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Another post I wanted to make, regarding something a little off topic...

Although we generally fawn over watch pictures (because that is really our only option), I have noticed that some watches are simply way more photogenic than others. I guess I realized it when I saw some of the Piaget and FPJ watches yesterday. Those watches do not look nearly as fine as they do in real life because they are just so difficult to photograph.

In the similar vein, some watches are so darn photogenic that in real life they are almost a bit underwhelming. To not sound biased, I have to say that my MUT Moon may fall into this category. Do not get me wrong, I do not think it is underwhelming in the least (I still love my watch more than anything), but I think that photographs are really able to capture its beauty.

I guess the purpose of this post is... sometimes you really need to check things out in the flesh to really get a feel for them. And then there are those aspects that do not translate over pictures--the feel of a watch, how large it looks on the wrist, whether it is too thin or slab sided, etc. At the end of the day, nothing beats strapping it on your wrist for a test drive.
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Haven't seen any FPJ for real, so your realistic pics are a bonus.  And if it's any consolation, I like the MUT Moon a lot more on the wrist than in the pictures.

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Regarding the FPJ and reliability issues, do anyone have any real sense if we are discussing concerns from years ago that are far less relevant today or if those problems truly still exist? If it's the former, it would be unfortunate. I'm not accusing anyone here, I'm just truly curious. Dino is quite outspoken about those issues throughout the thread but I'm not entirely sure how applicable they are at present from reading the posts. This comes from me not being well versed on FPJ, it's nothing personal against Dino. Again, just curious and looking to be educated before I start googling the issue.
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Nuke, funny you say that about the MUT moon. I agree 100%.
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Haven't seen any FPJ for real, so your realistic pics are a bonus.  And if it's any consolation, I like the MUT Moon a lot more on the wrist than in the pictures.

I think you would enjoy it in real life my friend. And thanks for the kind words on the MUT Moon smile.gif.

Here is a great thread with some great pics:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f381/f-p-journe-love-chronometre-bleu-review-997484.html
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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post

Nuke, funny you say that about the MUT moon. I agree 100%.

Let me make a small comment. Kate Upton is incredibly photogenic. Kate Upon in real life may not look as good as her pictures. Kate Upon in real life is still an 11/10.

This is kind of how I feel about the MUT Moon. It really is one of the most photogenic watches in my opinion.
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Nice pictures, gents. I absolutely love the hands on the Journe.

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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Another post I wanted to make, regarding something a little off topic...

Although we generally fawn over watch pictures (because that is really our only option), I have noticed that some watches are simply way more photogenic than others. I guess I realized it when I saw some of the Piaget and FPJ watches yesterday. Those watches do not look nearly as fine as they do in real life because they are just so difficult to photograph.

In the similar vein, some watches are so darn photogenic that in real life they are almost a bit underwhelming. To not sound biased, I have to say that my MUT Moon may fall into this category. Do not get me wrong, I do not think it is underwhelming in the least (I still love my watch more than anything), but I think that photographs are really able to capture its beauty.

I guess the purpose of this post is... sometimes you really need to check things out in the flesh to really get a feel for them. And then there are those aspects that do not translate over pictures--the feel of a watch, how large it looks on the wrist, whether it is too thin or slab sided, etc. At the end of the day, nothing beats strapping it on your wrist for a test drive.

 

These are good points about how you present/view watches in pics versus in real life.

 

One of the grey dealers with whom I've purchased watches actually posts rather underwhelming pictures of his inventory on his site.  They aren't ugly pics, but they fall far short of what the watches look like in person.  Of course it's deliberate: he would rather have potential clients be in shock at how beautiful the watch is when they see it in person, versus feel underwhelmed once they see it in the flesh versus how good it looks in pics.

 

Needed to catch up on several pages worth of stuff here in TWAT as I've been super busy with travel but I'm still around!  Hello TWAT brethren!

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On topic - here's one that looks fantastic in real life AND in pics heh heh.

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Let me make a small comment. Kate Upton is incredibly photogenic. Kate Upon in real life may not look as good as her pictures. Kate Upon in real life is still an 11/10.

Right on!

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Where in Houston did you see these pieces? I am there a lot and would love to check it out.

PM sent.
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I have to say, the VC is quite stunning. I am not even remotely in disagreement!
Yes, the large automatic altiplano is not my favorite of the bunch, but I did find it quite interesting. I do not think that this was the 43mm version though? Surprisingly, I believe this was the 40mm version! It looked very, very large on my wrist though. I think it is the combination of the white face, painted dial, and thin bezel. One thing I did note about Piaget that I found particularly beautiful was the "absence" of much of a rehaut. I find a rehaut one of the less attractive parts of the dial-side (especially when it says ROLEXROLEXROLEX, but I digress smile.gif), and I really like how close the dial itself is to the sapphire. This is of course accomplished by lowering the subsidiary seconds. A very nice touch.



I was hoping that you would chime in on the matter of servicing issues. I am going to use a different metaphor. It is like a stunningly beautiful, exotic woman--we can call her my Kate Upton. If you marry her, you may live your lives with one another and be more than content. But there is that other part of you that realizes that there is a good chance you are going to get burnt. So the question comes down to... do you take the chance? I have heard that FPJ has remedied its reliability concerns. And I would be interested to see if the reliability concerns are limited to the crazy watches like the resonance, or the centigraphe, or whether the concerns span across the whole lineup. But I completely agree with your general assessment. Spending $20,000 on a watch that constantly goes back to be repaired is nothing if not nauseating.

Just a few words on the "feel" of the Journe watches--it is almost tangible how much though goes into making these watches. You can just tell that this is truly a labor of love. Maybe I am romanticizing it a bit, but they give a similar feeling to Laurent Ferrier. The watches also have a very nice, balanced heft. I love the VC, but it did not feel as balanced and reassuring on the wrist. The Journe watches felt more akin to a Lange on the wrist. They have that almost impossible to describe balance. The watch just kind of thunks onto your wrist. It almost feels magnetized.

Hi Nuke,

 

I stand corrected, the Altiplano automatic you had on was the 40mm.  It was a later release than other models (and they gave it a date), and to be honest I have not tried the 40mm auto.  Its too bad they did not have the manual wind 40mm for you to try.  Its small seconds subdial is a bit different.  I prefer it, as part of the numbers are inside the dial, part are outside the dial, and there is a change in design around the subdial, sort of like a jacquard on a tie.  You have to see it to appreciate.

 

As for my your metaphor vs mine...I suppose another way of looking at it would be if the watch were Kate Upton, you married her, and she spent more of her time with another man (watchmaker) than you.  ;)  Would it bother you? 

 

I do think you are romanticizing a bit....but that is certainly allowed here. :) Wishing you luck with whatever you decide.

 

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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post

Regarding the FPJ and reliability issues, do anyone have any real sense if we are discussing concerns from years ago that are far less relevant today or if those problems truly still exist? If it's the former, it would be unfortunate. I'm not accusing anyone here, I'm just truly curious. Dino is quite outspoken about those issues throughout the thread but I'm not entirely sure how applicable they are at present from reading the posts. This comes from me not being well versed on FPJ, it's nothing personal against Dino. Again, just curious and looking to be educated before I start googling the issue.

 

If it looks like an accusation, sounds like an accusation, and feels like one...it probably is one.  I've known guys that owned one, and felt the experience of having one was plenty.  I don't know anyone that presently owns one.  I thought I was merely warning a friend of the dangers of falling for pretty face, but which could have other issues. Its certainly up to you guys to do your homework, and decide which watches you make you smile enough to pull the trigger.  I have no ax to grind with Journe.  If they produced a reliable watch that was durable enough to wear in the situations when one might wear an Altiplano, Patrimony, Calatrava etc, I would strongly consider adding one to my own collection. I really like some of their simpler pieces a lot. I guess the way I look at it there are enough fantastic watches out there from top makers that have far better reputations that I don't need to be some brand's gineau pig.  If you can afford to drop $20K + on to experiment with a brand who has had serious issues (at least in the past, and for which there is no empirical data to prove much has changed), more power to you.  

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I'm just trying to get an understanding of the experience the warning comes from, I already get the good intentioned warning aspect. Sometimes I like clarification for my own knowledge. People in this thread have a lot more experience and knowledge than I do, so I wanted to ask the question, simple as that. No disrespect was intended.
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And Dino:

Although only 40mm, it wears very, very large. Although it is unfortunate I did not have the chance to see the manual wind 40mm, I think I saw enough lovely watches for the day! I will have to check it out though, as I love the eccentric subdial.

I think that your revision of my metaphor pretty much hits the nail on the head.

And thank you very much for your wishes. I am clearly in a state of indecision. But of course, that is part of the fun! I am sure next week I will be back on the RO train. Your picture the other day did nothing to help my case.
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Discuss:




And Dino:

Although only 40mm, it wears very, very large. Although it is unfortunate I did not have the chance to see the manual wind 40mm, I think I saw enough lovely watches for the day! I will have to check it out though, as I love the eccentric subdial.

I think that your revision of my metaphor pretty much hits the nail on the head.

And thank you very much for your wishes. I am clearly in a state of indecision. But of course, that is part of the fun! I am sure next week I will be back on the RO train. Your picture the other day did nothing to help my case.

Nuke I like the JLC, but I don't love the hands and lum markings. Its a lovely watch, but if compared to the Traditionelle or Altiplano ...my vote would go to the VC or Piaget. Although one must consider those 2 are dressier... Maybe depending on your style the JLC would get more daily wear, but maybe not? Although you already have a JLC so I like the idea of some versatility both in terms of style and brand.

Hopefully, at some point you will get to try on the manual 40mm Altiplano. Its a really beautiful watch.

Hopefully, that photo of the Jumbo won't be too much of a distraction to your journey towards a dress watch. If it is, I hope you won't blame me too much ; )
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Nuke I like the JLC, but I don't love the hands and lum markings. Its a lovely watch, but if compared to the Traditionelle or Altiplano ...my vote would go to the VC or Piaget. Although one must consider those 2 are dressier... Maybe depending on your style the JLC would get more daily wear, but maybe not? Although you already have a JLC so I like the idea of some versatility both in terms of style and brand.

Hopefully, at some point you will get to try on the manual 40mm Altiplano. Its a really beautiful watch.

Hopefully, that photo of the Jumbo won't be too much of a distraction to your journey towards a dress watch. If it is, I hope you won't blame me too much ; )

I am just excited about a Geophysic re-issue! This is in platinum, but it gives me hope for a SS version further down the line! And I am with you there. I would much rather have a VC, Piaget, AP, (or a FPJ smile.gif) before a Platinum Jaeger. Still, it is always nice when I see a re-issue of a classic, and I will wait for in-the-metal pics. The hands look pretty atrocious in the catalog picture. I am curious to see what kind of movement is in it.

And you know, right now I am kind of in a flux. I have a Speedmaster and a JLC MUT Moon, so I have both the casual and the dress on lock. A dress-casual hybrid probably makes the most sense in my collection, such as the 15202 or the 5711. On the other end of the spectrum, I am definitely drawn more towards dress watches, and I would like a simple time-only dress watch, such as the VC, Piaget, etc. They are both on my short-list (or should I say long-list), but I definitely need to figure out my priorities. The 15202 really is spectacular. I would like to spend more time with it.
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