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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

Come on man, you know this isn't even close to true.
Yeah, I know it's mind boggling. Don't worry, not long till you're ordering 200 euro custom watch straps and thinking to yourself - what a bargain! It's all downhill from here on, heh. devil.gif

I know. I assumed it was an obvious exaggeration.

and referring to straps...its a VERY slippery slope. I remember adding up the 20-30 straps i had in a box for my panerais and realizing i could EASILY sell them all and fund a whole watch. shog[1].gif
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ffffuuuu.gif you're probably right... I am looking at a custom option for my H. Moser & Cie as we speak. No luck finding someone who can make/find me an open end genuine tan/honey gator strap.

ABP Paris!
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Why not Camille Fournet? Do not have the variety of ABP, but I heard the quality is a little better.
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ABP Paris!

Nice - thanks.

What is the order to delivery time?
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

Don't the manufacturers themselves charge a lot more than 200 euro for an alligator strap? It's been years, but the last one I got from IWC was something like $400. Ludicrous. I'm using an ABP one now. Half the price, but probably about half the quality, too.

JLC uses Camille Fournet and charges a nearly 100% markup for the exact same strap from CF. I hate it when watch companies do stupid things like that.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

ffffuuuu.gif you're probably right... I am looking at a custom option for my H. Moser & Cie as we speak. No luck finding someone who can make/find me an open end genuine tan/honey gator strap.
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

ABP Paris!

Speak of the devil, just ordered something from them. Feel a little... numb now at dropping that much $$ on a piece of leather.
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Why not Camille Fournet? Do not have the variety of ABP, but I heard the quality is a little better.

Less flexible customisation options. Not impressed with CF RTW straps as seen on all JLCs.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

Nice - thanks.

What is the order to delivery time?

moo, 5-10 days to make, then however long shipping takes (they use FedEx or some other courier).
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

I know. I assumed it was an obvious exaggeration.

and referring to straps...its a VERY slippery slope. I remember adding up the 20-30 straps i had in a box for my panerais and realizing i could EASILY sell them all and fund a whole watch. shog[1].gif

Panerai with only 20-30 straps? That's like a starter kit.
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Why not Camille Fournet? Do not have the variety of ABP, but I heard the quality is a little better.

Fournet is much, much better quality. My wife has an ABP alligator strap on her Reverso. Within a couple of months, the coloring began chipping off. It's as if the hide was painted, not died. Underneath the color, the hide is kind of a bleached yellow-white. The burgundy alligator strap I have from them on my Portuguese has also had wonky coloring issues. Nothing chipped off, but after a while, the strap turned white at stress points. I've never seen anything like any of this before.

Also, you can tell from when they are new that the hides just aren't as supple or soft as high-end OEM stuff.

Apropos: if you weren't impressed with the CF strap that came with your JLC, I suspect you'll be underwhelmed with ABP.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo View Post

Nice - thanks.

What is the order to delivery time?

depends on how custom you want. id say if its fairly basic with an available hide, 2 weeks-ish?
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Panerai with only 20-30 straps? That's like a starter kit.

quite true. I hosted a couple meet ups here in nashville and was put to shame by a couple guys. unreal. I wouldve easily had more if i wasnt actively buying watches at the same time.
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Speak of the devil, just ordered something from them. Feel a little... numb now at dropping that much $$ on a piece of leather.

I remember buying an ammo strap for almost $500. calf, not exotic. shog[1].gif
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The other odd thing about ABP is that they charge you higher prices if you buy from them in person at their Paris shop. Absurd, actually. We were told it was a customer service surcharge.
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post

JLC uses Camille Fournet and charges a nearly 100% markup for the exact same strap from CF. I hate it when watch companies do stupid things like that.

i dont think its dumb, its part of the package. i think everyone knows that on some level they are paying extra for the brand, above and beyond the timepiece, design and workmanship, when they buy a luxury watch. when you have buckle stamped JLC or Panerai or whatever, you know youre paying more for it, its just the way it is. thats how i view it anyways.
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Whatever it is, it's best avoided by going directly to the source.

Also, straps are different from things like buckles and deployants. The latter are typically branded and proprietary in design. Each high-end maker uses its own unique parts. You simply cannot buy the same thing elsewhere for less. Moreover, you don't have to regularly replace a buckle or deployant.

The mark-up on straps, on the other hand, is a pretty naked play at customers' frivolity and/or ignorance. Once they find out, it's just insulting.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

The other odd thing about ABP is that they charge you higher prices if you buy from them in person at their Paris shop. Absurd, actually. We were told it was a customer service surcharge.

almost 20% IIRC. very absurd. I guess phone and internet are more expensive in paris.
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

i dont think its dumb, its part of the package. i think everyone knows that on some level they are paying extra for the brand, above and beyond the timepiece, design and workmanship, when they buy a luxury watch. when you have buckle stamped JLC or Panerai or whatever, you know youre paying more for it, its just the way it is. thats how i view it anyways.

eh. I disagree. I remember when Panerai came out with their Riva strap...they sold out EVERYWHERE. for like 249 MSRP. They are made by hirsch...and hirsch had the same strap on their site readily available for $65. Then again panerai is kinda the king of overpricing.
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Apropos: if you weren't impressed with the CF strap that came with your JLC, I suspect you'll be underwhelmed with ABP.

Oh, say it isn't so. frown.gif

I guess I'll just hope that the relatively unusual skin I chose will make up for any deficiencies in make to some extent (hint, not halal).

Completely a #firstworldproblem "issue", but I am completely over alligator/croc as a watch strap material. It starts going downhill from day 1, and I've never seen a common leather type that is more storage-sensitive, climate-sensitive, moisture-sensitive, and less save-able-from-regular-wear-and-tear-using-conventional-methods. I mean, a calf or cordovan strap can be patched up somewhat with some conditioner and elbow grease, but with reptile you're SOL, and there is no such thing as nice reptile "patina". The very nature of the hide encourages accelerated wear with its distinct flex points. Just doesn't do anything for me anymore.

I'm going down the #batshitcrazy route from now on... phoque, pangolin, peccary, etc, here I come.
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post

The other odd thing about ABP is that they charge you higher prices if you buy from them in person at their Paris shop. Absurd, actually. We were told it was a customer service surcharge.

How very French of them.
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

I remember buying an ammo strap for almost $500. calf, not exotic. shog[1].gif

mind-blown.gif
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Originally Posted by in stitches View Post

i dont think its dumb, its part of the package. i think everyone knows that on some level they are paying extra for the brand, above and beyond the timepiece, design and workmanship, when they buy a luxury watch. when you have buckle stamped JLC or Panerai or whatever, you know youre paying more for it, its just the way it is. thats how i view it anyways.

The package is dumb!! ffffuuuu.gif
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