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The Watch Appreciation Thread (Reviews and Photos of Men's Timepieces by Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, JLC etc...) - Page 1580post #23687 of 483128/3/13 at 12:34pm
Yes, rarely moved by a white gold watch, and the WG Sub is not an exception to that statement. Your photo of one looks a bit better than it does in person. In person it's like a Smurf had sex with a Submariner and that's its ugly offspring. In person the blue is not as attractive, or rich looking as the dark blue that used to be used on yellow gold Subs prior to the ceramic bezel models. For what it costs, I'd simply go with an all steel Sub and still have money left for a something from Patek or AP.
Oh, and for those that are interested in resale value...that watch is rather weak. A friend bought one when they first came out. I told him he was crazy, and just to get one in steel, or a vintage YG model ...or go with a PP or AP. Well 2 years later he tired of it, and took a bath on it. No matter how much he reduced it, no one wanted it. He finally dumped it on a preowned watch shop for a relatively small fraction of what he paid. So thanks but a WG Sub wouldn't interest me at all.post #23688 of 483128/3/13 at 1:18pmQuote:
I have a most excellent and reliable 38mm Sekonda, with negligible service costs, a practical bracelet, and versatile grey/black dial that balances dress and casual most perfectly. It is just over one year old and in fine condition. After much soul-searching, I have decided that yes, I would be prepared to swap it for your IWC Portuguese and liberate you from the eternal tyranny of mechanical watch servicing costs. I will even pay the postage as a charitable act. You may PM me at leisure to make the arrangements. :)Quote:
Next acquisition is an M5 or a Ford Taurus?
I have tried the DJII in person. Although aesthetically classic like its predecessor, the sheer contrived bulkiness makes it an almost comical caricature of its own past. And not in a quirky, "this is how we roll", unashamed Panerai or IWC kind of way. More in a "apparently big watches are in, so just make that one bigger and charge loads more" cynical and tacky kind of way.
Of course, AP are no strangers to bloated, fashion-chasing caricatures of the RO either. But the original remains an iconic beauty in my humble and demonstrably ignorant opinion. As does the Rolex DJ. But AP is just more special. If the two are even within shouting distance price-wise, it really should be no contest.
Get off the fence, Dino, and say what you really think!post #23689 of 483128/3/13 at 2:45pmQuote:Originally Posted by Dino944
Hmmm....sounds like some unnecessary snobbery. I don't want to speak for Frills (without his consent), but I didn't bring up resale with any reference to what you can or can't afford, and I'd be willing to guess neither did Frills.
To suggest people who consider resale value or who trade or sell a watch, do it because they can't afford a watch is a bit silly and unfounded.
If you are really worried about some potential depreciation from a faceplate switch by the factory, then you can't really afford the watch, you shouldn't be that on edge on a luxury purchase.Quote:Personally, I'm rarely moved by watches in WG, so I find the idea of buying a WG watch and paying to get the dial of a SS model a bit silly. Just buy it in steel, and use the additional funds toward something else. The gray dial is what distinguishes the WG model from the steel...so it loses some of its identity. But if it makes you happy and PP is willing to do a parts swap go for it.
I understand where you are going with this - but you may want to ask yourself are you buying the watch for yourself or for validation from other people?post #23690 of 483128/3/13 at 2:54pmpost #23691 of 483128/3/13 at 4:01pmpost #23692 of 483128/3/13 at 4:02pmpost #23693 of 483128/3/13 at 4:04pmQuote:Originally Posted by MarkI
A friend of mine found this amongst her recently deceased mothers possessions, does anyone have any idea as to what timeframe its from, value, etc? Could the diamonds be real? The numbers on the back read 622957A
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people would need a better photo of the dial showingpost #23694 of 483128/3/13 at 4:26pmQuote:
Again - incorrect. I do not know how you come up with leaps of logic like this. I regularly interact with mega-collectors whose watch collections value in the multi-millions - split seconds chronographs, minute repeaters galore: they are among the savviest of collectors and will grill any seller about the piece's service history (proof?), whether it's been polished, whether the piece's specifications match the original paperwork, or if there has been any alteration. They can absolutely afford pretty much any timepiece they want - they know the Stern family personally and interact quite regularly with chief administrators from Patek USA - but every single one of them would be concerned about potential depreciation from a faceplate switch by the factory that wouldn't match the original paperwork.
Now, this could simply be you expressing your own personal values - that's OK. But don't make errors of extrapolation and assuming that other collectors function under the same rules.
Okay - I'm going to get off the fence here and stop hiding behind "what I know of other collectors." This is me:
1. I am not just a Patek fan. I'm an owner.
2. I interact regularly with chief administrators of Patek USA. That's why I tried to share what I knew about dial change policies in previous posts.
3. I am absolutely concerned about anything that might depreciate the value of any timepiece that I purchase, including dial switches by the factory without the option of allowing me to keep the original dial.
4. I can absolutely afford every single one of the pieces I currently own. Like these beauties:
And yeah, those are my slippers.Quote:
Without speaking for Dino (without his consent) - I do not think that's the point of what he was trying to express.post #23695 of 483128/3/13 at 4:44pmpost #23696 of 483128/3/13 at 4:48pmpost #23697 of 483128/3/13 at 4:50pmpost #23698 of 483128/3/13 at 5:01pmQuote:Originally Posted by mimo
I have a most excellent and reliable 38mm Sekonda, with negligible service costs, a practical bracelet, and versatile grey/black dial that balances dress and casual most perfectly. It is just over one year old and in fine condition. After much soul-searching, I have decided that yes, I would be prepared to swap it for your IWC Portuguese and liberate you from the eternal tyranny of mechanical watch servicing costs. I will even pay the postage as a charitable act. You may PM me at leisure to make the arrangements.
i lol'dpost #23699 of 483128/3/13 at 5:53pmI agree with Dino and Frills. When you're fronting that much money for a Patek you better be damned sure your timepiece is solid. Being concerned about anything possibly undermining its value is just good foresight. One of the big draws about Patek is its ability to hold its value let alone increase.post #23700 of 483128/3/13 at 6:04pmQuote:Originally Posted by akatsuki
I figure it would be reasonably straightforward since it is essentially a part for part replacement. As far as resale value, I think it is a bit silly to worry about - either you can afford the watch or you can't. If I can't afford to buy a luxury good outright, I don't buy it.ly.
That's one way to look at it, however even though there are no guarantees there are many who tend to look at it much differently.
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