalist (athough this may change in time...).
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Eh. Put it on leather, with the old style hands and a matte grey dial or dark sunburst dial and we can talk. As it is it's trying too hard.

for you perhaps, but there are more fish in the high end watch ocean than just us. no brand is looking to pacify the desires of only one market segment, certainly not a very small, particular, and often nit picky segment.
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Sold off two cherished vintage pieces this weekend. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Heuer Autavia and nipple dialled Rolex 18k GMT-Master. Sad to see them go, but they were examples of my of redundancy habit shog[1].gif I have two more Autavias and another nipple dialled 18k Rolex still. And they were not sold to finance a "mud bike", but another watch, of course. More info on that later biggrin.gif

Bye bye!

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wow. im shocked you sold that nipple dial, well not so much since you do have 2, but that was one of my fave watches all time. ill miss seeing you wear it here, but sometimes watches need new homes.
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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post
 

In my search for understanding of the popularity of Rolex I came across this gem of an article from two years ago in Forbes. I think I get it now.

 

The Rolex Problem: A (Semi) Rational Look At The World's Most Recognized Watch

 

Funny and true. 

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This today:

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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post
 

In my search for understanding of the popularity of Rolex I came across this gem of an article from two years ago in Forbes. I think I get it now.

 

The Rolex Problem: A (Semi) Rational Look At The World's Most Recognized Watch

 

Interesting. I have a friend, who is a lawyer, he loves Omega but hates Rolex. And he claims that in his line of work, most Rolex users are scammers. :eek:

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Funny and true. 

 

 

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Interesting. I have a friend, who is a lawyer, he loves Omega but hates Rolex. And he claims that in his line of work, most Rolex users are scammers. :eek:

 

I imagine the Omega V. Rolex debate is one that has waged on for decades. I have no-doubt enjoyed that at recent gatherings, acquaintances' eyes have more frequently been finding their way to my wrist with a look both curiously impressed and devoid of immediate recognition-slash-sizing-up. Compare to that curiously under-dressed young gentleman wearing Nikes and North Face with his sleeves rolled up to display his diamond bezel Datejust. "Oh he works at FIDELITY" you'd hear people say around the corner from the punch bowl. I obviously can't comment on the reliability at this stage. Perhaps an oyster would prove more reliable than my Omega in the long run. But I can do without all the attention. I guess that puts me at Stage 2.


Edited by BostonHedonist - 3/24/14 at 10:19am
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Well, one can always have their cake and eat it too in this debate by going vintage. 

 

I'm actually flipping one of my two rollies to finance a Grand Seiko purchase. I actually surprised myself with this decision as I always figured the Speedy would go first. But I actually wear the Speedy much more often than my Datejust. Even worse, I'm now finding one of the reasons I wear the DJ less often is that it feels too small. 

 

The Sub of course will stay. 

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This today: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


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Love the champagne color that the dial picked up in this picture.  I know it is probably lighting but just looks great!

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I imagine the Omega V. Rolex debate is one that has waged on for decades. I have no-doubt enjoyed that at recent gatherings, acquaintances' eyes have more frequently been finding their way to my wrist with a look both curiously impressed and devoid of immediate recognition-slash-sizing-up. Compare to that curiously under-dressed young gentleman wearing Nikes and North Face with his sleeves rolled up to display his diamond bezel Datejust. "Oh he works at FIDELITY" you'd hear people say around the corner from the punch bowl. I obviously can't comment on the reliability at this stage. Perhaps an oyster would prove more reliable than my Omega in the long run. But I can do without all the attention. I guess that puts me at Stage 2.

The article was entertaining, but it seems a bit similar to one James Dowling wrote about stage of watch ownership. He described buying a Rolex thinking its great and enjoying it, wanting to learn more about watches.  Seeing and learning about watches from top tier brands and realizing there are finer watches in the market place.  Buying either a Nautilus or RO and putting the Rolex in a drawer.  Maybe 2 years later opening the drawer to get something out of it, rediscovering your Rolex and eventually coming back to Rolex and appreciating them for what they are, and maybe buying a few vintage models. 

 

I find your last sentence, the part underlined, to be at odds with your second sentence.  You say, "But I can do without all the attention" but earlier you discuss enjoying what you perceive to be attention regarding your choice of wrist watch, and having these people be "Curiously impressed." 

 

The Rolex v. Omega debate is probably older than any of us here.  One of my oldest friends was a big Omega fan (owns numerous Seamasters and Speedy Pros) and an strong anti-Rolex guy.  He was always saying Rolex are too common, they attract too much attention, people that wear them are showy.  He said this all during his late 20s and through most of his 30s. About 5 years ago when he was 37 he eventually strayed from Omega and bought a white dial Rolex Explorer 2.  He is finance guy on Wall Street, and was nervous about wearing it to work, about it being too showy, attracting too much attention, and how he would be perceived.  In the end no one cared.  No one said anything (he discovered most non-watch people really don't care about watches).  He eventually revealed his biggest regret about the Rolex was not buying it sooner when it would have cost him less $$$. 

 

I've owned an Omega Seamaster, several Rolexes, and other brands.  They all make nice watches.  If you are basing your impressions about Rolex watches and their owners on some under dressed guy you met, well that's probably not fair to other owners.  Jerks wearing a particular brand of watch might not make us more likely to buy a particular brand....but it shouldn't be used to judge a brand or those individuals that wear a particular brand.  IMHO most impressions of people based on watches should be taken with a grain of salt.  

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I make no claim to be completely free of vanity.

 

My philosophy on personal aesthetics, which we won't get too hung up on here, prioritizes my own enjoyment of an item above that of those around me, but not to the point of excluding external appreciation. Secondly, I find no small pleasure in being able to drive external appreciation without brand recognition.

 

Perhaps that will clarify my remarks.

 

And yes, I've seen more people than that one gentleman (who actually turned out to be the most entertaining conversation at the party) wearing Rolexes, quite a broad spectrum really. Perhaps a bit too broad....

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Not a Basel release but what about... A Travel Time Aquanaut on a bracelet?

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Other angle:

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Thierry Stern wears the Travel Time Aquanaut on a strap:

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do not like aquanaut on bracelet.

rolexes are awesome watches. pound for pound, maybe the best out there, and ime, the longer you own one the more you love it. you just cant argue with a rolex. and like most clothing and accessories, judging an inanimate object based on its wearer is beyond my comprehension.
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