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Such a dangerous progression...but one can reminder her watches can last a lifetime, hold their value better, and some on occasion can appreciate (Mrs. Dino likes the last factor)...shoes if taken care of can last a lifetime,...but they don't hold any value once you've worn them.  Not that everything is a value issue...simply helps if you want rationalize wink.gif  

Thanks Bro!

I find the name of the RG funny...Logical One...especially in such an emotionally driven hobby.  That being said, they are so different I don't know how you could compare them other than price and the merits of traditional from big name vs. modern design from an indy.  I suppose if going by emotions try them both on and see which speaks to you.  If going by logic, then the answer is easy 3970 everyday and twice on Sundays. wink.gif

Oh I know the name is ridiculous, and that the 3970 is the more rational buy. I suppose I just like the idea of one guy making my watch mostly. I'll probably either do 3970 or 5970 in the end, just flirting with other random ideas.
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I liked the Omega Speedmaster Moon and the Jaeger Reverso but I am leaning toward the Chopard as my second watch. Then follow it with a Rolex Sub, then the Jaeger Reverso but with the double sided watch and then an Omega.

Then again I may see a watch tomorrow I like and everything will change.

Would love a Patek but two things concern me..
1) I don't want to drop my load on one watch
2) I don't feel I deserve one yet...this watch virgin needs to get some action first...plus my favorite Patek's are six figures and I am pretty sure my wife would leave me if I even thought about it.

I tell you there is one more watch that I like the look of...it's a Montblanc. I can't remember the name, it has some skeleton features and it runs around $13k.

It seems Montblanc is not well regarded by watch enthusiasts.
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^Their pens are on sale.

 

http://www.jomashop.com/mont-blanc.html

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^ lol.... they do make nice pens!
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I tell you there is one more watch that I like the look of...it's a Montblanc. I can't remember the name, it has some skeleton features and it runs around $13k.

It seems Montblanc is not well regarded by watch enthusiasts.

Montblanc - some in-house movements, others are ETA Valjoux. No real watch heritage. Charge a lot for plastic resin pens. Just comes off as a cynical attempt to expand into adjacent markets. Buy it if you like it, but won't hold its value and won't achieve any wrist appreciation if you care about that.

Other options include Benzinger: http://www.watchbuys.com/store/pc/jochenbenzingerwatches.asp if you want something rare and skeletonized (but, obviously, maintenance will involve sending it back and forth). Maybe Armin Strom, Oris or Maurice Lacroix are also options if you are into skeletonized. Not sure there is a JLC or any top tier maker with a skeletonized watch around that price.
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Oh I know the name is ridiculous, and that the 3970 is the more rational buy. I suppose I just like the idea of one guy making my watch mostly. I'll probably either do 3970 or 5970 in the end, just flirting with other random ideas.

I guess something else to consider with some Indys, although you can get screwed on the depreciation if you bought a new watch (as its resale would probably not be as strong as Patek), is that some of them you would have actual contact with the watch maker.  My friend bought a tourbillon from a small indy for about $130K.  He got to correspond with the watch maker, visit the shop and even request of few small changes.  So maybe for him that had some value.  But if buying an RG preowned, there would be no opportunity for that, although I suppose how much interaction one has with the watch maker at an Indy depends on the company (and even at $130K I believe there were a few things they told my friend that they would not change).  

 

Good luck with whatever you decide.

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In case anyone is curious (I know I had trouble finding info), I dropped off my watch at Rolex in Dallas on October 25th for service and they called on November 26th to tell me that it is ready to be picked up. So it took almost exactly 1 month, which isn't bad. However, this is with a direct drop-off as well.
Edited by Superfluous - 11/30/13 at 3:39pm
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Not to quibble, but when did this thread become so shamelessly self-promoting and narcissistic?
*Sigh*
#brandwhore #canofworms
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Does anyone know rough estimates on the full service cost of different brands, particularly the ones below? Most likely an overlooked aspect for most people when buying a watch. I'm curious how the prices vary (and any other info about the servicing).

Breitling
Cartier
Patek
IWC
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Dino does not make mistakes. Only deliberate lapses to test whether we're paying attention.

So I went to the Rolex boutique at 5th avenue this afternoon and finally wore the all platinum Daytona. Got up close and personal with it, though they made me wear gloves.

So should I make the trade? Patek in yellow gold for an all platinum Daytona!!!

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But what if they threw the blue/black GMT in the deal?

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#justkiddingnosuchdealwasofferedplusiamnotthatdumb



/****** Apparently I live on Instagram too - mainly timepieces, shoes, attire and the occasional cheeseburger. @no_frills_vc. ******/

That Daytona is nuts. Isn't that the blue/brown? Not sure I like the colors. I saw on chrono24 that they are selling for $75k?!?!? Is that true in store too?
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That Daytona is nuts. Isn't that the blue/brown? Not sure I like the colors. I saw on chrono24 that they are selling for $75k?!?!? Is that true in store too?

 

That is precisely the US MSRP for this Daytona in all plat.  $75K.

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That is precisely the US MSRP for this Daytona in all plat.  $75K.

Is that the general rate for similar platinum pieces or is this a special edition? I've never looked at platinum watches really. $75k seems steep if you look at the price of platinum vs gold. http://www.monex.com/liveprices
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Does anyone know rough estimates on the full service cost of different brands, particularly the ones below? Most likely an overlooked aspect for most people when buying a watch. I'm curious how the prices vary (and any other info about the servicing).

Breitling
Cartier
Patek
IWC

Its not simply based on brand, but also on complexity of the watch.  Patek used to have prices listed on their website as starting points for a basic time only piece, small complication like say an annual calendar, and then grand complications.  I believe there starting point was around $1,000-1,200 if one considered the exchange rate as it was listed in Swiss Francs.  The best thing to do is call a service center and ask what a basic service costs for the watch you are interested in purchasing. 

 

My wife had a large automatic steel Cartier Tank Francaise overhauled and polished about 3-4 years ago and it was only only $450.  But I understand prices have gone up considerably.  Call 800 Cartier and ask for the service center and they should be able to give you an up to date quote...but remember that is generally if nothing is damaged or wrong.  If the watch is damaged and needs parts replaced the prices go up.

 

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Is that the general rate for similar platinum pieces or is this a special edition? I've never looked at platinum watches really. $75k seems steep if you look at the price of platinum vs gold. http://www.monex.com/liveprices

You can't simply base the cost on the current relative prices of gold and platinum.  Gold is very soft and easy to work with.  Platinum is dense, hard, and far more difficult to work with than gold.  So it requires more labor and often more time to work with than gold.  However, platinum is far more durable than gold.  In jewelry form its more pure, usually 95% platinum and only 5% alloy, hence its marked PT950, while 18Kt gold is only 75% gold and is 25% alloy.  So you can't really base the price difference purely on trading prices. 

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Its not simply based on brand, but also on complexity of the watch.  Patek used to have prices listed on their website as starting points for a basic time only piece, small complication like say an annual calendar, and then grand complications.  I believe there starting point was around $1,000-1,200 if one considered the exchange rate as it was listed in Swiss Francs.  The best thing to do is call a service center and ask what a basic service costs for the watch you are interested in purchasing. 

My wife had a large automatic steel Cartier Tank Francaise overhauled and polished about 3-4 years ago and it was only only $450.  But I understand prices have gone up considerably.  Call 800 Cartier and ask for the service center and they should be able to give you an up to date quote...but remember that is generally if nothing is damaged or wrong.  If the watch is damaged and needs parts replaced the prices go up.

You're right that calling the service centers themselves is probably the best idea. I know a lot of the salesmen in the store have no clue and have given me highly inaccurate estimates as well.
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You can't simply base the cost on the current relative prices of gold and platinum.  Gold is very soft and easy to work with.  Platinum is dense, hard, and far more difficult to work with than gold.  So it requires more labor and often more time to work with than gold.  However, platinum is far more durable than gold.  In jewelry form its more pure, usually 95% platinum and only 5% alloy, hence its marked PT950, while 18Kt gold is only 75% gold and is 25% alloy.  So you can't really base the price difference purely on trading prices. 

That's interesting. A lot of people say "Why get Platinum over Steel?" In addition to the weight, is platinum also tougher/more durable than steel? What other reasons would someone get platinum?
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Because it's cool?

 

My question is "why by a platinum Rolex?"

 

I mean, there are a dozen cool Rolexes that I would be proud to own, including the Daytona.  But seventy-five grand? To be honest, $13k for the steel one seems a bit steep these days too.  But that much money could just buy so much love.  Like all of those dozen cool Rolexes.

 

Or, if platinum chronographs are your thing, this one described by no less a master than Laurent Ferrier as "the best serially-produced watch" (apparently he bought one himself).

 

 

$75k for a platinum chronograph....I think I'd want it to look like this.  Or get a nearly new one and have that steel Daytona with the change.

 

#langefanboi

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