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Great work mate, looks very classy indeed!

Thank you kindly, mate smile.gif
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It may depend on one's line of work.  If you have to keep track of billable hours, it could come in handy.  That's what I have used mine for in the past.  However, some of my friends create the need to use it, say time how long a frozen pizza is in the toaster oven, or time how long they have been sitting in traffic, or maybe the most useful thing is timing how long you have until a parking meter runs out.  However, in general, most of my friends that have chronographs never use them.  
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Thanks Dino - in some odd way, that's actually reassuring to hear.
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Thanks Dino - in some odd way, that's actually reassuring to hear.
I used to use my Speedy chrono as a date function. I'd run the chrono for one minute every day and it would advance the 30min counter (3 o'clock subdial) by one. So whatever number the 30min. totalizer was on would be the date. It only gets tricky on months with 31 days. haha
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Thanks Dino - in some odd way, that's actually reassuring to hear.


I've been using mine to track how much time I spend waiting for my wife. Scary when you put a number to it.

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I was just at Costco and they had a Panerai for $8700. Couldn't tell the model unfortunately. They also had an IWC for $5000.

I actually really liked it but not super familiar with IWC's

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I've been using mine to track how much time I spend waiting for my wife. Scary when you put a number to it.
I couldn't do that. Not enough power reserve.
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Hi Mimo, 

 

Its always nice having a watch shop near work, although that can be dangerous too ;).  As you know I am a fan of VC offerings, however, I am not a fan of the current Overseas lines at all.  Sadly, IMHO, VC's best efforts at a sports watch was their original attempt at a competitor to the Royal Oak and Nautilus, known as the 222.  It was not a Genta design (IIRC it was George Hyseck), and much like other designs of the 1970s it had a case with integrated bracelet, a bezel that was distinctive (and part of the sandwich effect for waterproofing much like that of a RO or Nautilus) and the case is somewhat like that of a RO, IWC Jumbo SL, and Rolex Oysterquartz ref 17000. Again much like its 1970s competitors it is quite sought after today.  It also shared the same base movement that was used in the AP Jumbo RO and the original 2 handed ref 3700 Jumbo Nautilus.  The three makers each finished the movements as they sought fit.  VC then had the bizzarre and unattractive 333, only to be followed by the less attractive Phideas.  Finally, in the mid 1990's they released the original Overseas.  The original version's movement was based on a GP movement and it sometimes had issues.  The chronograph used the tried and true F.Piguet 1185 (also used in the RO chronograph, Breguet Marine, various BPs, and the 38mm  automatic Cartier Pasha Chronograph). The time only was I believe 37mm and the chronograph was 40.  Both were quite nice looking and understated, but the bracelet links had a tendency to get tangled and locked up together.  The new bracelet was designed to avoid that tangling/locking issue.  

 

The latest Overseas models were designed in house, the chronograph was bumped up to 42mm, eliminated the crown protecting shoulders, and was supplied with a new bracelet that incorporated their Maltese Cross into its design.  The Dual Time shares the same JLC derived base that is used in JLC's own watches, and in the RO Dual Time.  The Chronograph uses the same F.Piguet 1185 as a base which is also used in the RO Chronograph.  I think the advancing of other timezones is easier on VC's Dual Time than on the RO Dual Time, due to its dedicated 2nd crown, but I find it looks awkward and unbalanced (somehow the 2nd crown IMHO looks better on JLC's own watches).  This is subjective but I found the RO Dual Time and RO Chronographs far more attractive in terms of cases, bracelets, and dials. While I find asymmetry attractive on some dials, I am not a fan of varying the sizes of the subdial on VC's chronograph, nor am I a fan of their using the second hand on the small seconds subdial that they have previously used on dress watches (I think all subdial hands should be identical in design).  

 

More importantly, when I was in the market for a luxury sports watch, in my field trips  to compare the offerings from VC, Patek, and AP, I found the finishing of the cases and bracelets of the Nautiluses, and ROs to be superior to that of the Overseas.  Granted one can say, well the Overseas costs a bit less than the others...but its still in their price range, and I think it should be on par with its direct sparing partners.  Sadly IMHO it isn't.  I also though the bracelets for the Nautilus and RO blend in seamlessly with their watch cases.  They look and feel like a complete unit with their watch cases.   The Nautilus and RO also seem better balanced because they feel like a complete unit.  While the Overseas bracelet I thought seemed like an "Add on."  I also thought the Nautilus and RO case constructions seemed more impressive and more intricate to produce, than the Overseas case which by comparison seemed clunky to me.  I also preferred the understated bracelets of the Nautilus and RO, and found the Maltese Cross Bracelet a bit too flashy, and maybe a bit too much like advertising for VC...reminding me of when Ebel incorporated "E"s into a bracelet years ago.  The Crosses as a bracelet might seem novel at first, but I think they could be tiresome later on.

 

I think VC makes a fantastic product, but for the reasons stated above, it was never a close contender in my search for a luxury sports watch.  I would much rather have one of their dress watches than their sport watches. However, luckily there are a variety of offerings from each brand to satisfy different tastes.  Anyway, just thought I would share my thoughts on VC's sports watches. 

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I like what you did here and the criteria you used, but how is the chrono on the speedy useful in every day life? Don't get me wrong, I like wearing my chrono, but unless I wear it to the gym (which I don't; I am no Frills), it doesn't get used much..

White tea, 2.5 minutes. Green, 3. Black 4. Herbal,
5-7. Elevator pitch, 3 minutes max. My friend's quarter mile time, 13.2 seconds. Time is money. Or, in some cases flavor.
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i never judge a man by his watch.

as long as he is not wearing a shitty watch.

this needs to be sigged
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Mimo I love the VC Contemporaine. While the Traditionelle watches are lovely, the styling of the Contemporaine speaks to me more viscerally. If I wasn't so fixated on buying an AL&S next, I'd be picking up that Contemporaine. In fact, it may be my next acquisition after an AL&S!
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Mimo I love the VC Contemporaine. While the Traditionelle watches are lovely, the styling of the Contemporaine speaks to me more viscerally. If I wasn't so fixated on buying an AL&S next, I'd be picking up that Contemporaine. In fact, it may be my next acquisition after an AL&S!

I will respond more in detail when I get home, but wanted to comment on this.

Funny that you mention that the Contemporaine speaks more to you viscerally (funny turn of phrase when you think about it...). The Contemporaine and the AL&S (especially the Saxonia) are very similar stylistically. When you speak of picking up a Lange, are you more interested in their Saxonia offerings or their 1815 offerings? Because the 1815, stylistically, reminds me a little bit more of the Traditionelle.

Small observation.
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I will respond more in detail when I get home, but wanted to comment on this.

Funny that you mention that the Contemporaine speaks more to you viscerally (funny turn of phrase when you think about it...). The Contemporaine and the AL&S (especially the Saxonia) are very similar stylistically. When you speak of picking up a Lange, are you more interested in their Saxonia offerings or their 1815 offerings? Because the 1815, stylistically, reminds me a little bit more of the Traditionelle.

Small observation.

I have a thread on one of the AL&S forums discussing this very topic. To cut a long story short, I had a long list for a simple 2 or 3 hand watch in pink/red gold that included the following:

1. AP Jules Audemars Extra Thin
2. VC Traditionelle Self-Winding (calibre 1120)
3. VC Traditionelle Small Seconds
4. VC Contemporaine
5. AL&S Saxonia Handwound
6. AL&S Saxonia Automatic (2011 model with full rotor)
7. AL&S Saxonia Thin
8. AL&S 1815 (38.5mm)

I've eliminated the AP from the list because I think I'd like to own a watch from another great house (I already have my AP RO). I wasn't as taken by the aesthetics of the VC Traditionelle Self-Winding and (IMHO) it is not a good value for money proposition (if I so desperately wanted a watch with the equivalent calibre 1120 I would probably buy the AP). The VC Traditionelle Small Seconds is also lovely, but I aesthetically prefer one of the 3-hand AL&S watches for reasons discussed elsewhere in this thread. Chiefly, I prefer the slimmer bezels of the AL&S watches which I find give the dials a wider, more expansive feel. Also I prefer the aesthetics of the AL&S movements, with the 3/4 plate, swan-neck regulator, engraved balance cock, etc.. Having spent time looking at the AL&S, I've just felt that they speak to me more, so effectively my short list now includes:

1. VC Contemporaine (the dark horse in the race)
2. AL&S Saxonia Handwound
3. AL&S Saxonia Automatic (2011 model with full rotor)
4. AL&S Saxonia Thin
5. AL&S 1815 (38.5mm)

Since the AL&S 1815 (38.5mm) has only just been released at SIHH this year, it won't be available for perusal until sometime later this year or early next (depending on your AD), and I suspect I won't be making a decision until I get to see it in the flesh.

The received opinion of the AL&S aficionados is to select from either the AL&S Saxonia Hand wound or AL&S 1815 (38.5mm). The hand-wound AL&S movements are better-liked by collectors (more characteristically Lange), many dislike the new Saxonia Automatic because of the full-sized rotor, while others dislike the Saxonia Thin because of the case dimensions and for other aesthetic reasons that I won't go into here. Although I'm still undecided, I'm minded to take the aficionados thoughts into consideration, and it's most likely a toss up between the AL&S Saxonia Hand wound or AL&S 1815 (38.5mm). Sadly, the VC Contemporaine will have to wait a little while longer... confused.gif

(P.S. Walt Odets has a great review of his AL&S Saxonia with big date function here...)
Edited by academe - 3/18/14 at 4:50pm
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this needs to be sigged

fistbump.gif i was hoping you would see that.
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Yeah. That happened to Mayer.

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2014/03/18/john-mayer-lawsuit-rolex-watches-fake-charlie-sheen-robert-maron

Guess the question is - if you think you're smarter than John Mayer about buying vintage Rolex pieces from dealers, then go right ahead. Caveat emptor....
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I have a thread on one of the AL&S forums
Chiefly, I prefer the slimmer bezels of the AL&S watches which I find give the dials a wider, more expansive feel. Also I prefer the aesthetics of the AL&S movements, with the 3/4 plate, swan-neck regulator, engraved balance cock, etc.. Having spent time looking at the AL&S, I've just felt that they speak to me more, so effectively my short list now includes:

1. VC Contemporaine (the dark horse in the race)
2. AL&S Saxonia Handwound
3. AL&S Saxonia Automatic (2011 model with full rotor)
4. AL&S Saxonia Thin
5. AL&S 1815 (38.5mm)

Since the AL&S 1815 (38.5mm) has only just been released at SIHH this year, it won't be available for perusal until sometime later this year or early next (depending on your AD), and I suspect I won't be making a decision until I get to see it in the flesh.


(P.S. Walt Odets has a great review of his AL&S Saxonia with big date function here...)

My vote is for whichever AL&S really makes you smile. The movements are finished to a level you won't get with the Contemporaine. I also greatly prefer their case lugs and dial. The Contemporaine always strikes me as too austere for a VC, but YMMV.
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