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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

You should get a day counter that is marked for seven days followed by a bunch of smiley faces.

Ask and ye shall receive...

post #23417 of 48312
Thanks to everyone who suggested some great wedding thank you gifts for my dad. I really appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness.

So I narrowed down my choices and they are at pretty different price points, so I wanted to get folks' thoughts before I make the final call.

1) Tudor Black Bay on a strap for $3300. My cousin would be bringing this from Greece for me and if my dad didn't like it, he would be stuck. I tried it on a year ago and liked it but wasn't in love.

2) IWC Mark XVII on a strap for $4K from our usual AD. Option to return it if he wasn't a fan -- I wouldn't mind if he did as I want him to love it. Late entry, but I always liked this watch. I find the 3 date window interesting and attractive, even though I know it is useless. Ha.

3) And if I wanted to go crazy and splurge and my dad deserves it for everything he has done for me. Either an Rolex Explorer II (white dial) or Milgauss (green crystal) for $7K. He is a Rolex guy and would like them I think. And both are sufficiently idiosyncratic, which I am a fan of.

I am leaning towards the IWC on the strap largely because of the price differential. It also is not like anything else my dad has and he already has a couple Rolexes (the last version of the yachtmaster and a gold and steel submariner). We own a restaurant and it seems like something could take some abuse in the kitchen and the like. That being said the Rolexes are wearing me down.

Sorry for the long winded stream of consciousness post but if you guys have any immediate reactions, would love to hear them. Thanks.
post #23418 of 48312
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post


i think you are asking a lot from a mechanical item. its not the watch makers fault that we have a retarded calendar.

the facts as i see it are two fold.

1. making a mechanical watch to fully account for all the changes in the calendar year and cycle is both difficult and costly. it can be done, but its not cheap. that is pretty much fact as far as i know.

2. a date on a watch is a very useful thing for many people, myself included. many people need to check the date throughout the day, and having it displayed on your wrist is the quickest and easiest way to make sure you have it right.

that being the case, i think that it is more than reasonable for a watch maker to use a date on their watch, so that its wearer can take advantage of that function, and they should do their best to incorporate said date in a way that is as aesthetically pleasing as possible.

if one can afford an AC or better yet a PC, that is great. but most cant, and that should not preclude them from having a date on their watch. a watch maker using a simple date function in this way gives a person the opportunity to have the date at the ready, and not break the bank. if that means that 5 times a year you spend 10 seconds changing the date, i think that really is a small penance. and is in no way bad engineering. its utilitarian and economical engineering imo.

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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

If you want to use a Day Counter as a clumsy proxy for the date, that is OK with me. It is a fine use of the function, as long as you remember to reset it every so often.

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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post


Dopey

Your requirements then exclude 99.999999% of autos with dates. You clearly don't miss the date and that's great. For me, I feel my watches are incomplete without the date, because I'm such a habit whore that I constantly look at my watch for the date. It may be OCD'ish of me, but I can't live without one. I don't mind having to wind the crown a few times to set the date every other month. No more than I would, oh I don't know, mind winding a manual watch every day. But some people swear by manual winds and I get it.

I guess there's always G-shock.
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I know I am an outlier and most people don't share my dislike for simple date indicators. I certainly don't expect to convince anyone, though I know I am right!!! But just in case I wasn't clear - it really bugs me that the simple date function is, BY DESIGN, wrong half the months of the year. I know collectors don't really care since most don't have autowinders running constantly so must constantly reset their watches frequently for reasons other than the only-semi-functional date mechanism. But to my mind, a functional watch should be one which you can set once and forget about. It should not lose or gain a meaningful amount of time and you should be able to ignore it, other than servicing it every x years. If it gains or loses too much time, that is considered either out of spec or else a design flaw and one that the maker tries to improve upon. It would annoy you if you constantly had to fix the time because it was inaccurate. Likewise, it should bother you that the date is inaccurate and especially that it is inaccurate on purpose. To me, this is just bad engineering; if you can't make it work properly, leave it out. But something that is broken on purpose feels like a splinter in my brain. On those watches I have with a date function, I simply never set it and try to pretend it isn't there.

But I know no one else really cares.

It's really just a difference of opinion here, while people appreciate that mechanical watches as one of the most complicated and expensive jewellery a man can wear, it serves an important function of telling the time, and in the discussion here, the date.

The fact our calendar has 30/31/28/29 days, and with 99% of watch date display on a disc, it's physically impossible to engineer a cost effective design that can cater for that, and there are the a lot more expensive annual and perpetual calenders which Stitchy pointed out, and let me point out even perpetual calenders, when a watch is stopped, all indications have to be newly set and if over shoot happens, the owner will have to wait for the movement to stop before resetting again. Would you classify this as bad engineering?

Like the simple display of hours, minutes and seconds, the date is a display of something that is useful to the user. I guess my tolerance of changing the date display 5 times a year is not asking for much, and we all accept that a mechanical watch has its limitations on accuracy and displays, and I find the fact a watch can be 5 min faster or slower after a few months of wear with no adjustment a lot more troublesome than the fact I have change the date.

With the date, it's more of an assurance device to make sure I have the right date and the assurance is always with me when I need it, and I am not always in front of a computer.

If we can all live with all that, we should give the date display some approval. nod[1].gif
Edited by wurger - 7/25/13 at 11:43pm
post #23419 of 48312
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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

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It's really just a difference of opinion here, while people appreciate that mechanical watches as one of the most complicated and expensive jewellery a man can wear, it serves an important function of telling the time, and in the discussion here, the date.

The fact our calendar has 30/31/28/29 days, and with 99% of watch date display on a disc, it's physically impossible to engineer a cost effective design that can cater for that, and there are the a lot more expensive annual and perpetual calenders which Stitchy pointed out, and let me point out even perpetual calenders, when a watch is stopped, all indications have to be newly set and if over shoot happens, the owner will have to wait for the movement to stop before resetting again. Would you classify this as bad engineering?

Like the simple display of hours, minutes and seconds, the date is a display of something that is useful to the user. I guess my tolerance of changing the date display 5 times a year is not asking for much, and we all accept that a mechanical watch has its limitations on accuracy and displays, and I find the fact a watch can be 5 min faster or slower after a few months of wear with no adjustment a lot more troublesome than the fact I have change the date.

With the date, it's more of an assurance device to make sure I have the right date and the assurance is always with me when I need it, and I am not always in front of a computer.

If we can all live with all that, we should the date display some approval. nod[1].gif

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CHRK33 - of those options i like the milgauss.
post #23420 of 48312
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It's really just a difference of opinion here, while people appreciate that mechanical watches as one of the most complicated and expensive jewellery a man can wear, it serves an important function of telling the time, and in the discussion here, the date.

The fact our calendar has 30/31/28/29 days, and with 99% of watch date display on a disc, it's physically impossible to engineer a cost effective design that can cater for that, and there are the a lot more expensive annual and perpetual calenders which Stitchy pointed out, and let me point out even perpetual calenders, when a watch is stopped, all indications have to be newly set and if over shoot happens, the owner will have to wait for the movement to stop before resetting again. Would you classify this as bad engineering?

Like the simple display of hours, minutes and seconds, the date is a display of something that is useful to the user. I guess my tolerance of changing the date display 5 times a year is not asking for much, and we all accept that a mechanical watch has its limitations on accuracy and displays, and I find the fact a watch can be 5 min faster or slower after a few months of wear with no adjustment a lot more troublesome than the fact I have change the date.

With the date, it's more of an assurance device to make sure I have the right date and the assurance is always with me when I need it, and I am not always in front of a computer.

If we can all live with all that, we should give the date display some approval. nod[1].gif

LIKE
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CHRK33 - of those options i like the milgauss.


Cheers Stitchy, but you don't sleep much! Too much time on SF! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #23421 of 48312
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Originally Posted by CHRK33 View Post

Thanks to everyone who suggested some great wedding thank you gifts for my dad. I really appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness.

So I narrowed down my choices and they are at pretty different price points, so I wanted to get folks' thoughts before I make the final call.

1) Tudor Black Bay on a strap for $3300. My cousin would be bringing this from Greece for me and if my dad didn't like it, he would be stuck. I tried it on a year ago and liked it but wasn't in love.

2) IWC Mark XVII on a strap for $4K from our usual AD. Option to return it if he wasn't a fan -- I wouldn't mind if he did as I want him to love it. Late entry, but I always liked this watch. I find the 3 date window interesting and attractive, even though I know it is useless. Ha.

3) And if I wanted to go crazy and splurge and my dad deserves it for everything he has done for me. Either an Rolex Explorer II (white dial) or Milgauss (green crystal) for $7K. He is a Rolex guy and would like them I think. And both are sufficiently idiosyncratic, which I am a fan of.

I am leaning towards the IWC on the strap largely because of the price differential. It also is not like anything else my dad has and he already has a couple Rolexes (the last version of the yachtmaster and a gold and steel submariner). We own a restaurant and it seems like something could take some abuse in the kitchen and the like. That being said the Rolexes are wearing me down.

Sorry for the long winded stream of consciousness post but if you guys have any immediate reactions, would love to hear them. Thanks.

 

 

1) The Black Bay is polarizing - some love the striking colour combinations (me) - others definitely don't dig it at all.  If you don't know where your Dad stands, I'd pass on that one.

 

2) A safe choice and a lovely pilots watch.  I don't find that IWC's ETA / Sellita-powered watches present a compelling value equation (i.e., you can get comparable aesthetics and overall quality for a good deal less elsewhere).  Then again, it's a gift, so value for money isn't likely going to impact how well it is received.

 

3) He's a Rolex man.  He owns several for a reason - he likes the brand and likes the product.  If you can swing it, this would be the way to go.

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Originally Posted by CHRK33 View Post

Thanks to everyone who suggested some great wedding thank you gifts for my dad. I really appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness.

So I narrowed down my choices and they are at pretty different price points, so I wanted to get folks' thoughts before I make the final call.

1) Tudor Black Bay on a strap for $3300. My cousin would be bringing this from Greece for me and if my dad didn't like it, he would be stuck. I tried it on a year ago and liked it but wasn't in love.

2) IWC Mark XVII on a strap for $4K from our usual AD. Option to return it if he wasn't a fan -- I wouldn't mind if he did as I want him to love it. Late entry, but I always liked this watch. I find the 3 date window interesting and attractive, even though I know it is useless. Ha.

3) And if I wanted to go crazy and splurge and my dad deserves it for everything he has done for me. Either an Rolex Explorer II (white dial) or Milgauss (green crystal) for $7K. He is a Rolex guy and would like them I think. And both are sufficiently idiosyncratic, which I am a fan of.

I am leaning towards the IWC on the strap largely because of the price differential. It also is not like anything else my dad has and he already has a couple Rolexes (the last version of the yachtmaster and a gold and steel submariner). We own a restaurant and it seems like something could take some abuse in the kitchen and the like. That being said the Rolexes are wearing me down.

Sorry for the long winded stream of consciousness post but if you guys have any immediate reactions, would love to hear them. Thanks.

 

Milgauss gets my vote!

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The Milgauss gets my vote as well.

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Originally Posted by no frills View Post

 

Have you ever tried putting together a collage of seven pictures?  Not very easy.  But maybe I am not very creative.

 

Aside from the 1967 DJ I posted, here's a "family pic."  

 

 

"Just" seven pieces but boy am I happy and satiated.  I still look around at other pieces but haven't felt that burning urge to just chase one down.  Dino will probably be disappointed but I've held off on getting that double red Sub.  However, I am meeting with my dealer tomorrow as a family member wants me to look at a piece she's interested in getting, and I did ask him to bring that double red Sub/SD again just so I can look at it one more time....... baldy%5B1%5D.gif

 

I would consider the 116520 white dial Daytona to be part of this family - except the missus has co-opted it.  To "get back at her" I started wearing that 36mm blue dial DJ, which was the first piece I bought for her.  Why do l have this sinking feeling that she came out ahead in that exchange, especially since she can take back that DJ anytime she wants anyway........

 

Nice intro and write-up overall.  Really have to try these things before you're able to make any kind of judgment call regarding aesthetics, "general feel," etc.

 

Absolutely agree.

Fabulous, very nice indeed.

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CHRK33    -  I would skip the Tudor.  Nice watch, but not being able to return it if he isn't in love with it would be an issue for me.  Not to mention, I know a few older guys that own Rolex watches, and right or wrong...they look at a Tudor as a half a Rolex.  Not sure if that's how your Dad would feel about it, and I'm sure he would be happy you got him something, but if he is really a Rolex guy this might not be the best choice.  I'd either go with something that is not Rolex related at all or a Rolex.

 

I like the idea of the IWC, whether as Roger suggest there is value in it, using a ETA or Sellita movement is something only you can decide.  However, its a nice gift and stays within your budget, and you never know what unexpected expenses newly weds will encounter.

 

If considering an Explorer 2 or a Milgauss for someone working in a restaurant, I say go for the Milgauss.  The Ex2 can handle the same abuse, but the few guy I know that have owned restaurants really bang the hell out of their watches.  When the Milgauss goes in for service they will be able to easily polish and clean up the entire watch, including the smooth bezel.  The Ex2's engraved and brushed finish bezel, will get a ton of scratches in a kitchen, possibly dinged, and there is nothing that can really be done to fix it short of replacing the actual bezel.  For someone that isn't too rough with their watches an Ex2 would be a fine choice...as an occasional scratch isn't going to matter.  But the stuff that happens in a busy restaurant or kitchen would make me choose the Milgauss.

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Well said Wurger!
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It's really just a difference of opinion here, while people appreciate that mechanical watches as one of the most complicated and expensive jewellery a man can wear, it serves an important function of telling the time, and in the discussion here, the date.

The fact our calendar has 30/31/28/29 days, and with 99% of watch date display on a disc, it's physically impossible to engineer a cost effective design that can cater for that, and there are the a lot more expensive annual and perpetual calenders which Stitchy pointed out, and let me point out even perpetual calenders, when a watch is stopped, all indications have to be newly set and if over shoot happens, the owner will have to wait for the movement to stop before resetting again. Would you classify this as bad engineering?

Like the simple display of hours, minutes and seconds, the date is a display of something that is useful to the user. I guess my tolerance of changing the date display 5 times a year is not asking for much, and we all accept that a mechanical watch has its limitations on accuracy and displays, and I find the fact a watch can be 5 min faster or slower after a few months of wear with no adjustment a lot more troublesome than the fact I have change the date.

With the date, it's more of an assurance device to make sure I have the right date and the assurance is always with me when I need it, and I am not always in front of a computer.

If we can all live with all that, we should give the date display some approval. nod[1].gif


Agree with RP and Dino here. I think the Tudor is nice, but as a Rolex guy especially, there's the threat that Tudor is seen as the bargain Rolex (right or wrong...). Coupled with the fact that it'd be difficult/impossible to return and the risk seems too great here IMO.

The IWC is a handsome watch, and I'm sure would make a wonderful gift. At a VERY generous discount it becomes appealing. As others have said, not the best value..

A Milgauss would be an amazing gift. Make sure it's within your budget (I know it's a gift for dad but still..), and make sure he won't miss the date.. mwink[1].gif
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1) The Black Bay is polarizing - some love the striking colour combinations (me) - others definitely don't dig it at all.  If you don't know where your Dad stands, I'd pass on that one.

2) A safe choice and a lovely pilots watch.  I don't find that IWC's ETA / Sellita-powered watches present a compelling value equation (i.e., you can get comparable aesthetics and overall quality for a good deal less elsewhere).  Then again, it's a gift, so value for money isn't likely going to impact how well it is received.

3) He's a Rolex man.  He owns several for a reason - he likes the brand and likes the product.  If you can swing it, this would be the way to go.

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CHRK33    -  I would skip the Tudor.  Nice watch, but not being able to return it if he isn't in love with it would be an issue for me.  Not to mention, I know a few older guys that own Rolex watches, and right or wrong...they look at a Tudor as a half a Rolex.  Not sure if that's how your Dad would feel about it, and I'm sure he would be happy you got him something, but if he is really a Rolex guy this might not be the best choice.  I'd either go with something that is not Rolex related at all or a Rolex.

I like the idea of the IWC, whether as Roger suggest there is value in it, using a ETA or Sellita movement is something only you can decide.  However, its a nice gift and stays within your budget, and you never know what unexpected expenses newly weds will encounter.

If considering an Explorer 2 or a Milgauss for someone working in a restaurant, I say go for the Milgauss.  The Ex2 can handle the same abuse, but the few guy I know that have owned restaurants really bang the hell out of their watches.  When the Milgauss goes in for service they will be able to easily polish and clean up the entire watch, including the smooth bezel.  The Ex2's engraved and brushed finish bezel, will get a ton of scratches in a kitchen, possibly dinged, and there is nothing that can really be done to fix it short of replacing the actual bezel.  For someone that isn't too rough with their watches an Ex2 would be a fine choice...as an occasional scratch isn't going to matter.  But the stuff that happens in a busy restaurant or kitchen would make me choose the Milgauss.
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CHRK33

While the politically correct thing to say is that the thought matters the most.

But knowing your Dad is a Rolex person, for a very good reason I also suspect, would the Tutor or IWC get much wrist time?

What I am trying to say, and of course if budget allows, would the reason for your dad to wear the watch:

1. wears the watch because his caring son got it for him

2. loves the watch and also his caring son got it for him
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Wearing this one today.

700

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^^^Very nice. Love the splash of colour.
post #23430 of 48312
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It's really just a difference of opinion here, while people appreciate that mechanical watches as one of the most complicated and expensive jewellery a man can wear, it serves an important function of telling the time, and in the discussion here, the date.

The fact our calendar has 30/31/28/29 days, and with 99% of watch date display on a disc, it's physically impossible to engineer a cost effective design that can cater for that, and there are the a lot more expensive annual and perpetual calenders which Stitchy pointed out, and let me point out even perpetual calenders, when a watch is stopped, all indications have to be newly set and if over shoot happens, the owner will have to wait for the movement to stop before resetting again. Would you classify this as bad engineering?

Like the simple display of hours, minutes and seconds, the date is a display of something that is useful to the user. I guess my tolerance of changing the date display 5 times a year is not asking for much, and we all accept that a mechanical watch has its limitations on accuracy and displays, and I find the fact a watch can be 5 min faster or slower after a few months of wear with no adjustment a lot more troublesome than the fact I have change the date.

With the date, it's more of an assurance device to make sure I have the right date and the assurance is always with me when I need it, and I am not always in front of a computer.

If we can all live with all that, we should give the date display some approval. nod[1].gif
Of course. I agree that this is just a matter of opinion and we have different values so different things bother us in different ways. I am certainly not suggesting that you stop using the day counter as a proxy for a date function if that is useful to you. I just don't like the idea that a wheel that can only keep blindly counting to 31 is considered a date function when the actual function would require it to variably count to 28, 30 and 31 in normal usage. To me, it is a kind of a cheap engineering patch for a problem that is more complicated. Others could see it as a simple, cost-efficient, elegant solution that get the job done most of the time in a way that is simple for users to correct. That is fine with me. I just wanted to explain why it bugs me and I don't want them on my watches if I can avoid it. But it's not like I want them banned or think others should avoid them.

Now, it is true that I would like to see them called day counters, since that is what they are, rather than date functions, which they really aren't. But I don't expect that will happen.
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