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Hey Mimo,

Interesting question you posed a couple pages back regarding the "dress diver." In this day and age, I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with some infatuation over a desk diver. Admittedly, they are kind of silly. But when you look at this hobby from the outside-in, it is silly. I mean, it is certainly more functional that an EOT function, sidereal time, or a moonphase.

And especially with the casualization of the workplace, these dress divers have just become more and more suitable for every day use. Even if I wanted to I could not wear a suit to the office. Or a tie for that matter. There are days where I am nothing short of mandated to wear jeans (lest I get looks of suspicion). For me, a watch like the JLC or that Blancpain makes much more sense. And let us not forget--although a dive bezel was created for... well, diving, it is an ENORMOUSLY useful function. Functionally I would take a dive bezel over a chronograph any day of the week. You can twist around the bezel ad nauseum and it won't do anything to the watch. But running your chronograph all the time is supposedly not the best if you do not want a steep maintenance bill, at least when the chronograph does not have a column wheel / vertical clutch. And even then...

In regards to those particular watches--I love the JLC, and the Bathyscaphe, I just don't know. I have not seen either of them in person, so you have to take what I say with a grain of salt. But I just don't LOVE the Bathyscaphe. I do think the extra sharp case is cool... I like the color of the dial... I could live with the day counter... but I do not know if I could live with the small-nippled dial. Everything just looks a bit small proportionately. But at the same time, it gives it a quirky feel. It does look better in pictures though:



As for the big three-big four thing. I just put VC, AP, and PP in the Big Three. They are known as such because of their storied pasts, the fact that they have been running for eons, and their propensity to work primarily (if only) in precious metals. AL&S deserves to be in the mix, but they are only 25 years old and they are German. Breguet, I would not associate with these brands. Despite having some nice models, Breguet (to me) is a creation of the SWATCH company. I love JLC, it is my favorite brand, but they make too many steel cased watches.
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But when you look at this hobby from the outside-in, it is silly.

As for the big three-big four thing.

 

That's pretty much where I was going, I didn't write that in the end but I was thinking it!  Dressy divers are definitely silly, but in a way, so is having a mechanical clock tied to your wrist.  Quite right.  It's about the art and the love.

 

I make no great value judgement on the "big three" or modern five or four or whatever.  It seems to me that Lange is clearly in the same frame, and if anything nudging one or two of the others to the side as far as top-end detailing and originality go.  As for Breguet, it's just something I've read.  They do have a history, they do make some very high end pieces, and none of their stuff is that cheap - bar a few sportier steel numbers.  But you could say all of those things about JLC, or IWC for that matter.

 

So the three is the three, I love Lange best, and a Rolex-priced watch from Breguet, JLC or IWC would be a very difficult choice to make.  Oh, and dressy divers.  Yes, I'd love one despite my better judgement.

 

Specifically on the Bathyscaphe, I get all of those points.  In terms of prettiness it doesn't help being sat next to that JLC either.  But what I do like about it is, though impractical as a real diver, it does channel its dive history very clearly and even unfashionably.  There's something rather honest about it that I like.  But the drool vote goes to the Deep Sea, agreed.


Edited by mimo - 2/19/14 at 7:25am
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Lovin the strap too Kaplan, great happy.gif
Thanks. It's the one that comes with the watch, along with the rubber one.

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Kaplan, you too, I love that one. The gold hands are something else.
Assuming you mean the hands on the watch and not my own, I think you mixed me up with tchoy; but thanks anyway ;-)
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Better off insuring then "losing"...

Not sure what this means.. but thanks.
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Tukker, you need to page Stitchy.  He buys these things for a living.  And can possibly exchange for a watch. smile.gif

Good point - will do!
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Not sure what this means.. but thanks.
Good point - will do!

 

 

It means if you insured the ring then lose it you get replacement value on the ring though not exactly what you paid for the ring.  If you sell it you get even less than replacement.  Not saying commit insurance fraud but that is what this would be.

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Take it with a grain of salt because I've never been a big Paneristi, but I can't see how a Panerai fan wouldn't like everything they make.... they really mostly look the same to me.

i see what you mean, but there are some panny models i love and some i hate.
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I don't think it's reasonable to expect that you'd like absolutely everything a company makes. No one's perfect.

times a billion.
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Saw a couple of references to the "big 3" and decide to google. Am I right that you guys are referring to AP, Patek and VC? I'm wondering why JLC is considered a step below those three...presumably ALS isn't there because they're not Swiss?
Btw I know this is kind of a stirpot.gif post so apologies in advance laugh.gif

historically, PP, AP, and VC are "The Big Three". that is fact. people often debate about other brands belonging in the same group, but the phrase means what it means.

JLC imho (as a HUGE franboi) makes pieces that are in the same league, but because they also make many watches at the entry level, they will never be viewed the same way as the big 3. however, its important to note that they do make many movements for the watches under the names of the big 3. correct about ALS. kind of. even if they were swiss, im not sure that it would ever have been called the big 4, also not sure if the phrase can to be while they were defunct or not.
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Good point - will do!

feel free to PM and i will help as best i can, though as far as helping you personally, MD laws are prohibitive about buying precious metals and gems through the mail. frown.gif
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If, by wild coincidence, it happens to be a cushion cut on white gold, then maybe you can PM me...

 

(Stitch - but you have an office in DC that gets around this, no?)

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nope. not as far as i know. frown.gif
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As requesed, a wrist shot. This is the older, smaller version of this watch (3919). It was a wedding present from my wife.

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post #29215 of 48312
In that case both keepers 518

Nice work nod[1].gif
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In that case both keepers 518

Nice work nod[1].gif

I couldn't agree more. Of course, I might have dropped a hint or two . . . .
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I couldn't agree more. Of course, I might have dropped a hint or two . . . .

Very nice! Such a classic watch.

I hope my wife will be half as generous smile.gif.
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Here's a shot from the side that shows just how impossibly thin it is:

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Simply a beautiful classic.  As much as I like a variety of sport watches, its a nice change to see watches that are not 18mm thick and 50mm in diameter.  Great watch enjoy it. 

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Does anyone know what are good online places to sell diamonds? I know it's a stretch, but figured I may just try the collective wisdom here. Asking for a buddy who's looking to sell an engagement ring...peepwall[1].gif

Selling a diamond on line?  That sounds like a terrible idea.  Your buddy is going to mail his diamond to be evaluated/appraised and hope he get an offer for what he thinks is fair or declines and has to hope he actually gets the real diamond he sent in back?  I have a bridge I could sell him.  All kidding aside, talk to Stitchy he deals in that stuff.  

 

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I get what you are saying. The logo, font, and Piaget is definitely more stylized, and it is pretty darn cool. They kind of remind me of Cartier in that way. And I definitely respect the fact that Piaget as a brand has really embraced a style. Their watches are distinctly Piaget, and not that many brands come claim such a strong identity.

I am going to have a chance to see some Piagets at an AD soon, so I will report back with what I see! I have always enjoyed the Altiplanos, although some of them may have a diameter a little too large for the style.
I really do not know that much about the history of the brand either. Or what their existence looked like in the Quartz revolution.
 

Hi Nuke, I embrace them for being different from a lot of the other top end brands, even if it means simply printing there name differently.  I think if you stick to the manual wind 38-40mm Altiplanos you will see some great watches, that are very wearable.  Once you get into the automatic Aliplano at 43mm...they become too pancake like as they are too large and too thin...some of VC's Patrimony's suffer from that issue.

 

They do make a very high grade quartz movement called the chronoreflex movement and it has been used in their own watches, and in some quartz Cartier chronographs and it is actually a quartz perpetual calendar movement.  They have had tremendous achievements in making some of the thinnest movements in the world, and at times they have supplied movements to other companies.  

 

Just go and keep an open mind. No watch can be everything to everyone, but I personally find them more interesting than most Calatravas, less expensive, and top quality workmanship.  No watch can be everything to everyone...and luckily there are lots of choices.  

 

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Saw a couple of references to the "big 3" and decide to google. Am I right that you guys are referring to AP, Patek and VC? I'm wondering why JLC is considered a step below those three...presumably ALS isn't there because they're not Swiss?

Btw I know this is kind of a stirpot.gif post so apologies in advance laugh.gif

The Big Three referred to the top Swiss brands years ago.  AL&S is not Swiss so its not in there.  JLC is a nice watch, and they have made watches that overlap in terms of price, complications, functions, and at times quality.  However, they do make some entry level watches that are not quite what one would get from PP, AP, and VC. 

 

The Big Three as being without peers would be completely inaccurate today. But at one point, most watch people believed PP, AP, and VC represented the best quality Swiss watches.  Today there are brands that make watches that are on par with PP, AP, and VC...so just because a watch isn't part of the big three doesn't mean its not a great watch.  

 

Furthermore, JLC has often been content to be in the background.  Can they make watches on par with the Big Three, sure.  However, I have heard that they often have chosen not to.  Commercially, it makes little sense to sell to other brands, particularly to the big three, and then try to compete directly with them.  I would think at that point, they would lose some of those clients.  

 

If you go back and read some past posts I think you will find we did cover this area previously, so I don't want to do an in depth repeat for others that already saw that discussion.  But there is quite a bit on this topic in this thread.

 

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I make no great value judgement on the "big three" or modern five or four or whatever.  It seems to me that Lange is clearly in the same frame, and if anything nudging one or two of the others to the side as far as top-end detailing and originality go.  As for Breguet, it's just something I've read.  They do have a history, they do make some very high end pieces, and none of their stuff is that cheap - bar a few sportier steel numbers.  But you could say all of those things about JLC, or IWC for that matter.

 

 

 

Today the phrase The Big Three really just a way of referencing PP, AP, VC.  There are lots of great watches that are on par with them, and some such as AL&S, IMHO exceed them in terms of finish.  As for Breguet, its a classic brand with a very storied history.  Someone I knew that lived in Europe years ago said that among older generations the most coveted and cherished Swiss brands were VC and Breguet (regardless of PP and AP's standing in the world of watches). 

 

Today I don't quite consider them on par with PP, AP, or VC in terms of finish.  But they are still a nice brand.   

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historically, PP, AP, and VC are "The Big Three". that is fact. people often debate about other brands belonging in the same group, but the phrase means what it means.

JLC imho (as a HUGE franboi) makes pieces that are in the same league, but because they also make many watches at the entry level, they will never be viewed the same way as the big 3. however, its important to note that they do make many movements for the watches under the names of the big 3.

+1 Spot on my man.  I just added a little above.

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As requested, a wrist shot. This is the older, smaller version of this watch (3919). It was a wedding present from my wife.

A beautiful way to commemorate a special day!  Thanks for sharing a wrist shot. 

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+1 Spot on my man.  I just added a little above.

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