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post #21436 of 48312

Does this mean that when the Ed Hardy brands a watch line, that you will buy one?

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Originally Posted by Hayward View Post

Does this mean that when the Ed Hardy brands a watch line, that you will buy one?

No, that's a false dichotomy - an acknowledgement of why some watches have a simpler/broader appeal than others is not the same as saying all watches are equally attractive or even attractive. Introducing some more reference points is not the same as relativism. smile.gif
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I used to think that certain brands = douche brands and avoid accordingly, but over time I've come around to a different view, which succinctly expressed is: there are no douche watches, only douches who wear them. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Yes, certain brands hold more appeal for douches than others - e.g. IWC, Rolex, PAM - but this is part a function of their simplicity in accessibility both in terms of price, design, and marketing ethos, as opposed to some inherent brand douchiness. As opposed to a lime green Shelby Mustang it's probably one in red - tons of appeal, perhaps a less sophisticated audience on a whole, but undoubtedly much much more fun and drive-able than a delicate European make, which while more rare and beautiful, you consciously treat with more care/respect, and perhaps constantly repair (as one of my bosses is finding to his unending grief).

Feel free to substitute your own analogy as you see fit depending on your own proclivities - NASCAR vs Formula 1, draft IPA vs a fine Pinot, fun/flirty Californian girl-next-door vs Art History French exchange student girl, BBQ ribs vs filet mignon... this pattern repeats itself over and over again in life, and to bring it back to watches it's a lot easier to connect with some vague idea of general outsdoorsy sportiness and celeb appeal (Rolex today - not Rolex of yesterday) than polo playing specifically (Reverso). And like the descending limb of any bell curve, there are numerically less douches (perhaps not proportionally, heh) the higher up the disposable income brackets you go, so you're less likely to find a PP sporting douche than a Rolex sporting one, just as you're less likely to find a PP sporting regular guy than a Rolex sporting one.

Of course there are some amongst us who start with PP, and then move on to more esoteric big $$$ choices - more power to them (and my unending envy!) but these people are few and far between.

I still think you can tell a bit about a man's priorities based on his watch choice - e.g. the Master Ultra Thin perpetual calendar wearer vs the Leopard print Daytona wearer, the incredibly rich guy wearing a Casio, the poor guy wearing a fake Rolex - but I think the association is a lot looser than it used to be and is always superseded by his choice of dress, behaviour, speech, etc.

Anyway... Now I'm off to find a fun/flirty girl next door, and bring her out for some BBQ ribs and cold draft IPA. Who's with me? smile.gif

I would tend to agree, but then I remembered all Hublot's themed watched (Bayern Munich, Man U, Maradonna etc. etc.), which I personally find idiotic and douchy, but what do I know I'm european and around here a fun/flirty Californian girl-next-door is more exotic than a french art student.
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

there are no douche watches, only douches who wear them.

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Originally Posted by apropos View Post



I used to think that certain brands = douche brands and avoid accordingly, but over time I've come around to a different view, which succinctly expressed is: there are no douche watches, only douches who wear them.

Yes, certain brands hold more appeal for douches than others - e.g. IWC, Rolex, PAM - but this is part a function of their simplicity in accessibility both in terms of price, design, and marketing ethos, as opposed to some inherent brand douchiness. As opposed to a lime green Shelby Mustang it's probably one in red - tons of appeal, perhaps a less sophisticated audience on a whole, but undoubtedly much much more fun and drive-able than a delicate European make, which while more rare and beautiful, you consciously treat with more care/respect, and perhaps constantly repair (as one of my bosses is finding to his unending grief).

Feel free to substitute your own analogy as you see fit depending on your own proclivities - NASCAR vs Formula 1, draft IPA vs a fine Pinot, fun/flirty Californian girl-next-door vs Art History French exchange student girl, BBQ ribs vs filet mignon... this pattern repeats itself over and over again in life, and to bring it back to watches it's a lot easier to connect with some vague idea of general outsdoorsy sportiness and celeb appeal (Rolex today - not Rolex of yesterday) than polo playing specifically (Reverso). And like the descending limb of any bell curve, there are numerically less douches (perhaps not proportionally, heh) the higher up the disposable income brackets you go, so you're less likely to find a PP sporting douche than a Rolex sporting one, just as you're less likely to find a PP sporting regular guy than a Rolex sporting one.

Of course there are some amongst us who start with PP, and then move on to more esoteric big $$$ choices - more power to them (and my unending envy!) but these people are few and far between.

I still think you can tell a bit about a man's priorities based on his watch choice - e.g. the Master Ultra Thin perpetual calendar wearer vs the Leopard print Daytona wearer, the incredibly rich guy wearing a Casio, the poor guy wearing a fake Rolex - but I think the association is a lot looser than it used to be and is always superseded by his choice of dress, behaviour, speech, etc.

Anyway... Now I'm off to find a fun/flirty girl next door, and bring her out for some BBQ ribs and cold draft IPA. Who's with me? smile.gif

 

I'm with you - all the way.  Excellent post.

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people get so used to the larger size that they can't go back

 

I have had a similar experience in my personal life. (cf. Beyonce post a few pages back, although not actually with Beyonce...)

 

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Going independent would be a good guess.

 

Or starting an independent?  How 'bout it Frilly?  :D

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I have had a similar experience in my personal life

Personally, I like my, erm, watches both thick and thin, wide lug to lug and short lug to lug. Nondiscriminatory, I am.
post #21443 of 48312

I hear you, but when it comes to investing heavily in just one special one...I insist on certain proportions* . :)

 

 

 

*(and dial colour)

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One has to wondering what out-growing Patek and Lange might entail.


For me, it looks like this:



http://www.rgmwatches.com/collections/American%20Made/CA20.php
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Interestingly, I know someone who outgrew Panerai.  He used to have thirty-two Panerai watches, but said he'd grow listless wearing one of them that he'd switch out twice or thrice a day.  Sold them all off and now has two Pateks and two Langes as part of his weekly rotation.  He says "less is more."  Acquisition and disposition schedule probably helped along by the fact that he buys and sells watches for a living.

 

Who knows, perhaps he will outgrow his current stable too.  All part of personal evolution, I suppose.

I've had friends who have sold off big collections (Panerai and VC), and each went on to build smaller but more focused collections.  The Panerai guy went on to buy VC and Langes, while the VC guy bought a tourbillon from an indy and a few high end VCs.  Each seems happier with their smaller collections, as they now really wear all of their watches a lot.  

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I only have 1 and I never wear it anymore - and it's not like I have a lot of other watches. Interestingly, a guy I know in the watch selling biz told me that in his experience many people get so used to the larger size that they can't go back to their smaller watches, warning me that if I got a PAM I might lose interest in my sub.

But to the contrary, a year after geting a Luminor, I got a Mk XV (not only smaller than the PAM, but smaller than the sub too) and I now prefer both of these 'smaller' watches.

[SPAM] While I haven't made any effort to sell it as I still enjoy the look of it, if anyone in Copenhagen is interested in a PAM 177, feel free to drop me a PM. [/SPAM]

I hear a lot of PAM owners have trouble wearing anything under 44mm after owning one.  However, a good friend of mine bought a Panerai several years ago, and has since decided he prefers more average sized watches.  

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As for your haikus... let me share something I've come to realise over the last few months.

I know that I've been less than complementary towards PAM in the past (scathing, actually), so this is going to sound weird - but I think I'm actually starting to get the whole PAM thing.

I was at a friend's place recently, shooting the shit with his dad. This man is a watch collector, with a few rare birds in his collection (anyone here know what a PP "hourglass" is?) and was fortunate to have been most active in collecting when things were still affordable - from the 70s to the early 90s. Bottom line is that he has a very nice watch collection. Anyway, this man's daily beater is, of all things, a PAM - a Radiomir 8 day power reserve to be exact. I was genuinely puzzled. Here was a guy who had all sorts of amazing watches, was able to literally choose from a tray of PPs, and he chooses for his daily wearer... a PAM? So I asked him about it.

He didn't say a word. Instead he took his watch off, and handed it to me. I strapped it on, looked down, and broke into a grin. A big grin. At that moment I realised that PAMs are the watch equivalent of a big juicy burger which just hits the spot and satisfies. Sure I wouldn't mind a gourmet cooked meal, made with finesse and care. But you know what? I couldn't eat that stuff every single day for every single meal. Some people can, more power to them. But sometimes I really do feel like a burger. Not a frou frou burger with an A5 wagyu patty, foie gras and gold leaf, but a honest to goodness burger with the works - 2 slabs of tasty mince, bacon, fried onions, a fried egg, lettuce, slabs of tomato, etc.

So like a burger, their appeal lies in their accessibility. This in turn explains a great deal of their success. There are douches all around us, and God knows lots of these douches choose to wear watches. God knows lots of these douches sport PAMs. But am I going to let the fact that the douche wears a PAM prevent me from recognising their appeal? Wearing one? Hell no. I'm going to wear what I like.

Hmm, I'm hungry now. Off to get a burger...

 

Entertaining story, however I find it pretty common for people with high end watches to wear a sporty, less expensive watch such as an IWC, Rolex or PAM for daily wear.  As for burgers (or any other food), you would be tired of them if you had to eat them every day for every meal.  There is something to be said for variety with any thing, whether its food, watches, cars, or even friends. Friends who collect often say, "Watch X is their grail and when they get it, they are not buying any more watches."  However, very few follow through with that statement...they like having choices and variety (and watch collecting is a tough addiction to break). 

 

I've tried on several PAMs over the years.  I really like the case shape, as its a nice change from the sea of round sports watches on the market.   However, I've never fallen in love with one enough to make me pull the trigger.  By the time I consider their cost I almost always find something I'd rather own for the same money.  I've looked at them, tried them on numerous times, researched them, etc, so I think I get it, but I also get that its just not for me. 

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Kai,

 

Interesting as it is, at the end of the day that's still a production model, and not that crazy a price (especially for you big shots).  I think the interesting bit, if we take Mr Murphy as the example, is when you start coming up with your own ideas and specs.  Bespoke is where it's at!  Today RGM, tomorrow VC...?

 

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No Limited Edition or Antique step in between?
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One has to wondering what out-growing Patek and Lange might entail.

That seems like it would take something really amazing...although I have to admit I really like Kai's choice of RGM as a response to your question.  

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For me, it looks like this:



http://www.rgmwatches.com/collections/American%20Made/CA20.php

That's stunning!

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Kai,

 

Interesting as it is, at the end of the day that's still a production model, and not that crazy a price (especially for you big shots).  I think the interesting bit, if we take Mr Murphy as the example, is when you start coming up with your own ideas and specs.  Bespoke is where it's at!  Today RGM, tomorrow VC...?

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

If one is going to outgrow Patek and Lange, perhaps it is for a one of one bespoke watch.  VC offers everything from simply working with you to make a customized version of a current production model to something that starts from scratch, with your limits being merely your bank account. 

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kai - do you see an RGM in your future?
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 VC offers everything from simply working with you to make a customized version of a current production model to something that starts from scratch, with your limits being merely your bank account. 

So what if my bank account already precludes me from 90% of the VC production catalog? Do they answer the phone?
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