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post #21631 of 48312
Can I play too?

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And the original correct 10-sided crown, which I am still trying to find someone to replace the gasket within for me...


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Originally Posted by Devoti View Post

My favorite watch: Omega pie-pan Constellation, inherited from my father





I am sorry, but there are a few things off with your watch. You may or may not be aware of this.

I understand that this is a heirloom and hence there will be a degree of personal sensitivity around it - so I have placed my comments below in "spoilers".

These comments may be helpful at the very least to those who are interested in dipping their toes into the world of vintage Omega Constellation Pie Pans, also known as Connies to the (what else) Connie-seurs, heh.

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There was a "shallow pan" variation of the pie pan (case ref 2652), but yours looks off for a few reasons.

The dial printing fails MOY. Google "Constellation MOY" if you don't know what this means.

The hash marks look a little strange, can't put my finger on why but my gut tells me they are too long/bold.

The lume has been added/redone, clearly.

Constellation font looks off.

The crosshair is off centre - look at its alignment to the bold hashes at 3 and 6 o'clock.

The crown is more associated with Seamasters, though I think there were a few Constellations with it. Not your model though.

No "Swiss Made" on dial.

Edited by apropos - 6/7/13 at 5:32am
post #21632 of 48312
...and in other news, the new (manufacture) Cartier Tank MCs fail to blitzkrieg their way into my feelings... Meh. frown.gif

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/sneak-peek-a-very-early-look-at-the-cartier-tank-mc-the-new-tank-with-manfacture-movement



Disproportionate seconds subdial! Date!

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post #21633 of 48312
^^ cute watch
post #21634 of 48312
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have you tried threatening him with bodily harm?

 

He is 6 foot 4, an expert shot with handgun, shotgun and rifle, and makes knives for a living. So.... no. :-) apropos, that constellation is stunnig. Nice vintage pieces all around, guys.
post #21635 of 48312
Devoti, are those all your watches? Just curious!
post #21636 of 48312
Apropos: gorgeous constellation! I need to pick me up one of those one day. Kind of terrified to wade into the vintage omega waters though...

And that tank looks like a mess. Cartier has made tanks for around 95 years. How is it possible that they have forgot how to make them? I can deal with date at six and sweep seconds on the dial, a la the tank solo, as it really does not destroy the integrity of the dial (although I would prefer just hours and minutes). I can also deal with automatic rather than manual, though that is close to a deal breaker. At least on the solo the case back is solid. But on a new, in house watch, why would you screw with every element that made the watch great. The curvature of the case makes it look more like a gp 1945, the circular automatic movement looks silly, the watch is much thicker and much larger, the dial is a cluttered mess.
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Personally, I prefer hand dates with a moonphase.

I will say though, to me, I use my watch as much to check the time as I do to check the date.

I think you may have missed that I qualified my statement and I was speaking of dress watches.  I don't wear my dress watches to work very often, so the date function isn't a big deal (not to mention I still have my computer, cell, and calendar).  

 

To be honest, if I wear my Daytona for a day or so I quickly stopping looking for the date on my watch.  Then if I go back to wearing a watch with a date, I don't think to look on the watch for a date.  A date is fine on a variety sportier watches.  

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A big problem with the XV for me is the bracelet, the XII beads of rice version is so much more comfortable and imho better looking than the XV bracelet.

The bracelet on the XII is really nice and comfortable, but my favorite IWC bracelets are the old bracelets with pyramid shaped links used on the old 3706 and 3713.  

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Rolex Milsub

 

My favorite version of a military watch.  Although in this photo it looks like someone went a bit crazy polishing the lugs. 

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

...and in other news, the new (manufacture) Cartier Tank MCs fail to blitzkrieg their way into my feelings... Meh. frown.gif

http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/sneak-peek-a-very-early-look-at-the-cartier-tank-mc-the-new-tank-with-manfacture-movement



Disproportionate seconds subdial! Date!

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Kind of sad.  That's what happens when you try to make one movement fit everything. The watch had potential, but the seconds subdial eats up too much of the dial.  The Calibre isn't my favorite Cartier, but somehow that look of the subdial eating the bottom have of the dial works better on the Calibre.  They should have nixed the subdial for seconds on this watch, or develop a variation with a center seconds hand.  At some point I'd love to see a Santos Galbee with with an inhouse movement but not if the bottom have of the dial will be eaten by the seconds subdial. 

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Originally Posted by Newcomer View Post

And that tank looks like a mess. Cartier has made tanks for around 95 years. How is it possible that they have forgot how to make them? I can deal with date at six and sweep seconds on the dial, a la the tank solo, as it really does not destroy the integrity of the dial (although I would prefer just hours and minutes). I can also deal with automatic rather than manual, though that is close to a deal breaker. At least on the solo the case back is solid. But on a new, in house watch, why would you screw with every element that made the watch great. The curvature of the case makes it look more like a gp 1945, the circular automatic movement looks silly, the watch is much thicker and much larger, the dial is a cluttered mess.

 

The date window alone would not have been a plus for me, but the date window and sub dial create too much clutter on this dial.  Its as though they moved away from what made the Tank famous.  Its simplicity and not having lots of extraneous other functions is what makes their classic Tanks so attractive, at least to me.  

 

As for the curved case, its actually a very Cartier look.  It's something that Cartier has done for many years with their Tank Cintree and Tank Americaine.  

 

This is Cartier trying to use the movement from the Calibre in all of their watches.  They need another in house movement for their reasonably priced watches, that doesn't have the bizarre giant subdial, and either has no seconds hand or has one centrally mounted.  Also, if you are sticking a round movement in a rectangular watch, just give it a solid back (like PP and VC do).  This watch is an example of why I don't care for round movements in rectangular or square watches.  

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He is 6 foot 4, an expert shot with handgun, shotgun and rifle, and makes knives for a living. So.... no. :-)

blackmail?

i am really mad because i can a cross many of those old omegas years ago and we had them for next to nothing. i should have kopped. frown.gif
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My IWC Mark XII pilot 


Very nice.
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Serious question - why does IWC keep rolling out new pilot's watches? It is hard to see how the new designs improve the old ones and in some cases, you have a real decline (the new one is awful). Do people collect them and thus each new model generates additional sales? Or do they just like giving a new "Mark" to incremental changes and updates? For me, the highpoint was the XV on a bracelet, but the XII on a bracelet is also great.

IMO the newer models have no business calling themselves 'Mark' anything. The Mk 11, based on the 6B/346 designation from The Air Ministry (later the Ministry of Defence), was the origin of the design, and at the time produced by both IWC and JLC. IWC's Mark XII and XV kept a similar design, apart from the addition of a date.

From the Mark XVI forward they've cut any ties to the original design, making them closer to the older styled Beobachtungsuhr (originally made for Luftwaffe by A. Lange & Söhne, Laco, Stowa, Wempe and yes, IWC). A design IWC already had in their line-up in the Big Pilot. It's sad that they couldn't see the room for both types of pilot watches in their catalogue, IMO.
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Thanks and I agree, my Mark XII is so timeless, I keep looking at other pilot watches and for me my Mark XII seems to be the default. The only thing I want from it is about 2mm of more diameter which they did with the Mark XV. I'm not a fan of the newer models especially the recents versions, except maybe the XV.

I like the larger size of my Mk XV but I would prefer the longer and slimmer 5 minute markers on the Mk XII.
post #21641 of 48312
Apropos: I have a pie pan Connie that is marked Automatic Chronometer, but not "Officially Certified" (it passes MO, but not MOY). Everything else about it makes it seem real, including the numerals and markers, the Omega and symbol applications and the patination. Do you think it must be a redial or could it be an original dial?
post #21642 of 48312
That is kosher, a known (less common!) variation.

You have correctly pointed out they pass MO as well. smile.gif
post #21643 of 48312
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Oh yes, I caught that! I was just trying to say that if I do have a date on my dress watch, I vastly prefer it to be a pointer date. But I definitely understand not having a date at all, it makes the dial look much, much cleaner. My posts have been fairly terrible lately, my laptop decided to die on me, so I have been relegated to posting on my darn iPad.

And for me, I almost exclusively wear my dress watches to work. And I like to have the date handy just to keep track of certain legal related dates. I would say that I check the date on my watches at least a dozen times per day. In contrast, I have no problem with not having a date on my sportier pieces.
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I completely agree with this. Something about the stark Tank dial is just gorgeous. The large roman numerals are more than sufficient to make the dial interesting. That is interesting regarding the curved case. I guess, to be honest, I really prefer a 'flatter' case with square or rectangular watches, a la the Reverso or the Tank, or your VC for that matter. But then again, I am kind of still warming up to the whole rectangular case thing.

I think you are spot on regarding the incorporation of one movement into the various ranges. What I don't get is why they have not modified that movement... at all. Heck, I think the watch would have looked better if they just covered the date function. I am not too familiar with the technicalities, but I doubt it would be very difficult to convert the subsidiary seconds to centrally mounted seconds.

Now, with all of this said... the new in-house caliber is very reasonably priced, which I really appreciate. $6,000 for a SS watch with a manufacture movement from Cartier, one of the most prestigious companies in the world? Not too shabby. I cannot help but feel that they could charge more, considering their placement in the market. Sure, the watch is not the best, but they are going in the right direction.
post #21644 of 48312
KS41 - scuse my rattie shirt.

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^^  I like this (although it does look kind of big for your shirt cuff).  Simple, blue hands, small seconds...all things that make me feel warm inside.

 

Re. Connie talk: I love it when you knowledgeable dudes talk about shit I don't understand.  Makes me feel I'm getting educated instead of just fantasising about expensive stuff I'm not going to buy. :)

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