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What do you guys think of this watch (Omega Chronostop)? I think I prefer the Dynamic

 

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^^ It's interesting, but I'm not sure it's fundamentally attractive.  It's more appealing for it's novelty that its looks, to me anyway.

 

Re. RL67: $3k my fat white arse.

 

- used IWC as suggested

- genuine WWII pilot watch from any number of makers

- Sinn

- Nomos

- two Stowas!

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

^^ It's interesting, but I'm not sure it's fundamentally attractive.  It's more appealing for it's novelty that its looks, to me anyway.

 

Re. RL67: $3k my fat white arse.

 

- used IWC as suggested

- genuine WWII pilot watch from any number of makers

- Sinn

- Nomos

- two Stowas!

Thanks mimo, I agree

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Anybody else really love the new RL67 chronometer? At $3k I almost pulled the trigger yesterday. It's 44.5mm but wears easy. Big numbers are easy to read, but no lumes, which surprised me a little. Richemont movement, and the aged steel just looks awesome on a military watch.

Maybe this could be another alternative, there sizing is similar, a well known brand and cheaper, don't ask about there box case.

 

 

Bell&Ross 123 PVD coated black case 

 

Carbon version:

 

 

 

Or the Phantom version:

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Originally Posted by rnguy001 View Post

RogerP

Very good point. And I definitely feel brittleness is a weakness in the ceramic technology. Yet most owners who own them I'd venture have NOT shattered their watches. However, when one does occasionally shatter, it's such a horrible end result that we all remember it.

I'd also bet these aren't trivial impacts either. The one PAM owner who shattered his ceramic Radiomir admits he was (duh) toying with the tang buckle, when it dropped on the floor.

True, metal would probably just ding, but in all honesty I'm sure these ceramic watches would hold up well to most everyday usage. Bar any fall onto a hard surfaces or sudden forceful impact onto something hard, I'd bet most of us here on the forum who have some semblance of how to treat a watch would be fine.

True, a lot of them are advertised as sports watches, and hopefully most by now understand they have their limitations. But it's definitely not for everyone. Shock-junkies should probably look somewhere else.

Treat it as well as any watch you cherish, and you'd be just fine.

Treat it like a g-shock? Nope. It's no beater for sure.

just my opinion. Personally I'm a fan. Admittedly I don't own one yet, but I do foresee one in the future. Unless my Deepsea hankering gets the best of me this time.

Agreed with all of that. Have you seen the new Omega DSOM - ceramic version of our Speedy 9300?

My cautionary approach to ceramic is caused in large part by my experience as a custom knife collector and maker. Ceramic blades have seen increased popularity of late. They don't scratch, don't rust and stay sharp just this side of forever. All sunshine and rainbows until, you drop one and have it shatter. Or get it stuck in bone or cartilage while dressing out a deer, try to wiggle it free and have it snap like a toothpick. Properly heat-treated steel is virtually indestructible by comparison.
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double tap
Edited by RogerP - 6/11/13 at 6:03am
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Devoti,

 

Bro, you post too many pics of too many watches for too little reason in too short a time with too little comment.  And posting Bell & Ross is a sin by itself, because that product is definitively and empirically the preserve of wankers. 

 

But apart from that, I like you. Keep 'em coming.  Just...slow down.  :)

 

P.S.  On a more positive note, after reading the last twenty pages or more of this thread, making a suggestion like "hey, why not buy a ceramic Bell & Ross?", certainly takes some nuts.  lol8[1].gif

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There are a couple of threads in another watch-related forum discussing the merits (or lack of it) of Patek Philippe cufflinks.  Now, I am a big Patek Philippe fan - for their watches.  I cannot see myself spending $4,000 to $5,000 on a pair of PP-crafted cufflinks.  Just can't.  Can I distinguish much better craftsmanship in PP cufflinks versus others made in similar precious metals?  No, really hard for me to say.  Same reasoning above re: paying a premium for a timepiece that does not seem to be substantially different from cheaper ones.

 

Now, I may just be ignorant about the true merits of Patek Philippe cufflinks.  If so, I am always open to learning new things.

 

I mean, I really have no say in the matter if you want to spend your hard-earned money for a pair of diamond-encrusted Nautilus cufflinks that compliment your 5712, like in the picture below (from PuristSPro).......

 

 

But, it's just not for me.

 

These $125 cufflinks actually fascinate me a bit more, especially since the movement actually works (I believe), if you wind the "crown":

 

 

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Hi Frills, with the exception of their diamond versions of cufflinks, when one considers the price of gold and then compares it with the price of gold cufflinks from Cartier, Chopard, Piaget and a few other well known companies, they really in the same ball park.  Places like Cellini have trays of some private label cufflinks, but with the price of gold being what it is, some of theirs are not that much less than cufflinks from better known companies.  

 

I have seen the watch movement cufflinks in person.  You can even find them with real vintage movements from Hamilton and Gruen.  However, there is a big difference in the construction (not just matterial, say gold versus non-gold).  Go in an look at a set of Patek Calatrava gold links, and look at its post and the flexible swiveling section.  The ones pictured above are very flimsy.  I picked up a set of sterling silver ones in college with the same back and posts, the the swivel mechanism wears out quickly and just spins.  Also, on ones from say Cartier or Chopard, they have much more finished backs, sometimes even a smaller but matching back to the cufflinks.  They cost more, but are built to last.  I can understand if its not your thing, and sure 4-5K is nothing to sneeze at but if you really compared a bunch of cufflinks from Cartier, Chopard, Patek, etc... with novelty cufflinks you will notice some big differences in construction.

 

Below are a few pix of some Cartier links I have.  These are quite useful as they are white, yellow and rose gold and  I can change the colors of the bars (which are semi precious stones).

 

 

Interchangeable bars for these links.

 

 

Another set with matching backs

 

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That sort of cross branding is a sure sign of loss of focus.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.  Many watch companies make cufflinks to go with their watches.  Not sure I see it as any different than Patek, VC, etc making deployant buckles with their insignias, rather than plain tang buckles to enhance the appearance of the watch or to give a more complete look.  Matching cufflinks is hardly any more of a diversion of effort or focus.

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i quite like the PP, AP and breguet cufflinks, i have seen.

id have to be balling pretty hard to get them, but if i was, i would.

+1 

 

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P.S.  On a more positive note, after reading the last twenty pages or more of this thread, making a suggestion like "hey, why not buy a ceramic Bell & Ross?", certainly takes some nuts.

You know, normally I would agree about a suggestion regarding B&R being a little nuts. But I saw this one of the 'dink the other day and honestly, it is a pretty good amount of watch for the price.

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-on-with-the-bell-ross-br-123-sport-heritage-live-pics-pricing



Don't get me wrong, it is a bit of a hodgepodge of design. But it is a fair price, it is a great size (41mm), it is slim, and it certainly appeals to a certain aesthetic.
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Somewhat off-topic to help recover from that smashed piece that Belligero just posted.  Here's "Arnold Schwarzenegger driving" - haha:




P.S.  I believe he is wearing a Rolex.  So this is not completely off-topic for TWAT.

P.P.S.  This is completely off-topic, but...Happy 21st birthday today to Kate Upton!  I love how blue her eyes are in this picture.


she has eyes?
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My cautionary approach to ceramic is caused in large part by my experience as a custom knife collector and maker. Ceramic blades have seen increased popularity of late. They don't scratch, don't rust and stay sharp just this side of forever. All sunshine and rainbows until, you drop one and have it shatter. Or get it stuck in bone or cartilage while dressing out a deer, try to wiggle it free and have it snap like a toothpick. Properly heat-treated steel is virtually indestructible by comparison.
As you know from experience, steel is far, far tougher than ceramic in the technical meaning of the word. Engineering ceramics are extremely hard so they're essentially immune to scratches and scuffs, but they don't handle impact loads nearly as well as steel does. It's all or nothing; if something other than a diamond hits it, it's either unscathed or it shatters.

Though softer, steel can dissipate much more total energy than a hard/brittle material before it breaks. That second Doppelchrono with the lug broken off was said to have been "whacked against the bar in a pub...not that hard". At a different impact angle, it may well have been fine, but if a certain stress level is exceeded, it's toast. You can mitigate this brittleness to a certain extent by making the contours smooth/radiused to distribute stress risers, as simply copying an existing sharp-cornered case design in ceramic is far from optimal. But even with fairly smooth transitions, ceramic will still break much more easily than metal:


(said to have been dropped from 3 feet, resulting in an $8700 repair estimate)

For me, the triple date window, the 7750-movement-containing 44mm case, and the other watches that can be had for its price are reason enough to avoid the 3786, let alone its smashability. But that's just my opinion; I could be wrong. (And at least it doesn't say "TOP GUN" on the back and left side like the 46mm model.)
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Not bad at all. B&R gets a bad rap for a lot of reasons but this is a nice watch and as you said for a reasonable price. From an aesthetic standpoint, I think it's quite cool.
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You know, normally I would agree about a suggestion regarding B&R being a little nuts. But I saw this one of the 'dink the other day and honestly, it is a pretty good amount of watch for the price.

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-on-with-the-bell-ross-br-123-sport-heritage-live-pics-pricing



Don't get me wrong, it is a bit of a hodgepodge of design. But it is a fair price, it is a great size (41mm), it is slim, and it certainly appeals to a certain aesthetic.


RogerP - sometimes I feel you don't know me at all biggrin.gif
Seriously it was my favorite piece of Basel. Already called my AD to inquire. My wife thinks I'm crazy since I have the 9300 already. I'll have to see it firsthand I think.

Well if I'm honest, after reading these posts I have actually started to worry about the merits vs. risks of ceramic a bit more. Damn this forum. Next thing you know I might actually prefer sub-40 mm hand wounds! wink.gif


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Agreed with all of that. Have you seen the new Omega DSOM - ceramic version of our Speedy 9300?

My cautionary approach to ceramic is caused in large part by my experience as a custom knife collector and maker. Ceramic blades have seen increased popularity of late. They don't scratch, don't rust and stay sharp just this side of forever. All sunshine and rainbows until, you drop one and have it shatter. Or get it stuck in bone or cartilage while dressing out a deer, try to wiggle it free and have it snap like a toothpick. Properly heat-treated steel is virtually indestructible by comparison.
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RogerP - sometimes I feel you don't know me at all biggrin.gif
Seriously it was my favorite piece of Basel. Already called my AD to inquire. My wife thinks I'm crazy since I have the 9300 already. I'll have to see it firsthand I think.

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I am hoping the OE DSOM strap isn't outrageously priced - I would love to add that to spiff up my Speedy.
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You know, normally I would agree about a suggestion regarding B&R being a little nuts. But I saw this one of the 'dink the other day and honestly, it is a pretty good amount of watch for the price.

Don't get me wrong, it is a bit of a hodgepodge of design. But it is a fair price, it is a great size (41mm), it is slim, and it certainly appeals to a certain aesthetic.

 

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Not bad at all. B&R gets a bad rap for a lot of reasons but this is a nice watch and as you said for a reasonable price. From an aesthetic standpoint, I think it's quite cool.
 

 

I confess I was just being a bit of dick because I was bored.  But I do think it's a hideous minger of a design with randomness and glitter inserted as incompetent substitutes for style and coherence. :)

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Me too, though I think the buckle might be .. wait for it... CERAMIC..
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I am hoping the OE DSOM strap isn't outrageously priced - I would love to add that to spiff up my Speedy.
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