There are lined, self-tipped 7-fold ties, an example of which is Carlo Franco's Como line of 7-fold ties. Â The Carlo Franco Campagna 7-fold tie is unlined and untipped. Â The Golden Fleece ties did have a lining. Â Trust me on this. Â The BB four-fold ties are obviously lined, but are never self-tipped.
Banks: I think that CF's como series are a good example of what we are talking about. Â In fact if you look at the site CF
you see the difference between the two groups of ties. His Como Series are a self tipped four fold as is evident from the pictures on his site. Â His Campagna Series are authentic Seven Folds being all of one piece of silk and commanding a premium to the Como series which utilizes less silk. This distinction in what makes a four fold vs an Authentic seven fold was told to me by an Italian Tiemaker. Â That being said, I could be wrong anyway.
and after my Ernest fiasco of today I am not arguing with ANYBODY.
I am posting my original post on the different ties just for review.
Seven Folds: The traditional and original ties were the seven folds... What that means is the tie maker takes a large square of silk and folds it a number of times (7) so that the tie when looked at is actually the same as the ties that most people wear however aside from the stitching whcich holds it together its 100% silk (folded into itself.) Â No lining inside the tie (which on a quality tie is usually 100% wool) , and no backing of a different material (the backing that you see in that litle diamond area from the back of the tip of the tie till where it folds on both ends of the tie). Â Due to the high cost of silks this practice was sort of dropped in favor a much smaller piece of silk and some wool lining to make ties as we know them today. Â
The Five Fold or Four Fold is a play on the seven fold but its actually a lined tie as well. Â What happens though is that because it is in fact lined it has to be closed on both ends (the seven fold is not closed as its just turned in at the edges) and in my opinion the additional silks used with the lining make the tie bulky and a bit unweildy and doesnt allow for any knot thicker than the four in hand. Â Of course the Europeans who favor the thick knots and short ties might just disagree with me there. Â (Note the self tipping on the blue tie as opposed to the tie itself just turned in on the red seven fold) Â