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A quick question regarding completeness on the secondhand market (for relatively common watches):

If purchasing a used watch from a dealer, am I correct in assuming that a lack of box/papers/etc. should affect the value as much as it appears to from private parties? The watch in question is an 80's SS Datejust (16014). I think I might just spend another $500 or so to get a complete 16220.
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Thanks, Wes.  I can't say I've ever read it much, but I might just give that a shot.  I spend enough time pontificating on here for my own leisure..why deny my sincere ignorance to a broader public? :)

 

 

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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

I think I might just spend another $500 or so to get a complete 16220.

 

I think I would too.  I'm no expert on these things, but from what I've seen I'd expect a 10%-25% reduction for no box and papers.  When the real experts get back from their holiday, I'm sure they'll straighten you out!  Stitchy's the man for this one I reckon.

 

Put it this way, I bet when the dealer bought it he tore it to pieces based on the very absence of those bits of provenance.

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And here's a shot of the Prototype Dial in Imperial Red. The completed watch should be with us by end next week.

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photo IMG_1041.jpg

Daughter's baptism today and this one will make me smile just a little more smile.gif

Hoping everyone has a great rest of the weekend.
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^^ Love it!  Small seconds and power reserve versus chrono is a hard choice!  I love that layout.

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Thanks Alex

Cheers

Rich
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cyc - yes, no box and papers should defo bring the price down.

rnguy - nice! i hope everything is lovely.
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+1...great photo rnguy.


Everyone slept in this morning at my house...."resting up" for Labor Day....






Burgers and beer this afternoon!
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Fantastic watch rnguy - enjoy the happy event.

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I just made it through the thread since I left town, and wow, there have been some really excellent posts! It took me a couple hours to read everything, and each hour I spent was an absolute delight. Mimo, your *tire-kicking (U-S-A, U-S-A!) diaries were just great. I will try to respond to a couple today when I have the chance. I really enjoyed your insights.

~ B ~, I look forward to seeing more pics, the red dial looks very cool.

This place really is a treasure, and I am always thankful about how much people put into every one of their posts. It makes this a great place to hang out.
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Nuke, your words are as delightful as your magnificent breasts.  Thank you, my friend. :)

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Lookin good, Keith!
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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

I just made it through the thread since I left town, and wow, there have been some really excellent posts! It took me a couple hours to read everything, and each hour I spent was an absolute delight. Mimo, your *tire-kicking (U-S-A, U-S-A!) diaries were just great. I will try to respond to a couple today when I have the chance. I really enjoyed your insights.

~ B ~, I look forward to seeing more pics, the red dial looks very cool.

This place really is a treasure, and I am always thankful about how much people put into every one of their posts. It makes this a great place to hang out.

Thanks Newcomer! Updates will be coming rapidly in the next 2 weeks, as the prototype watch and 10 dials are being assembled and photographed. They will also be featured on a well-known watch blog as a world exclusive (can't reveal more details yet).
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Here is what a pair of true artisanal blued steel hands look like. These hands, destined for the prototype Imperial, are individually blued by hand and tweezer over a 300 degree flame, rather than being placed in a tray in large batches to be heated in an oven, in the case of other high-end watch brands.

Blued hands used to be made exclusively in this way for centuries, until the plague of cost-cutting and economic avarice led even the grand old names to surrender to the tray and oven method of mass-produced blued hands. In our age, the hand, eye and tweezer method is employed almost only by the great AHCI independent watchmakers. Consequently, hands produced in this time-honoured artisanal process turn a more consistent blue shade, and evince an inimitable character.

Do note that the hands look much more blue in the photo than in reality due to the lighting. In real life the hands are more of a midnight blue shade, and only appear brighter when reflecting light.

The blued steel CELADON Crown is also an industry first. Heated blued hands are relatively common (though usually on watches costing several times that of ours) and blued lugs or bezels have been done on extremely expensive AHCI watches costing six digits.

But the CELADON Imperial is ***the only watch in the world*** with a blued steel dial signature.

The blued CELADON Crown and hands will elegantly complement the mellifluous creamy guilloche of the Rice Paper Cream dial, an aesthetic employed for three thousand years in Chinese traditional ink wash painting.

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OK, can I give a bit of honest feedback B?

You are going about selling watches in IMO a wrong way. Don't give me a spec sheet, which your sig essentially is - "two hand-engraved balance cocks in gold, coupled with four gold chatons, cotes de geneve, 3/4 plate, heat-blued screws and swan neck fine adjuster". You've previously mentioned the handcrafted watch strap, and now the heat-blued hands. I'm not buying a fridge or washing machine, I'm potentially buying a mechanical watch. Mechanical watches are emotional purchases. Give me a story.

Give me motivation to buy a watch made in China, which I (and likely others) reasonably or not immediately mentally associate with shitty watches worn by fanboys who diss Swiss-made when it never really was in their budget ballpark, the PMWF WAYWT, and sweatshops. Seagull is not exactly an esteemed name in watchmaking, and a parallel is that you've adopted the (old) Lexus method of selling - which was this car is a great buy because we have crammed so many features/luxuries into it and can still sell it for this relatively low low low price! Hence the persisting notion that a Lexus is a rich man's Toyota, instead of a luxury marque in it's own right. Lexus has since moved on to advertising that appeals more to the emotions, and perhaps you should too.

Tell me more about the dial, tell me more about the history/heritage behind it. You've skimmed over something which is IMHO crucial before when you mentioned in passing that the original watch design was inspired by the first MIC watch. Tell me about who wore that firs MIC watch. Tell me more about the workers in the factory that make the watches. Tell me about their working conditions and lives, so I don't default to the assumption that they work in shitty conditions in a country world renown for oppressing it's own people. Tell me about how the finishing is hand-applied. Tell me that the lacquer isn't some shitty plastic, but genuine cinnabar which has its roots in Chinese tradition. Tell me about the history of the Seagull factory, something that might help me put aside/forget the shitty shitty factory name. I mean, mental experiment - would you wear a watch named Porpoise or Turtle or Opossum if you knew nothing else about the watch??

Right now the only emotion I am getting is that the big watch companies are ripping us off and I should get one of your watches to stick it to the man. Oh, and because it's great value. Not really the vibe you want to be imparting IMHO. And it's a shame, because your watches are genuinely interesting.
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