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Nuke, you're very kind. Thanks to you all for the education, and probably ruining my life. Anyway, I'm sure I will say something stupid soon. Perhaps below:

GO Senator Perpetual is certainly one I would like a lot more, just because it looks like it was designed to be what it is. That MontBlanc just screams of a small movement lost in a fashionably big case, with those big sticks as incongruous padding.

As for the Calatrava, it's just a lot of money for something very simple. Then again, a platinum Richard Lange costs that, and is simple too....but I'd love it.

No problem! Thanks for your contributions!

And yes, the GO Senator Perp is quite a lovely watch. I never really appreciated it until we all discussed it a while ago. And you know, the Montblanc looks like it is in a fashionably big case, but it actually clocks in at 39mm x 10mm. Darn near a perfect size in my opinion.

I am curious what the movement is. Perp Cals do not require that much in the way of space. But it looks like that movement was designed for a watch in the 34-36mm range? I am curious nonetheless.

And in regards to the RL--I put the platinum RL ahead of the RG 5227. The RL has a MUCH more interesting movement, to say the least. And platinum is awesome possum.
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BP 7002 today.

This is something of a cult watch among watch geeks. It was only made in steel and has a beautifully finished, simple movement. You can google it for more info if you care




Aprapos of recent discussions, while not widely available, it does come up for sale from time to time on the various sites in the 4 to 5k range. It is a very classic and wearable 36mm and can certainly work as a dress watch. It was also made with a black dial.
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MontBlanc makes some handsome watches and while I appreciate what they're trying to do as a whole, there are just too many heavy hitters at that price point. This is assuming you don't need a perpetual calendar, and you're not factoring in any discounts on the MB (which shouldn't be too hard I think.)

As others have said, that's Daytona territory biggrin.gif

That being said, a perpetual calendar in a quality case around 10k (assuming a little discount eventually) isn't shabby.
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Dino and Nuke

I agree with you guys. This phenomenon has especially turned me off a bit on Panerai. I mean Lord help me I've had several, but find these price increases a real kick in the ass when they haven't done anything to improve upon the watch. It just irks me. I get manufacturing costs go up, but the increase in costs of even some of their base models in the last 6-7 years alone is nuts.

I remember when you could walk out with BNIB automatic for a little over 4k. Ahhh those days are long gone I guess.


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I couldn't agree more Dino. $35-$37k for a time and date watch seems ludicrous to me. The lugs and the finishing on the 5227 are pretty spectacular, but it still uses a relatively unsophisticated (albeit well finished) movement. I love the 5227 aesthetically, especially the Dauphine hands, but I find that it presents a fairly terrible value proposition.
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No problem! Thanks for your contributions!

And yes, the GO Senator Perp is quite a lovely watch. I never really appreciated it until we all discussed it a while ago. And you know, the Montblanc looks like it is in a fashionably big case, but it actually clocks in at 39mm x 10mm. Darn near a perfect size in my opinion.

I am curious what the movement is. Perp Cals do not require that much in the way of space. But it looks like that movement was designed for a watch in the 34-36mm range? I am curious nonetheless.

And in regards to the RL--I put the platinum RL ahead of the RG 5227. The RL has a MUCH more interesting movement, to say the least. And platinum is awesome possum.

 

 

A friend's dad has that GO Senator Perp, and it's pretty damn stunning. 

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Originally Posted by robw View Post

BP 7002 today.

This is something of a cult watch among watch geeks. It was only made in steel and has a beautifully finished, simple movement. You can google it for more info if you care




Aprapos of recent discussions, while not widely available, it does come up for sale from time to time on the various sites in the 4 to 5k range. It is a very classic and wearable 36mm and can certainly work as a dress watch. It was also made with a black dial.


Sexy back.

Would like to see more BlancpaiN around here.
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Spock watch today.
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Nice, Hayward. Don't see many of those, either.

Very interesting watch for several reasons, crown placement being perhaps the most obvious.

Does it have the typical Seiko light-up-the-whole-movie-theater lume?

"Sir, can you turn your watch off, please?"
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Yes, indeed it does. In fact I literally never need to "charge up" the lume for it to instantly readable all night. The 24 hour hand has blue lume, which bothered me until I got the whole concept of the dial - the 12 hour display is instantly readable, and 24 hour display right afterwards, neither distract from each other. It's also the only Spring Drive with the power reserve oriented in the right way, all the others look upside down to me.
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Do not like. The subdials squeezed in to the middle of the dial turns me off. Give me a GO perpetual.

Agreed. There are too many watchmakers who apparently don't understand the golden ratio.

Also, it probably means there is a huge spacer for the movement inside.
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Kap, that Seamaster looks v noice nod[1].gif

I may go back to the DJ and compare...


I had a blue day today.


AppleMark

Is that a blue faced Date? I can't really tell on my monitor. Looks fantastic either way.
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Just as an aside, interesting musings re Mont Blanc here recently

I just get the impression that here in the uk the brand isn't held in the highest esteem at all. I have a MB pen but would not look at a watch. A key reason is how they are marketed here etc and where they pitch themselves in the market.

I have tried to look at them objectively in light of postings here but I've been conditioned? Or have they found a niche in the uk and seek, have sought a different status elsewhere...

Just an observation
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^ I prefer their pens too (I have one).
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Is that a blue faced Date? I can't really tell on my monitor. Looks fantastic either way.

Wraith it is thanks.

Better pics, including our twee his and hers.

AppleMark

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So, this is interesting. A Montblanc Perpetual Calendar Moonphase for under $13,000 in SS.

Thoughts? I will leave my impressions out for the time being smile.gif.

Not at all interested.  I really dislike the fact that they must have used a movement that belongs in a much smaller watch and therefore all of the subdials are shifted toward the center. There are very few watches that have done that successfully to still create a watch that looks great...and this isn't one of them.  The fact that its a perpetual calendar for $13K, is still not enticing since I'd have to look at that dial.  There are too many other great watches out there in the $10-15K range that I'd rather have.  They may not be perpetual calendars, but if the only way I can have a watch with a perpetual calendars (or other complication) is by compromising its overall design, then its not a watch I'd want anyway. 

 

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Originally Posted by DLJr View Post

Do not like. The subdials squeezed in to the middle of the dial turns me off. 

+1  Exactly!

 

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I couldn't agree more Dino. $35-$37k for a time and date watch seems ludicrous to me. The lugs and the finishing on the 5227 are pretty spectacular, but it still uses a relatively unsophisticated (albeit well finished) movement. I love the 5227 aesthetically, especially the Dauphine hands, but I find that it presents a fairly terrible value proposition.

As for its overall design, the 5227 its a nice enough watch, but nothing spectacular for its price.  I can't even say that care for it that much aesthetically, its fine but not a big deal to me.  I think for me the Calatravas and I are just not meant to be.  I've had numerous opportunities to buy them years ago, brand new from ADs at a fraction of their current prices.  However, years ago I always felt they were watches for guys over 50...very nice but nothing exciting.  Now, when I might have more interest or use for a dress watch from them, I find their pricing ridiculous, and I still don't find them that appealing, especially when I can see no real value for what I'd be purchasing.  The Calatravas are fine watches, classic, well made, very well finished, but IMHO in its class its only real distinction is that it is significantly more costly than similar offerings from AP, VC, Piaget, and JLC.  From what I have seen they all have offerings that are comparable in finish to that of a Calatrava, as each is truly a great company producing some of the best finished watches.  

 

I think the Richard Lange (an alternative suggested by Mimo ) is one of the few watches that significantly exceeds the finish of the Calatrava (and that of other competitors), and its also a much rarer watch.  For me the only Pateks that really interest me are the Nautilus (as its a watch where you can actually see the workmanship that goes into building and finishing its complex case and bracelet), and their more complicated watches which require creativity, more hand workmanship, and the finish is a bit finer than on a Calatrava.  I'm not anti-Calatrava, but at the current pricing scheme Patek has come up with there are other watches that I think are as good as a Calatrava (the RL might be better), and some of the alternatives are IMHO better looking, and can be bought for less.  Just my 2 cents. 

 

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As for the Calatrava, it's just a lot of money for something very simple. Then again, a platinum Richard Lange costs that, and is simple too....but I'd love it.

Nothing wrong with spending a lot of money on something simple, but when its its at the pinnacle of pricing for class it should stand out as the absolute best.  In its class its a great watch, but it doesn't stand out as the best...particularly when squaring off against a Richard Lange. 

 

 

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Nice, Hayward. Don't see many of those, either.

Very interesting watch for several reasons, crown placement being perhaps the most obvious.

Does it have the typical Seiko light-up-the-whole-movie-theater lume?

"Sir, can you turn your watch off, please?"

+1  Interesting design and  I like the "Sir can you turn your watch off please" factor.  

 

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Spock watch today.

How about a Lume shot when you get a chance?

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