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post #28891 of 48312
i am woefully behind on all this action.

foley, fwiw, here is my opinion.

id pass on that PP, dont really love it.

im a big JLC fanboi and that is a great model and a great value, but the aesthetics dont do much for me.

i love both the GO and the ALS. one is asymmetrical and busy and one is symmetrical and simple. just a matter of personal preference and you cant go wrong with either.

i dont really think its worth throwing more options on the table as you clearly have spent time on this and came out with what appeals to you, and adding to it will really just be other people preferences and that should not dictate what you do imho. so, of the 4 you are looking at, its ALS or GO for me. personally id go ALS because im a whore and also i tend towards symmetry.
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I don't think it's entirely fair to consider the Pano "derivative" of the L1: it's a natural assumption to think of something that's cheaper-than-but-similar-to as an hommage or "derivative of", by definition.  And it's usually true I suppose.  But I don't believe so in this case: Lange and GO are born (reborn in Lange's case), out of the same company, only twenty years ago.  There are several similarities in style in these models, but it's not as if one company went and imitated the timeless classic of another (e.g. MP's unashamedly Sub-alike Seiko, that's in a very different place in the market).  As you said, the Pano has arguable superiority in some areas, of which I would cite their brilliant symmetrical "big date".  Maybe GO's is the defining "big date"?  GO belongs to Swatch, and is a lot cheaper.  But just because Lange belongs to Richemont doesn't make it a re-badged JLC.

 

Hi Mimo,

 

Sorry, but I disagree on this point.  Yes, the Pano is a derivative and IMHO, a lesser substitute.  When the Lange 1 was originally released it was considered a ground breaking design.  When the Panos came out...it was more like..."Oh, a less expensive alternative to a Lange 1."  GO makes a good quality watch, but it would annoy me to no end to have something that is essentially a derivative/copy of the original.  If an original isn't in my budget, I will find something else original that is.  If I wanted a GO, I would choose something that defines GO and doesn't stand in the shadows on another brand.  Just my 2 cents! 

 

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I don't disagree with any of this, I was just saying how most people tend to talk about the Pano series. I know I could handle having Dino next to me expressing his unfiltered opinion on the PML every second I had it on my wrist and it wouldn't change my opinion of the watch at all. I just don't think if you really want the Lange 1, or if you are sensitive to the opinions of other watch lovers, that the PML is right for you. That is what I was trying to get across there in less words.

 

I love GO, but in steel. I think steel fits in better with there general aesthetic. So for me I'd look to other brands for gold. But I certainly agree to shopping around if you want a GO in a precious metal. I believe a LNIB would be deeply discounted and a great buy if that's what you were after.

You are one hell of a good sport if you could handle having me sit next to you and express my unfiltered opinion about the PML while you were wearing it.  Cheers my friend :cheers:

 

I do think you hit upon an important point.  If someone really wants a Lange 1 (Patek, Rolex, or whatever) don't buy a substitute.  Substitutes rarely scratch that itch.  Usually, its a temporary fix and the heart and mind will always wander back to their true love. As much as we discuss the merits of innovation, finishing, and movements, a watch purchase is an emotional purchase and if one is spending  sizable sum (be it $2,000 or $200,000) one should purchase a watch the love.  I think that is particularly true if one is commemorating a special event with a watch.  How can one commemorate something with what they don't truly adore and view as a substitute.  I think that would detract from it.  There are watches I adore in a variety of price ranges, so for me commemorating something doesn't mean it would have to be with the most expensive watch watch that I love. 

 

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Thanks everyone for taking the time to comment and for the honest opinions. That’s what I am looking for here. I plan to take my time and enjoy the process.


Regarding GO vs Lange – It’s become more clear than ever that I need to try on the Lange options in order to appreciate what I would be getting. It’s hard to ignore the price difference but for a special occasion like this, I don’t want to be left wishing I had spent some more and purchased the ‘real thing’. Also, I am drawn to the concept of getting a timepiece that is not available in SS, and the comments reinforce those sentiments. Same is true for some of the JLC models.

Regarding the rose gold choice. My wife really likes rose gold and I think the only way I can pull this off with her blessing is to get something in that material (I like it as well, of course).
She does not really understand why I need more than one watch (!) but she does humor me (I remind her that there are worse vices), and she consistently picks rose gold watches when I drag her to the dealers.

I like rose gold, particularly if you wear a lot of SS or white metal watches.  It adds some variety and further differentiates some of these dress watches you are considering from watches that are sporty such as your Daytona.  

 

Definitely, try on Langes and GOs, and be sure you don't feel like you are leaving with a substitute.  As I mentioned above, substitutes rarely scratch that itch.  A friend of mine regularly buys the substitute for what he really wants, usually due to price.  Then he end up still wanting the other, selling the first watch, eating some depreciation, and eventually getting the one he wants.  Buy the one you want (within your budget).  Its great to commemorate a nice event with a watch, but its also nice not to have buyers remorse and wish you had gone with the other piece.  I can say one of the best purchases ever was my RO Jumbo.  It is one watch that I have never second guessed, I didn't wonder if I should have purchased a different model, or different brand, and I've had no regrets about it.  You should feel the same about your purchase regardless of the brand or amount you decide to spend.  Good luck and keep us posted. 

post #28893 of 48312
To fully appreciate the beauty of that Lange, you must view it from the caseback side. Stunning.
post #28894 of 48312
pics now. that obvi could be a game changer.
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GO PML:

 

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post #28896 of 48312
honestly, even though the ALS is probably finished nicer, they are both stunning. i have always been in love with the double swans neck on the GO, and i have a thing for micro-roters and branded roters, so its still a toss up for me. either one is a winner.
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honestly, even though the ALS is probably finished nicer, they are both stunning. i have always been in love with the double swans neck on the GO, and i have a thing for micro-roters and branded roters, so its still a toss up for me. either one is a winner.


I agree with this 100% in terms of the movement aesthetics. In this instance I find the GO more interesting, finishing aside. Though I can't really comment on the particulars of the finish as a comparison anyway except to say that I have handled the GO on several occasions and nothing has stood out as lacking. Maybe I would need a loop to notice, or maybe I'm ignorant.

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Sorry, but I disagree on this point.  

 

I knew you would.  Disagreeing with you is a foolish behaviour on my part, invariably, and yet I am occasionally compelled to roll the dice anyway to see if I've learned anything.  I had always thought the "big date" concept had come from some GUB-era piece, and evolved in different directions.  Anyway, thank you for my educational slap. :)

 

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To fully appreciate the beauty of that Lange, you must view it from the caseback side. Stunning.

 

Yes indeed.  Again (I don't know why I keep sticking up for GO when Lange is so obviously better!), the finish on GO is not shabby either: every hand-engraved balance cock is unique too, so I'm told.  But yes.  Lange is the Beyonce of watches.  Sure, it's pretty, but turn it around and look at that movement...

 

 

While we're on the subject of German watches (which is definitely one of my favourite subjects), putting my brain in Saxony did give me a more original idea for another question:

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So, cushion shaped watches with wire lugs. Does anyone currently produce something similar, smaller than the Radiomirs?
 

Tutima.  No wire lugs, but some interesting case shapes - simple three hands, chronos, fliegers...and it's nice to be different, isn't it?  I believe they've graduated from Lemania to in-house movements, too.  I don't know how much these are, but the older Lemania ones are about $1-2k.

 

 

post #28899 of 48312
Both have a nice movement architecture. But view them side-by-side, and you will see that Lange is the clear winner.

Lange finishing has a very warm quality that is nigh impossible to notice in pictures. But in person, it just glows. I do not get that feeling with JLCs finishing, GO's finishing... well, most finishing.

But look at the finishing on a VC, PP, or Lange, and you will see what I mean.

With Lange, the german silver and the anglage really pop.
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

Both have a nice movement architecture. But view them side-by-side, and you will see that Lange is the clear winner.

Lange finishing has a very warm quality that is nigh impossible to notice in pictures. But in person, it just glows. I do not get that feeling with JLCs finishing, GO's finishing... well, most finishing.

But look at the finishing on a VC, PP, or Lange, and you will see what I mean.

With Lange, the german silver and the anglage really pop.


I find this hard to judge in stores. The lighting there tends to lead me to incorrect everyday conclusions. Outside of Frill's PP though, I haven't handled any of those high end finishing brands out in the wild so this is just a general comment from me.

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I've seen them both in rapid succession (near-neighbouring boutiques), and of course Lange has the edge, but it's also twice the price.  I'm actually quite impressed with GO, though.  I'd say it's actually more impressive than VC to my uneducated eye.  And I like VC.  Something about German thoroughness.

post #28902 of 48312
Foley - good to meet someone else in the medical profession

Hate to add more options, but since you're in this neighborhood I just had to throw this out. Pic borrowed from internet..


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Foley - good to meet someone else in the medical profession

Hate to add more options, but since you're in this neighborhood I just had to throw this out. Pic borrowed from internet..


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I think that will be outside of his budget if new...not sure I've seen many on the second hand market so not sure what a pre-owned model would go for. 

post #28904 of 48312

What watch do you gentlemen wear daily? Ill start with my Breitling Colt

 

post #28905 of 48312
Rnguy - thanks for the suggestion.
I tend to compartmentalize. I have a chronograph (Daytona) so was looking at dress options without.

Regarding the case backs, display backs are part of the value and enjoyment for me. It's one of the most attractive aspects of my Hour Vision (see photo here) and
the GO PML mechanism left a profound impression on me.
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