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post #901 of 990
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Originally Posted by snapehead View Post

Hi guys, great thread! I was wondering what brands/models I should be looking at if I'm interested in a more sleek/slim appearance? I noticed Alfred Sargent and Meermin have been mentioned in this respect, but was hoping for any elaboration. Budget is probably up to mid tier. Thanks so much!

You've come to the right place, I think. smile.gif. But one man's sleek is another man's gunboat. For example, I don't particularly find Alfred Sargent to carry shoes that fit my personal definition of "sleek" - but others would find my taste of "sleek" too extreme, bordering on "pointy".
Can you post any pics that would give people an idea of what looks sleek to you (toe shape and welt size, particularly)? It would help to establish a reference point!
post #902 of 990
Cheers, okay, going through the thread these two stand out to me as being 'sleek'. I don't think I've seen a pair in this thread that I've thought are too 'pointy'. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by burgerkong View Post

Pics of my LodinGs that I recently picked up!



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I got these Carmina in the Simpson last on Boxing Day. I had the AE Fifth Avenue but they were not sleek enough. 












post #903 of 990

@snapehead The Simpson last is certainly sleek but not the most comfortable for my feet even after breaking them in; the Inca is more comfortable from the start for me but they don't make a black captoe in that last. In fact it seems like Carmina is only making the black captoe on the Forest last now but on the whole I find their lasts to be on the sleeker side of the spectrum. I saw a pair of G&G Deco shoes on a friend yesterday and actually thought it was too pointy at the toe box for once on a pair of shoes haha.  

post #904 of 990
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Originally Posted by snapehead View Post

Cheers, okay, going through the thread these two stand out to me as being 'sleek'. I don't think I've seen a pair in this thread that I've thought are too 'pointy'. Thanks!

I see. So I'd surmise you have a high threshold for pointiness wink.gif Others may disagree, but from what I've seen then Alfred Sargent wouldn't have a last that is as sharp as those - you'd need to be looking at Continental European makers, I guess (France, Spain, Italy, Hungary). The only English shoemaker I know that does lasts like that is G&G's deco (square or rounded), but I'm pretty confident they wouldn't meet anyone's definition of "mid-tier" when it comes to RTW. smile.gif


On that note, the other thing it would be good to know is this: how broad is your definition of "mid-tier" - is there a price range you're looking at that would help to define it? "Mid" can be extremely broad - a quick peruse of various websites indicates Septieme Largeur and Meermin do sharp shoes for EUR 200+, Carlos Santos for EUR 300+, Carmina for EUR400+, Vass for EUR 500+ - and it goes on.

Hope that helps!
post #905 of 990
Hello, I agree with grc1, what is sleek for someone is chunky for others.

I suggest starting with an "anchor model" i.e. Alfred Sargent Armfield (which is too pointy for me) and look which model is more apealling to your taste, but trying them is a must (styile and comfort), frecuently photgraphs are not informative enough,
post #906 of 990
Very interesting, thanks guys.
The G&G deco I think look great, but probably out of my price range.

I'm thinking now I'll check out the Alfred Sergent Armfield. Does anyone have any AS sizing tips? If I'm 8.5D US in Allen Edmonds park Avenue/strand, and 7.5 UK for Loakes, would that sizing be consistent with AS?
post #907 of 990
Does anyone have any opinions on the 'sleekness'/general appearance of the carmina forest last?
Eg http://www.carminashoemaker.com/mens-oxford-shoes/lace-up-toe-cap-black
Cheers
post #908 of 990
@snapehead No, I would not call the Forest last sleek

Check out the Rain last here;
http://www.skoaktiebolaget.se/collections/carmina/products/carmina-work-wear
post #909 of 990
Ah nice one. I find it hard to tell without a birds eye view - is the rain last sleeker than the forest last?
post #910 of 990
Here you go

post #911 of 990
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I am currently looking at either the JLP or EG oxfords, and cannot decide between the two, so any help appreciated.

Based on this thread I was initially looking at the EG on an 82 last, but since trying it on it just seemed too slim looking on a UK10 and I actually preferred the 202 last in the flesh.

What's the general view on EG 72 v EG 202 v JLP?


Also, I am swaying between leather sole and Dainite, as I would get rubber put on as follows with metal tip, so would it be worth just getting Dainite as it always rains where I live, so seems more practical?





Consider geting the thinner R1 city rubber sole. Look like a leather sole shoe but with the advantages of rubber. I would not go dainite on a dress shoe.
post #912 of 990
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Originally Posted by snapehead View Post

Does anyone have any opinions on the 'sleekness'/general appearance of the carmina forest last?
Eg http://www.carminashoemaker.com/mens-oxford-shoes/lace-up-toe-cap-black
Cheers

I have a suede Balmoral boots on that last.  The cap toe is not sleek at all for me but I did not wanted to pay for MTO.

post #913 of 990
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Originally Posted by snapehead View Post

Very interesting, thanks guys.
The G&G deco I think look great, but probably out of my price range.

I'm thinking now I'll check out the Alfred Sergent Armfield. Does anyone have any AS sizing tips? If I'm 8.5D US in Allen Edmonds park Avenue/strand, and 7.5 UK for Loakes, would that sizing be consistent with AS?

FYI, I own 11 D US in AE Park Ave and 10.5 UK in Loakes Capital, 024 and 026 last. Good luck.
post #914 of 990
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Originally Posted by snapehead View Post

Very interesting, thanks guys.
The G&G deco I think look great, but probably out of my price range.

I use Septieme Largeur in the 199 last as my "deco-lite"understudy. Very sleek at a fraction of the price. May be worth considering.



G&G deco in comparison

post #915 of 990
Hi guys, thanks everyone for your help. I order a pair of AS Armfields in the end. They have arrived and they are very beautiful indeed. I ordered a 7.5F (in AE Park avenues I'm a 8.5D perfect fit) but these feel slightly tight on my pinky toe. What should I do?? Will these loosen up at all? Or should I bite the bullet and pay for return and upsize?
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